Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

[PA88]

isn’t the Holdens site free?

I heard it's being used for building specialty vehicles. Brabham?

 

[raptalia]

Well done to the people of WA. Nobody wants or likes lock downs but if you are going to have one it is best to do it properly and keep it to a minimum.

Strong support for hard lockdown as West Australians embrace COVID restrictions

Perth's normally bustling streets are transformed into sparsely populated wastelands as the five-day COVID-19 lockdown gets underway, with cafes and shopping centres deserted and parents juggling work and child care.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Steve Dore]

I heard it's being used for building specialty vehicles. Brabham?

It is also hardly isolated.

It is very handy to the Lyell Mac and the Lisbeth Cena though.

 

[raptalia]

isn’t the Holdens site free?

The former GMH site was bought by Melbourne developer Pelligra and is now the Lionsgate Manufacturing Park.

 

[Chewy316]

Its almost like they want to keep people who have a high likelihood of being sick near medical facilities that have the resources to treat them...

Thats the excuse. The reality is that these "sick" people aren't suddenly fine one minute, to needing a ventilator in an hour or two. In fact, the number of people needing a ventilator in the last 6 months has been close to 0.

No reason not to have the quarantine facilities in the middle of no where considering patients can be airlifted to suburbia when absolutely necessary.

 

[Pappagallo]

Thats the excuse. The reality is that these "sick" people aren't suddenly fine one minute, to needing a ventilator in an hour or two. In fact, the number of people needing a ventilator in the last 6 months has been close to 0.

No reason not to have the quarantine facilities in the middle of no where considering patients can be airlifted to suburbia when absolutely necessary.

Crazy idea but they could have a medical practitioner and perhaps even one of those ventilators on stand-by.

 

[TeeKray]

Its almost like they want to keep people who have a high likelihood of being sick near medical facilities that have the resources to treat them...

Simple solution - those in low risk categories (which would be 95%) are dealt with remotely, those in high risk categories are permitted to quarantine in the city.

 

[malcheski]

Well done to the people of WA. Nobody wants or likes lock downs but if you are going to have one it is best to do it properly and keep it to a minimum.

Strong support for hard lockdown as West Australians embrace COVID restrictions

Perth's normally bustling streets are transformed into sparsely populated wastelands as the five-day COVID-19 lockdown gets underway, with cafes and shopping centres deserted and parents juggling work and child care.

www.abc.net.au

Just looks like Perth normally on a Sunday afternoon, I cant tell the difference.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

No reason not to have the quarantine facilities in the middle of no where considering patients can be airlifted to suburbia when absolutely necessary.

Ah cool, so our medical resources that are currently stretched when it comes to supplying services to remote areas now need to additionally be ferrying around people that suffering from a highly infectious disease?

Nevermind, if our medical transports are even capable of the quarantine requirements, or do you just want to infect the nurses and doctors that need to travel on the transports.

Crazy idea but they could have a medical practitioner and perhaps even one of those ventilators on stand-by.

Sure, we'll just pop a medical practitioner out at a remote facility, because regional hospitals and medical facilities currently find it so easy to recruit staff... I'm sure it'll be really simple to get one to staff a remote quarantine facility.

Simple solution - those in low risk categories (which would be 95%) are dealt with remotely, those in high risk categories are permitted to quarantine in the city.

So two facilities, which means you need twice as much resources. Double the numbers of staff and thus even more chances of a leak...

 

[TeeKray]

So two facilities, which means you need twice as much resources. Double the numbers of staff and thus even more chances of a leak...

What lol? You realise all returned travellers don't stay in the same hotel? There's already shitloads of staff engaged in this whole excercise.

 

[Pappagallo]

Sure, we'll just pop a medical practitioner out at a remote facility, because region hospitals and medical facilities currently find it so easy to recruit staff... I'm sure it'll be really simple to get one to staff a remote quarantine facility.

Not all doctors work in North Adelaide ffs. Ever heard of the army? What do you reckon happens when our soldiers get shot in a foreign desert? What about the research scientists in Antarctica? Do you think they get the plumber to perform emergency surgery?

If we can get doctors into war zones and the harshest environments on the planet I’m sure we could convince a couple to station a quarantine facility a few hours from town.

 

[TeeKray]

Just a friendly reminder that because 1 person has a virus, the state government has made it illegal for me to run my business indefinitely (I'm doing it anyway).

