Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 2.

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raptalia

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Wow, NSW gov throwing caution to the wind...state will be allowing reopening of pokies and 500 people per venue.
It works out at about 50 patrons per restaurant, cafe etc. Some of these clubs are pretty big and have multiple bars and restaurants. They can also open gaming rooms from Monday.


The irony is the best performing State is the last to ease the COVID-19 restrictions and those who are slow to make decisions are the same people who allow infected people into the State.
 
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Spoke to someone from the office of my local rep (Labor) today - they were doing a ring around to gauge public perceptions of the restrictions and the government's handling of it. I basically said we need to know what the aim is - we were told to shut things down so we didn't overwhelm the healthcare system but now we're seemingly aiming for zero or near zero cases. I also mentioned that we need some idea on interstate travel as there doesn't appear to be any plan about when the borders will re-open.
 

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Spoke to someone from the office of my local rep (Labor) today - they were doing a ring around to gauge public perceptions of the restrictions and the government's handling of it. I basically said we need to know what the aim is - we were told to shut things down so we didn't overwhelm the healthcare system but now we're seemingly aiming for zero or near zero cases. I also mentioned that we need some idea on interstate travel as there doesn't appear to be any plan about when the borders will re-open.
Borders will open when our health advisers think it wont lead to an outbreak
 

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It works out at about 50 patrons per restaurant, cafe etc. Some of these clubs are pretty big and have multiple bars and restaurants. They can also open gaming rooms from Monday.


The irony is the best performing State is the last to ease the COVID-19 restrictions and those who are slow to make decisions are the same people who allow infected people into the State.
I wonder if NSW just realise they won’t get to zero new cases so are saying what the hell. But then they want us to open our borders.
 

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I wonder if NSW just realise they won’t get to zero new cases so are saying what the hell. But then they want us to open our borders.
Glad the Impaler drinks pokies revenue and tourism revenue, so she demands both. I wonder if every second machine will be switched off for "distancing". Horrible %^*&ing things.

Contact tracing after the fact is hard, NSW and Vic will be playing whack-a-mole for some time. Meanwhile WANTS (nice acronym, that) appear to have eliminated transmission with QLD possibly one fly-in/fly-out mining town case away from joining club QWANTS.

SA border should stay shut to the east. And QLD needs to maintain a demilitarized zone against northern NSW, where there are known clusters of folks with bad attitudes towards Western medicine and personal hygeine ;)
 

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It works out at about 50 patrons per restaurant, cafe etc. Some of these clubs are pretty big and have multiple bars and restaurants. They can also open gaming rooms from Monday.


The irony is the best performing State is the last to ease the COVID-19 restrictions and those who are slow to make decisions are the same people who allow infected people into the State.
Or how about, the States that made the worst decisions in handling and containing the virus are now continuing to make the worst decisions when it comes to loosening restrictions.
 

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I wonder if NSW just realise they won’t get to zero new cases so are saying what the hell. But then they want us to open our borders.
All the noise about opening borders seems to be coming out of NSW and it seems to be aimed at Queensland.
Or how about, the States that made the worst decisions in handling and containing the virus are now continuing to make the worst decisions when it comes to loosening restrictions.
We probably will not know that until a month's time. If there are no spikes in NSW then I will concede that Gladys has done better than I have given her credit for. This possible spike is the main reason why I do not think the borders with NSW should be opened at this stage. The other issue is Victoria where the infection rate is still a concern. As the Victoria/ NSW border is open other states have to be wary about opening the NSW border. Queensland and SA would be wise to wait and see.

I reckon the next month will tell us a lot.
 

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The cavalier attitude in NSW bothers me, as the ACT is basically free of current infection, like SA. Unlike you, we can't keep them out. Opening poker machine venues would seem to me to be a long way down the list of recovery actions. Hopefully we don't follow suit here, but I can see the local pub/club lobby trying to justify it based on potential leakage of business to Queanbeyan.
 

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All the noise about opening borders seems to be coming out of NSW and it seems to be aimed at Queensland.


We probably will not know that until a month's time. If there are no spikes in NSW then I will concede that Gladys has done better than I have given her credit for. This possible spike is the main reason why I do not think the borders with NSW should be opened at this stage. The other issue is Victoria where the infection rate is still a concern. As the Victoria/ NSW border is open other states have to be wary about opening the NSW border. Queensland and SA would be wise to wait and see.

I reckon the next month will tell us a lot.
You mention here about a possible spike in infections...no matter when the borders open, that possibility is going to remain. Even if you get to zero, there are plenty of asymptomatic carriers.

Given the population of NSW, they're in single digits every day, with a large majority still from overseas travellers. What exactly would you be wanting to wait for in order for the borders to open in that case?

