Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

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chiwigi

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The longer this close the clearer the data becomes that the people who are dying from this are mostly very old and/ or have significant comorbidity factors (CDC is a great source of data given the volume of infections the us has detected and good record keeping).

The unintended consequences of our singular obsession with corona virus are starting to hit home and I don't believe there will be any question that the death, suffering and hardship we are creating via our response will outweigh by orders of magnitude the deaths we would have prevented.
Nonsense!
 

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Yep, there will be many people with scarring on their lungs that could lead to some serious health issues down the track.

There’s also the issue of people missing out on other health services because of lockdowns, cancellation or surgeries, etc.

For example:

Professor Sikora is of course referencing his remarks to the UK and not to Australia. In the UK the situation is vastly different as with 374,228 positive tests and 46,000 deaths the health system was under considerable stress for some time. At one stage the UK Government had to construct emergency hospitals to deal with the overload. An oncologist in any Australian State with the possible exception of Victoria might have a different opinion.
 

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Fear has always been used to control a population. No more than now. The vast majority of people just get cold like symptoms . We don't hear about them though. Protect the elderly and vulnerable which hasn't been successfully done .
Let the rest of us take the necessary precautions and get on with it. Its not going away. Do we stay locked up forever?
Hasn't been successfully done?
If victoria didn't lockdown we'd have makeshift mourges at albert park like we were briefed about in early March at public hospitals.

Alot of lives have been lost but pales in significance to where we could be.

Other countries don't even have hotel quarantine..

Had we gone down that route we'd all be f’ed.
 

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Professor Sikora is of course referencing his remarks to the UK and not to Australia. In the UK the situation is vastly different as with 374,228 positive tests and 46,000 deaths the health system was under considerable stress for some time. At one stage the UK Government had to construct emergency hospitals to deal with the overload. An oncologist in any Australian State with the possible exception of Victoria might have a different opinion.
Well, there has been a nation wide drop off in people seeking medical care and tests during the pandemic. Victoria called it out the other day but it’s a national phenomenon.

All it takes is one person to put off going to the GP and that’s happening far more frequently now than pre-pandemic.
 

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Fear has always been used to control a population. No more than now. The vast majority of people just get cold like symptoms . We don't hear about them though. Protect the elderly and vulnerable which hasn't been successfully done .
Let the rest of us take the necessary precautions and get on with it. Its not going away. Do we stay locked up forever?
You may be living in fear but over here in SA I am living a pretty normal existence and I do not feel 'locked up'. I go to the pub, sit at the bar, go to the shopping centre without a face mask, go to the footy, in fact I am pretty secure in the fact that SA is COVID free and the person sitting next to me is not infected. That situation does not exist because South Australia did nothing and 'decided to live with it'. Quite the opposite, we locked down, closed borders quarantined essential travellers and are now enjoying the benefits.

Your opinion, like mine, is colored by the State we live in.
 

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You may be living in fear but over here in SA I am living a pretty normal existence and I do not feel 'locked up'. I go to the pub, sit at the bar, go to the shopping centre without a face mask, go to the footy, in fact I am pretty secure in the fact that SA is COVID free and the person sitting next to me is not infected. That situation does not exist because South Australia did nothing and 'decided to live with it'. Quite the opposite, we locked down, closed borders quarantined essential travellers and are now enjoying the benefits.

Your opinion, like mine, is colored by the State we live in.
I get your point. I'm certainly not living in fear. We can do what we want up here too within reason. Victoria stuffed it.
Most other states have handled it pretty well. But elimination will be highly unlikely so we will have to learn to live with it. That's a fact. So many people have had this virus and don't even realise it. Why it barely affects some is the real mystery.
 

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68 days since we've recorded a case in the ACT, bit I still can't go anywhere, being lumped in with NSW. The exception is now SA, but only if I fly. Given Qantas has three flights a week at $1200 a pop, and Virgin is looking at reinstating services "in due course", my initial euphoria about being able to get to one of our finals was premature :(.
 

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Fear has always been used to control a population. No more than now. The vast majority of people just get cold like symptoms . We don't hear about them though. Protect the elderly and vulnerable which hasn't been successfully done .
Let the rest of us take the necessary precautions and get on with it. Its not going away. Do we stay locked up forever?
No we don’t stay locked up forever but in the coming months we have to live a little differently, follow some advice.
Life feels pretty normal in South Australia.
We aren’t living in fear, just being sensible.
A lot of the ones who are really living in fear are those that fear this is a government or other nefarious people plot to control them and remove their civil liberties permanently.

Protecting the elderly is easier said than done with health care workers from the general community working in them.
It is a difficult situation for governments.
 

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68 days since we've recorded a case in the ACT, bit I still can't go anywhere, being lumped in with NSW. The exception is now SA, but only if I fly. Given Qantas has three flights a week at $1200 a pop, and Virgin is looking at reinstating services "in due course", my initial euphoria about being able to get to one of our finals was premature :(.
At least you've got the option. If I go from Tassie, with no cases, to SA, with no cases, that's fine. But when I want to come back I get the privilege of two weeks in a hotel at my own expense.
 