I want to move to Sydney so I can be governed by someone with a brain.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Not all doctors work in North Adelaide ffs. Ever heard of the army? What do you reckon happens when our soldiers get shot in a foreign desert? What about the research scientists in Antarctica? Do you think they get the plumber to perform emergency surgery?

They get treated by other members of the army. So how are they going to get treated if you've decided to move the armed forces medical staff away to look after quaratine zones?

What about the research scientists in Antarctica?

The research stations in Antarctica that require people to go through extensive medical checks to even be allowed to get down there, because of the extremely limited medical capabilities.

If we can get doctors into war zones and the harshest environments on the planet I’m sure we could convince a couple to station a quarantine facility a few hours from town.

I mean sure, then we should have no problems getting doctors to work in country towns right? I mean there hospitals should all be well equipped and they shouldn't need to transport large amounts of patients to facilities in major cities for treatment.

Yes, there are doctors that are willing to work in remote/regional locations. Generally, they already are. So when you create new regional/remote working requirements, you're drawing on the same limited staffing pool. So you just end up taking resources from some other regional area.

 

[Pappagallo]

They get treated by other members of the army. So how are they going to get treated if you've decided to move the armed forces medical staff away to look after quaratine zones?


The research stations in Antarctica that require people to go through extensive medical checks to even be allowed to get down there, because of the extremely limited medical capabilities.


I mean sure, then we should have no problems getting doctors to work in country towns right? I mean there hospitals should all be well equipped and they shouldn't need to transport large amounts of patients to facilities in major cities for treatment.

Yes, there are doctors that are willing to work in remote/regional locations. Generally, they already are. So when you create new regional/remote working requirements, you're drawing on the same limited staffing pool. So you just end up taking resources from some other regional area.

Maybe we could convince a couple more to participate in what is likely the most significant public health emergency in their lifetime. Maybe we could have them on rotation instead, so metro doctors do a few weeks and then get replaced.

We’re not staffing a new hospital. You just need a small amount of resources for emergency cases, of which we already know there will be very few. It really isn’t as impossible as you’re making it out to be.

 

[raptalia]

Just a friendly reminder that because 1 person has a virus, the state government has made it illegal for me to run my business indefinitely (I'm doing it anyway).

I want to move to Sydney so I can be governed by someone with a brain.

Careful what you wish for. McGovern has over reacted with his border closures in the past but the WA record is pretty good. One case in 10 months suggests the WA Government has got some things right. I do not enjoy lock downs but with the current quarantine system we will have to live with them.

We need to remember the virus detected in Perth is the Kent or UK variant. The very latest on the UK variant.

Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief scientific adviser,suggested the Kent variant might increase the case fatality rate (CFR) by 30 percent. To put this in context, he said that out of 1,000 men in their 60s infected with the old variant, 10 would be expected to die, compared to 13 with the new variant. Scientists don't know why, but they think some of the behaviours that make this variant more easy to transmit, by up to 70 per cent, may also make it more lethal. Key among them is the stickiness of the mutation and the way it gets into cells and replicates.

The game has changed and while it may only be one person in Perth at this stage it could easily be many more very quickly. Berejiklian and Hazzard have been lucky thus far. If they get another cluster like the Avalon cluster and it turns out to be the UK or South African variant they could be in real trouble if they do not follow McGovern's lead shut down all of Sydney. A 70% increased transmission rate and a higher mortalitiy rate is not something to treat with piece meal lock downs.

Covid-19 variants: Is the South Africa variant more deadly, and will Pfizer and Astrazeneca vaccines work?

There are three new coronavirus 'variants of concern'. Here our Global Health Security team examine what that means

www.telegraph.co.uk

Those people with brains were responsible for this...

If the Ruby Princess had never docked the COVID-19 pandemic would have looked like this

The Ruby Princess leaves Australian waters today over a month after docking in Sydney. About one in 10 cases of coronavirus in Australia is linked to the cruise ship.

www.abc.net.au

At least you people in the West know where the quarantine leak came from. Those people with all the brains and the gold standard tracking system are still trying to find patient X and how the infection escaped hotel quarantine.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Careful what you wish for. McGovern has over reacted with his border closures in the past but the WA record is pretty good. One case in 10 months suggests the WA Government has got some things right. I do not enjoy lock downs but with the current quarantine system we will have to live with them.