Eradication is impossible unless you keep the borders shut until the end of the year. And if you do that, you're going to end up with more people dying from the economic crisis than the bloody virus in the first place.
 

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Last night read the story on ABC website that NZ are down to 1 active case. Last time I looked up they are back to level 2 restrictions and would be reviewing going back to level 1 restrictions on 22nd June ie gatherings of up to 500 people, but there is pressure to go to level 1 in the next week or two.

Decided to look at which countries have low number of active cases. Cut and paste from worldometers the nations and territories with at least 100 total cases and less than 50 active cases, and no surprise its dominated by small population (and area) island nations. Taiwan is the stand out being next to China would have had a lot of travellers from China and lead up to shutting the borders late January. Countries highlighted in light brown aren't island nations or territories.

These island nations that have a natural way to close down borders will face the pressure of when to open them up to the rest of the world for more normal travel arrangements. You still have 10 nations in Pacific with no cases ie Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, Samoa, Kiribati, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Tonga, Palau, Tuvalu and Nauru, as well as several territories in the Pacific. PNG had 8 cases and 8 recoveries, French Polynesia ie Tahiti 60 and 60, Fiji 18 and 15 and New Caledonia 19 and 18. None of them have recorded deaths.



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You mention here about a possible spike in infections...no matter when the borders open, that possibility is going to remain. Even if you get to zero, there are plenty of asymptomatic carriers.
I would dispute that claim. South Australia has only had two cases in 37 days and both of those were imported from overseas. If there are asymptomatic cases out there you would expect a much higher local transference rate then zero. I think eradication within South Australia is entirely possible and we may have already achieved it. We will not know for several weeks.
 

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I would dispute that claim. South Australia has only had two cases in 37 days and both of those were imported from overseas. If there are asymptomatic cases out there you would expect a much higher local transference rate then zero. I think eradication within South Australia is entirely possible and we may have already achieved it. We will not know for several weeks.
Ok, so let's say it has been eliminated. What do you do then? Are you an advocate of keeping the state border shut waiting 12 months for a potential vaccine that may not come, or for a treatment that may not come?

Business and trade is dying because of the restrictions. I understand the health crisis, but the economic crisis if not managed properly, actually leads to more death than the virus itself.

So I ask again: what will it take for you to believe that the borders should be reopened?
 

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Nominating this for most sh*t headline of the year.
Coronavirus Australia: Some states’ may have been too successful in combating virus

I say build a bloody wall around Vic and NSW and wait for them to get under 10 cases per million.
Looking at that diagram one thing is bleedingly obvious - CLOSING THE BORDERS WORKED.

Had a gutful of Murdoch media.
They even talk about herd immunity in that article.

Ok, so let's say it has been eliminated. What do you do then? Are you an advocate of keeping the state border shut waiting 12 months for a potential vaccine that may not come, or for a treatment that may not come?

Business and trade is dying because of the restrictions. I understand the health crisis, but the economic crisis if not managed properly, actually leads to more death than the virus itself.

So I ask again: what will it take for you to believe that the borders should be reopened?
- 10 active known cases per million
- a downward trend in new cases
- 14 days since the last community transmission

That would be a good start.

We have not just gone through all this crap just to have Rupert say no and have the lemmings capitulate.

We could have business operating very successfully in this state the way we are going, why risk a full lockdown again?

Its like that bullshit from Hanson about QLD losing 500 million/day. Absolute garbage.
Do you really think the smattering of tourists from NSW and Victoria will put a dent in that figure? No bloody way.
What we want is overseas dollars coming back in, shuffling money around between the states is a zero sum game.
What will eventually attract tourists. No virus.


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I would dispute that claim. South Australia has only had two cases in 37 days and both of those were imported from overseas. If there are asymptomatic cases out there you would expect a much higher local transference rate then zero. I think eradication within South Australia is entirely possible and we may have already achieved it. We will not know for several weeks.
You eliminate a disease from a geographic area, and you say you eradicate it from the world.

At some point the borders have to be opened up and no 14 day quarantining. People who are given work exemptions and don't have to quarantine will bring it in. As Spurrier said the day after the last case, a whole lot of mining industry has been shut down and needs to restart soon. Specialist engineers and technicians will be needed to come in from interstate and overseas to start it up and they won't 14 day quarantine and they might bring it in.

SA health and government know this but they are a bit publicity shy of bad news and wont set dates and targets yet, which probably makes it harder for them to announce a re-opening.

When that happens, you will see cases again. Its life with any disease that has not been eradicated from the planet.
 

