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Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.
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Victoria is now isolated from the rest of Australia. That is sad to see and not something anyone should want but unfortunately it is necessary.
The grim news from Victoria's CMO is that he does not think the current outbreak has peaked.
The grim news from Victoria's CMO is that he does not think the current outbreak has peaked.
We do need to keep some perspective that while it sucks, individual US states are recording daily increases that are 50-100x higher than what Victoria has been having.
Hopefully after a couple of weeks lockdown the number of new positives are heading back towards single figures
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After the Melbourne experience the coming debate in Australia has to be elimination v suppression. Scott Morrison has always advocated suppression in order to get the economy up and running. What is happening in Victoria suggests that eliminating the virus as as happened in many Australian States and Territories and across the Tasman in New Zealand is the way to go if you do not want a stop start economy. Suppression is a quick fix but while there is infection in the community there is the chance of a flare up and further shut downs as we are seeing in Melbourne.
Early in June Victoria had just 21 cases in a week and many of those were returning travellers, the Cedar Meatworks cluster was under control and for a week between the 6th and 12th of June the entire nation was returning single digit new infection numbers. Then the s**t hit the fan and now Melbourne is back in lockdown at an estimated cost of 1 billion per week.
Elimination can be achieved, Australia was so close but it needs the Federal Government to set that as it's goal not take the easy path and settle on a suppression strategy that is never going to work.
Elimination is a national issue and what happens internationally is a different question and one over which Australia has no control. We cannot control what happens in places like the US and Europe all we can do is eliminate the virus in Australia, form travel bubbles with low risk nations, maintain tight border control for high risk nations and wait for a vaccine.
July in Victoria has clearly shown the dangers of relying on suppression as a strategy.
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Early in June Victoria had just 21 cases in a week and many of those were returning travellers, the Cedar Meatworks cluster was under control and for a week between the 6th and 12th of June the entire nation was returning single digit new infection numbers. Then the s**t hit the fan and now Melbourne is back in lockdown at an estimated cost of 1 billion per week.
Elimination can be achieved, Australia was so close but it needs the Federal Government to set that as it's goal not take the easy path and settle on a suppression strategy that is never going to work.
Elimination is a national issue and what happens internationally is a different question and one over which Australia has no control. We cannot control what happens in places like the US and Europe all we can do is eliminate the virus in Australia, form travel bubbles with low risk nations, maintain tight border control for high risk nations and wait for a vaccine.
July in Victoria has clearly shown the dangers of relying on suppression as a strategy.
Victoria's lockdown will cost $6b — and it brings our whole strategy into question
This second wave of the coronavirus that's hit Victoria will test whether the strong public support we've seen for Australian leaders during COVID will hold, writes Michelle Grattan.
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Speaking to a medical person last night and this 6 week lockdown will definately help but may not be enough.
New Zealand with a population of 5mill same as greater melbourne went into full lockdown on March 24th. At the time of lockdown they had fewer active cases than Vic and a lot lower daily infections. It wasn't until may 11 Arden started easing restrictions to what Vic are currently doing.
The suggestion was that for Vic to get to sa or new zealand stage of covid virtually 0 they would need a solid 3 month lockdown with half of that time being full lockdown
I fear the vics will still be dealing with this come Xmas.
New Zealand with a population of 5mill same as greater melbourne went into full lockdown on March 24th. At the time of lockdown they had fewer active cases than Vic and a lot lower daily infections. It wasn't until may 11 Arden started easing restrictions to what Vic are currently doing.
The suggestion was that for Vic to get to sa or new zealand stage of covid virtually 0 they would need a solid 3 month lockdown with half of that time being full lockdown
I fear the vics will still be dealing with this come Xmas.