We need to remember the virus detected in Perth is the Kent or UK variant. The very latest on the UK variant.

Sir Patrick Vallance, the chief scientific adviser,suggested the Kent variant might increase the case fatality rate (CFR) by 30 percent. To put this in context, he said that out of 1,000 men in their 60s infected with the old variant, 10 would be expected to die, compared to 13 with the new variant. Scientists don't know why, but they think some of the behaviours that make this variant more easy to transmit, by up to 70 per cent, may also make it more lethal. Key among them is the stickiness of the mutation and the way it gets into cells and replicates.

The game has changed and while it may only be one person in Perth at this stage it could easily be many more very quickly. Berejiklian and Hazzard have been lucky thus far. If they get another cluster like the Avalon cluster and it turns out to be the UK or South African variant they could be in real trouble if they do not follow McGovern's lead shut down all of Sydney. A 70% increased transmission rate and a higher mortalitiy rate is not something to treat with piece meal lock downs.

Covid-19 variants: Is the South Africa variant more deadly, and will Pfizer and Astrazeneca vaccines work?

There are three new coronavirus 'variants of concern'. Here our Global Health Security team examine what that means

www.telegraph.co.uk

Those people with brains were responsible for this...

If the Ruby Princess had never docked the COVID-19 pandemic would have looked like this

The Ruby Princess leaves Australian waters today over a month after docking in Sydney. About one in 10 cases of coronavirus in Australia is linked to the cruise ship.

www.abc.net.au

At least you people in the West know where the quarantine leak came from. Those people with all the brains and the gold standard tracking system are still trying to find patient X and how the infection escaped hotel quarantine.

And there is Ronatalia’s agenda. NSW couldn’t possibly have done a good job because they have a conservative government

 

[backtozero]

I do not enjoy lock downs but..

You might not like them, even find them an inconvenience, but you replied to someone who has had their livelihood impacted by it.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

You might not like them, even find them an inconvenience, but you replied to someone who has had their livelihood impacted by it.

No one outside Victoria knows what a real lockdown is.

 

[FishingRick04]

No one outside Victoria knows what a real lockdown is.

New York?

 

[MaxPowa]

Ah cool, so our medical resources that are currently stretched when it comes to supplying services to remote areas now need to additionally be ferrying around people that suffering from a highly infectious disease?

Nevermind, if our medical transports are even capable of the quarantine requirements, or do you just want to infect the nurses and doctors that need to travel on the transports.


Sure, we'll just pop a medical practitioner out at a remote facility, because regional hospitals and medical facilities currently find it so easy to recruit staff... I'm sure it'll be really simple to get one to staff a remote quarantine facility.


So two facilities, which means you need twice as much resources. Double the numbers of staff and thus even more chances of a leak...

Given how much the lockdowns have cost (easily $10b plus directly plus whatever indirect economic costs would have been) we could have build a whole new regional city with the best facilities imaginable. Penny pinching and minor logistical inconveniences are no barrier when that kind of money is involved. Just look at the mining operations in the Pilbara and other remote area of Australia. The skills, personnel and experience are all there to run high level high quality and secure remote quarantine, no reason it can't be done.

 

[backtozero]

No one outside Victoria knows what a real lockdown is.

Depends if you're able to make a living working from home or not.

 

[PAFC66]

You might not like them, even find them an inconvenience, but you replied to someone who has had their livelihood impacted by it.

We've all had out livelihoods impacted by this. Thankfully our government is providing incentives to temporarily stay home while we deal with it.. most parts of the world they're not. The facts are economically countries who have locked down have faired better than countries who haven't during this.

 

[pastmyprimus]

Maybe we could convince a couple more to participate in what is likely the most significant public health emergency in their lifetime. Maybe we could have them on rotation instead, so metro doctors do a few weeks and then get replaced.

We’re not staffing a new hospital. You just need a small amount of resources for emergency cases, of which we already know there will be very few. It really isn’t as impossible as you’re making it out to be.

I think what you're proposing would work. Patients from regional/remote areas get transported to metro hospitals all the time. Specialists from metro hospitals visit regional/remote areas to provide services all the time.

And with the small numbers in quarantine who need medical care, the above arranagements would work.

 

[backtozero]

We've all had out livelihoods impacted buy it.

Aren't you an essential worker?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

New York?

Was just talking about our little island Ricardo