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Ok, so let's say it has been eliminated. What do you do then? Are you an advocate of keeping the state border shut waiting 12 months for a potential vaccine that may not come, or for a treatment that may not come?

Business and trade is dying because of the restrictions. I understand the health crisis, but the economic crisis if not managed properly, actually leads to more death than the virus itself.

So I ask again: what will it take for you to believe that the borders should be reopened?
I am not saying borders will not reopen. I am not sure where you get this no trade notion from anyway, SA's borders are not closed to trade. Road transport is flowing freely between South Australia and other states. Where do you think Victorians got their supplies of toilet paper from?

I can understand people living in Victoria resigning themselves to the fact they have to live with COVID-19 for a while longer as Victoria has a problem atm.
This is probably no one's fault it is the way it is. I suspect that in South Australia the mood is different as we have to be as close close to zero as we are going to get. I believe we are justified in not wanting to jeopardize that situation.

What will it take to open the SA Victorian border to non essential travel? I have no idea what those who make the decisions think but to me Victoria getting a week with low cases might be a start. As I type Victoria has 11 new cases today and that is just above the daily average in Victoria for the past month. Since May 1st Victoria has had close to 295 new cases of COVID-19, while I understand several of these cases are from overseas travelers in quarantine too many of them are not. Even NSW has reduced it's infection reate significantly as there have been just 21 new cases in two weeks. Since May 1st South Australia has recorded just 2 new cases both imported.

Victoria's infection count is too high and it has to come down. It is possible as SA, NT, Tasmania, ACT, WA (if you do not count the Kuwaiti live sheep carrier) and Qld have all recorded low numbers for several weeks. I realise that there is a population density difference but you cannot expect States with almost zero infection to throw open the borders to States that have not got the situation under control.

Get the situation under control in Victoria and we will gladly open the border.
 

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I am not saying borders will not reopen. I am not sure where you get this no trade notion from anyway, SA's borders are not closed to trade. Road transport is flowing freely between South Australia and other states. Where do you think Victorians got their supplies of toilet paper from?

I can understand people living in Victoria resigning themselves to the fact they have to live with COVID-19 for a while longer as Victoria has a problem atm.
This is probably no one's fault it is the way it is. I suspect that in South Australia the mood is different as we have to be as close close to zero as we are going to get. I believe we are justified in not wanting to jeopardize that situation.

What will it take to open the SA Victorian border to non essential travel? I have no idea what those who make the decisions think but to me Victoria getting a week with low cases might be a start. As I type Victoria has 11 new cases today and that is just above the daily average in Victoria for the past month. Since May 1st Victoria has had close to 295 new cases of COVID-19, while I understand several of these cases are from overseas travelers in quarantine too many of them are not. Even NSW has reduced it's infection reate significantly as there have been just 21 new cases in two weeks. Since May 1st South Australia has recorded just 2 new cases both imported.

Victoria's infection count is too high and it has to come down. It is possible as SA, NT, Tasmania, ACT, WA (if you do not count the Kuwaiti live sheep carrier) and Qld have all recorded low numbers for several weeks. I realise that there is a population density difference but you cannot expect States with almost zero infection to throw open the borders to States that have not got the situation under control.

Get the situation under control in Victoria and we will gladly open the border.
NSW has it essentially under control right now and has so for a bit of time now. The only state where clusters have popped up is Victoria, and even those are relatively minor.

It really should be a case where the only state that should remained closed is Victoria if you want to base it on controlling the virus.

I feel for the QLD tourism operators, given at this rate many of their small businesses may not survive if Palaszczuk keeps things shut for much longer.
 

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NSW has it essentially under control right now and has so for a bit of time now. The only state where clusters have popped up is Victoria, and even those are relatively minor.

It really should be a case where the only state that should remained closed is Victoria if you want to base it on controlling the virus.

I feel for the QLD tourism operators, given at this rate many of their small businesses may not survive if Palaszczuk keeps things shut for much longer.
The problem is the NSW borders are not closed so Victoria cannot be isolated unless Gladys closes the NSW/Vic border and she isn't going to do that. If Gladys closed the NSW Victoria border she might have a better chance of getting the NSW/Qld border opened.

In this morning's Monopoly Times there was a story that the ACT has been pursuing a FIFO bubble with SA and Tasmania. I do not see how that would work if the ACT/NSW border remains open. Tourism is the big loser for sure but if the SA, NT, QLD, Tas and WA reciprocate with open borders, which is probably feasible in the near future, then some tourism is possible.

The borders will open for sure, the question is in the timing.
 

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COVID's over. Those protesters in America aren't social distancing and that was the worst thing ever 2 weeks ago and would kill people but no one saying anything about it during these ones so the danger has passed there to.
 

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