Elimination is not possible unless you want to remain isolated from the rest of the world indefinitely. With 12 million confirmed cases worldwide, which probably means 100-200 million actual cases, the genie is well and truly out of the bottle.After the Melbourne experience the coming debate in Australia has to be elimination v suppression. Scott Morrison has always advocated suppression in order to get the economy up and running. What is happening in Victoria suggests that eliminating the virus as as happened in many Australian States and Territories and across the Tasman in New Zealand is the way to go if you do not want a stop start economy. Suppression is a quick fix but while there is infection in the community there is the chance of a flare up and further shut downs as we are seeing in Melbourne.
Early in June Victoria had just 21 cases in a week and many of those were returning travellers, the Cedar Meatworks cluster was under control and for a week between the 6th and 12th of June the entire nation was returning single digit new infection numbers. Then the sh*t hit the fan and now Melbourne is back in lockdown at an estimated cost of 1 billion per week.
Elimination can be achieved, Australia was so close but it needs the Federal Government to set that as it's goal not take the easy path and settle on a suppression strategy that is never going to work.
Elimination is a national issue and what happens internationally is a different question and one over which Australia has no control. We cannot control what happens in places like the US and Europe all we can do is eliminate the virus in Australia, form travel bubbles with low risk nations, maintain tight border control for high risk nations and wait for a vaccine.
July in Victoria has clearly shown the dangers of relying on suppression as a strategy.
Victoria's lockdown will cost $6b — and it brings our whole strategy into question
This second wave of the coronavirus that's hit Victoria will test whether the strong public support we've seen for Australian leaders during COVID will hold, writes Michelle Grattan.
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This has nothing to do with international borders. It is about the strategy that Australia employs within it's borders. Elimination is possible in fact Australia was close to it and almost there. Unless we want a stop start economy and more of what is happening in Victoria we have to eliminate the virus from within our borders.
The genie may be out of the bottle but that does not mean we cannot protect ourselves.
Here in NZ while it's widely hailed as a success story in terms of 'elimination', there have been so many idiotic decisions and selfish assholes breaching conditions of re-entry it will be at least partially lucky if there isn't at least a few small outbreaks post-elimination... and NZ is 100 times easier to manage those outbreaks than Melbourne would be. To give a few examples (and remember these are just the ones we hear about):
A returning NZer from Aus climbed over a security wall in a hotel in central Auckland and went off the map for over an hour. Tested negative.
Two sisters returning from England bargained their way in to a "compassionate exemption" from their stay in an Auckland hotel to drive to Wellington. They claimed they did the whole thing with no stops (physically impossible in most cars), then as more of their lies were unravelled it was found they also went in to Auckland city and hugged and kissed family members while 'asking for directions' (because they "got lost" and accidentally headed North instead of South - which is basically impossible unless someone was literally blind), and then ended up in Waharoa "on the way" to Wellington... to give an example of how ridiculous this lie is, it would be like driving from Adelaide to Melbourne and just stopping off in Naracoorte "on the way". Both tested positive.
A man returning from India a few days ago snuck out through a whole in a security fence and went to a central Auckland supermarket which has now been shut down for full disinfecting. His story is also complete bullshit and doesn't add up - leaving around 40 minutes of totally unaccounted for time in Auckland CBD. Tested positive.
I think the elimination strategy is a good one, but you sacrifice a lot to achieve it, and it is very difficult to maintain post-elimination. You have to be really careful not to underestimate the capacity for utter idiocy and selfishness in people.
A returning NZer from Aus climbed over a security wall in a hotel in central Auckland and went off the map for over an hour. Tested negative.
Two sisters returning from England bargained their way in to a "compassionate exemption" from their stay in an Auckland hotel to drive to Wellington. They claimed they did the whole thing with no stops (physically impossible in most cars), then as more of their lies were unravelled it was found they also went in to Auckland city and hugged and kissed family members while 'asking for directions' (because they "got lost" and accidentally headed North instead of South - which is basically impossible unless someone was literally blind), and then ended up in Waharoa "on the way" to Wellington... to give an example of how ridiculous this lie is, it would be like driving from Adelaide to Melbourne and just stopping off in Naracoorte "on the way". Both tested positive.