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At least you've got the option. If I go from Tassie, with no cases, to SA, with no cases, that's fine. But when I want to come back I get the privilege of two weeks in a hotel at my own expense.
You have my sympathy. South Australia has possibly handled the situation better than most others. I cannot see why SA can have two way border travel with all States except Victoria and NSW yet still record close to zero local cases while other States see a need to quarantine everyone coming in. Is the South Australian contact tracing superior to other States or is it just the fear that Victorians will somehow filter through?

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If South Australia, which has a common border with Victoria and NSW can do the above why not WA and Tassie?

The Federation system worked well during the shut down phase when all the leaders put politics aside and were on the same page. The opening up phase has not worked nearly as well with each State doing it's own thing and the Federal Government powerless to stop them.

It has reached the stage where border closures except Victoria have to be relaxed. There is no reason that two way travel between SA, WA, Tas, NT, ACT and Queensland should require quarantine.
 

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You have my sympathy. South Australia has possibly handled the situation better than most others. I cannot see why SA can have two way border travel with all States except Victoria and NSW yet still record close to zero local cases while other States see a need to quarantine everyone coming in. Is the South Australian contact tracing superior to other States or is it just the fear that Victorians will somehow filter through?

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If South Australia, which has a common border with Victoria and NSW can do the above why not WA and Tassie?

The Federation system worked well during the shut down phase when all the leaders put politics aside and were on the same page. The opening up phase has not worked nearly as well with each State doing it's own thing and the Federal Government powerless to stop them.

It has reached the stage where border closures except Victoria have to be relaxed. There is no reason that two way travel between SA, WA, Tas, NT, ACT and Queensland should require quarantine.
The argument from the premier here is SA's "porous" border with Vic. Never mind the fact that it hasn't actually resulted in cases.
 
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The Victorian Opposition has launched a bid to kick Premier Daniel Andrews out of office over his handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien will introduce a motion of no confidence in Mr Andrews in parliament on Thursday.
The motion will be tabled on Thursday with the vote to be put to Lower House MPs next month.
Mr O’Brien said the Premier had lost the support of Victorians.
 

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If South Australia, which has a common border with Victoria and NSW can do the above why not WA and Tassie?
Tasmania I'm not sure, WA are being pricks about borders to safe areas as an election is due in the next 6 months. There's been zero community transmissions from the handful of Victorians that have snuck into SA, so there's no need to lock out SA / WA travel. I mean open the border to SA and they can still check licenses / other documentation of those coming in to further make it almost impossible for Victorians to sneak through all of SA and into WA.
 

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This Sikora chap is on the money, shame he’s no longer at the WHO.

There are no perfect right or wrong answers. Its always a balance call.

Different measures produced different economic results and same measures produced different economic results across nations.

NZ announced their 2nd quarter GDP number today. That's why no NZ 2nd quarter figures in graphs below.

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Largest quarterly fall in New Zealand economy on record
Economic activity, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP), was down 12.2 percent in the June 2020 quarter. This is the largest quarterly decline in GDP on record. On an annual basis, GDP declined 2.0 percent over the year ended June 2020.


Here are some other OECD nation's, and a few others 2nd Quarter figures. To the right of Oz's -7.0% is Indonesia -6.9%, G20 -6.9%, Russia -3.2% and South Korea -3.2%


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India, UK, Mexico, SAF, France, Italy, Euro 19, Can, Turk, OECD, Braz, Ger, USA, Jap, Aus, G20, IDN Rus SKor

Euro 19 = The euro area (also known as the eurozone) consists of 19 countries that use the Euro: Belgium, Germany, Ireland, Spain, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Finland, Greece, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.



25 of the other 26 nations in the OECD (NZ 2nd quarter figures not graphed yet) + Argentina, China, Euro 19, OECD Euro, OECD average and G7


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OneGreatClub

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There are no perfect right or wrong answers. Its always a balance call.

Different measures produced different economic results and same measures produced different economic results across nations.

NZ announced their 2nd quarter GDP number today. That's why no NZ 2nd quarter figures in graphs below.

.

Largest quarterly fall in New Zealand economy on record
Economic activity, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP), was down 12.2 percent in the June 2020 quarter. This is the largest quarterly decline in GDP on record. On an annual basis, GDP declined 2.0 percent over the year ended June 2020.


Here are some other OECD nation's, and a few others 2nd Quarter figures. To the right of Oz's -7.0% is Indonesia -6.9%, G20 -6.9%, Russia -3.2% and South Korea -3.2%


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India, UK, Mexico, SAF, France, Italy, Euro 19, Can, Turk, OECD, Braz, Ger, USA, Jap, Aus, G20, IDN Rus SKor

Euro 19 = The euro area (also known as the eurozone) consists of 19 countries that use the Euro: Belgium, Germany, Ireland, Spain, France, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Finland, Greece, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta, Slovakia, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.



25 of the other 26 nations in the OECD (NZ 2nd quarter figures not graphed yet) + Argentina, China, Euro 19, OECD Euro, OECD average and G7


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The world as we know it is in rainbow coloured freefall
 

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