A man returning from India a few days ago snuck out through a whole in a security fence and went to a central Auckland supermarket which has now been shut down for full disinfecting. His story is also complete bullshit and doesn't add up - leaving around 40 minutes of totally unaccounted for time in Auckland CBD. Tested positive.
I think the elimination strategy is a good one, but you sacrifice a lot to achieve it, and it is very difficult to maintain post-elimination. You have to be really careful not to underestimate the capacity for utter idiocy and selfishness in people.
So we can open up our borders and still eliminate the virus from our shores?
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No, we need to change our strategy read the link I provided. People can still come to Australia but they will have to quarantine until a vaccine is found. The world has changed and unless one of the 19 trials that are currently being conducted finds a vaccine we have to live with the change.
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Yes eliminating the virus from within does not mean you are not susceptible to the stupidity of individuals. Individuals not following the rules is what got Victoria to the where it is. At least two of the Melbourne clusters are now linked and it gets back to one staff member at a College reporting for work while showing symptoms. Over 100 students were infected and some of those stuents live in the those tower blocks in Flemington and North Melbourne. One party, one infected person and over 200 people infected across Melbourne.
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Man arrested after cutting through fence to escape Hamilton isolation facility
A who has twice tested negative for Covid-19 is believed to have cut through a 1.8m fence at a Hamilton isolation hotel to go to a liquor store.
Speak of the devil, honestly a ******** like this should get 10 years in jail but will probably get off with a fine.
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Did some quick sums.
Australia: 9000 cases in a population of 25 million = 360 cases per million
United States: 3.2 million cases in a population of 326 million = 9800 cases per million
So on a per capita basis the US has had 27 x more cases.
Australia: 9000 cases in a population of 25 million = 360 cases per million
United States: 3.2 million cases in a population of 326 million = 9800 cases per million
So on a per capita basis the US has had 27 x more cases.
They'd be much more. Testing per million is better here, so it's more likely they are closer to 100x per capita.
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I wonder how travel will change for those that don’t want to Vaccinate?
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If the majority of the population is vaccinated and has immunity but a minority of civil libertarians are not it is probably not going to worry those of us who get the jab. It is like measles, anyone who does not want to immunise against it runs the risk of contracting the disease and from then on they are on their own. Their choice their problem.
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A US marine has tested positive in the Northern territory.
The overlap between anti-vaxxers and people who believe in unicorns is quite high so by Hogwarts express I imagine.
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Morrison has announced international travellers to be capped and halved on current amounts to 4,000 a week. Obviously states have asked for limit if Victoria have stopped international flights and spreading the hotel quaranting to about 8,000 - 10,000 at any one time across the country. People will have to pay for manadotory hotel quarantine.
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Prime Minister Scott Morrison says inbound flights to Australia will be cut by half and returned travellers will be required to pay for mandatory hotel quarantine in a bid to contain the spread of coronavirus.
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26mminutes ago By Dannielle Maguire
National review of hotel quarantine
The issue of hotel quarantine has been contentious in Victoria, with an inquiry looking into that system at the moment. Mr Morrison said there would be also be a national review:
28mminutes ago By Dannielle Maguire
International arrivals halved
The National Cabinet meeting focused on the issue of international arrivals in Australia. Here's what Mr Morrison said on that:
'No hugs, no handshakes' as PM rams social-distancing messaging home
As Victoria sees a record spike in COVID-19 cases and authorities scramble to deal with a possible outbreak at a Sydney pub, the PM asks Australians not to let their guard down this weekend.
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26mminutes ago By Dannielle Maguire
National review of hotel quarantine
The issue of hotel quarantine has been contentious in Victoria, with an inquiry looking into that system at the moment. Mr Morrison said there would be also be a national review:
28mminutes ago By Dannielle Maguire
International arrivals halved
The National Cabinet meeting focused on the issue of international arrivals in Australia. Here's what Mr Morrison said on that:
288 cases. Not good over there...
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