Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

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I've worked in government, I know what it's like. But if you really required a staff member for some specific compliance reason like checking vaccination passports, it would be done.

The point is, the people who come up with stupid regulations like checking vaccination passports have never worked in small business and don't understand what it's like when you're spending your own money rather than other people's money.
I work in a small business and we have had a "no double vax no entry" policy for 2 weeks

We've had no issues surrounding this, probably because I work in an industry full of university educated people so the general intelligence level is quite high. Everyone is double vaccinated.

In an office it's pretty easy to implement a way to monitor who comes and goes but this would be difficult in retail I imagine.
 

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No no just ask the expert PapaG …apparently Halthcare is just fine and under no strain whatsoever

Where did I say the system was under strain to the point it can't cope?

What i said was that the flowchart with respect to the definitions of casual/close contacts in a health care setting is so ridiculous that any strain the health care system experiences in coming months due to healthcare workers being stood down or in quarantine will be entirely of SA Health's own making.

I am yet to come across a single worker in health care in SA (be it GP, specialist, midwife, nurse, admin staff, allied health professional etc) who thinks the flowchart system for health care workers is sound.

Take the scenario of a specialist for instance - one that requires any type of hands on work in his private office - if they come into contact with a covid positive case, they're out of work for at least a week. These specialists are usually booked many weeks if not months in advance. One week out of work - how do they just "make up for it" down the track without inconveniencing an absolute ton of their patients - some of whom have been waiting to see said specialist for many months?

I spoke with one ENT recently who said "christmas holidays have come early for many of my colleagues this year" because none of them can be bothered dealing with the ridiculous rules and regulations set out by SA Health. And for those who stay open - the overwhelming are forced through this bureaucratic BS to provide substandard care in order to remain open for business. It's utterly ridiculous.
 

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Where did I say the system was under strain to the point it can't cope?

What i said was that the flowchart with respect to the definitions of casual/close contacts in a health care setting is so ridiculous that any strain the health care system experiences in coming months due to healthcare workers being stood down or in quarantine will be entirely of SA Health's own making.

I am yet to come across a single worker in health care in SA (be it GP, specialist, midwife, nurse, admin staff, allied health professional etc) who thinks the flowchart system for health care workers is sound.

Take the scenario of a specialist for instance - one that requires any type of hands on work in his private office - if they come into contact with a covid positive case, they're out of work for at least a week. These specialists are usually booked many weeks if not months in advance. One week out of work - how do they just "make up for it" down the track without inconveniencing an absolute ton of their patients - some of whom have been waiting to see said specialist for many months?

I spoke with one ENT recently who said "christmas holidays have come early for many of my colleagues this year" because none of them can be bothered dealing with the ridiculous rules and regulations set out by SA Health. And for those who stay open - the overwhelming are forced through this bureaucratic BS to provide substandard care in order to remain open for business. It's utterly ridiculous.
You misunderstood my response.
 

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Where did I say the system was under strain to the point it can't cope?

What i said was that the flowchart with respect to the definitions of casual/close contacts in a health care setting is so ridiculous that any strain the health care system experiences in coming months due to healthcare workers being stood down or in quarantine will be entirely of SA Health's own making.

I am yet to come across a single worker in health care in SA (be it GP, specialist, midwife, nurse, admin staff, allied health professional etc) who thinks the flowchart system for health care workers is sound.

Take the scenario of a specialist for instance - one that requires any type of hands on work in his private office - if they come into contact with a covid positive case, they're out of work for at least a week. These specialists are usually booked many weeks if not months in advance. One week out of work - how do they just "make up for it" down the track without inconveniencing an absolute ton of their patients - some of whom have been waiting to see said specialist for many months?

I spoke with one ENT recently who said "christmas holidays have come early for many of my colleagues this year" because none of them can be bothered dealing with the ridiculous rules and regulations set out by SA Health. And for those who stay open - the overwhelming are forced through this bureaucratic BS to provide substandard care in order to remain open for business. It's utterly ridiculous.
The virus doesn't magically not jump to healthcare workers simply because they need to come into close contact with people.

So your Specialist example, they are in close contact with a positive case. If they don't go an take that time off work they then go and infect all their later appointments. Yeah thats a good outcome because those people who have caught it from the specialist are now spreading it further.

There's also the fact that healthcare workers are more likely to come into contact with vulnerable people. So they need to be more careful about interactions with someone who is infected.
 

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The virus doesn't magically not jump to healthcare workers simply because they need to come into close contact with people.

So your Specialist example, they are in close contact with a positive case. If they don't go an take that time off work they then go and infect all their later appointments. Yeah thats a good outcome because those people who have caught it from the specialist are now spreading it further.

There's also the fact that healthcare workers are more likely to come into contact with vulnerable people. So they need to be more careful about interactions with someone who is infected.

Do you believe it is appropriate to shut down health care businesses when a health care worker comes into contact with a positive case, despite the worker being vaccinated, the positive case being vaccinated, and all of the patients and workers at the health care facility vaccinated?
 

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Not sure what you are saying here. Gauteng doesnt have extremely high vaccination rates. If Omicron was a game changer with low vaccine evasion we would be seeing an explosion in deaths in the unvaccinated.

We still may, knock on wood I hope we dont, but the evidence doesnt point that way at this time.

Yeah I got the dates mixed up on that graph. Assumed the death spikes happened pre-vaccine. Which might be the case, not sure how their rollout went.

Last big spike in deaths was august-sept ish.
 

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Where did I say the system was under strain to the point it can't cope?

What i said was that the flowchart with respect to the definitions of casual/close contacts in a health care setting is so ridiculous that any strain the health care system experiences in coming months due to healthcare workers being stood down or in quarantine will be entirely of SA Health's own making.

I am yet to come across a single worker in health care in SA (be it GP, specialist, midwife, nurse, admin staff, allied health professional etc) who thinks the flowchart system for health care workers is sound.

Take the scenario of a specialist for instance - one that requires any type of hands on work in his private office - if they come into contact with a covid positive case, they're out of work for at least a week. These specialists are usually booked many weeks if not months in advance. One week out of work - how do they just "make up for it" down the track without inconveniencing an absolute ton of their patients - some of whom have been waiting to see said specialist for many months?

I spoke with one ENT recently who said "christmas holidays have come early for many of my colleagues this year" because none of them can be bothered dealing with the ridiculous rules and regulations set out by SA Health. And for those who stay open - the overwhelming are forced through this bureaucratic BS to provide substandard care in order to remain open for business. It's utterly ridiculous.

My industry has a large percentage of casual workers and a large number of sites to staff.
As Covid spreads and quarantines start to build up it is going to be a nightmare trying to staff all sites while complying with the guidelines. And as far as I can see there is no longer any form of government support payments for those who lose pay, how many repeat quarantines are casual staff going to tolerate before they just quit?
We have all had our mandatory vaccinations to keep working (sickest I have ever been, that 2nd jab was brutal!) surely just regular testing post exposure would be adequate with quarantine only necessary after a positive result.
 

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Health authorities in Queensland have declared a “first in the world” strain of the Omicron variant has been discovered as leaders continue to mull over a response to the evolving outbreaks.
National cabinet will meet on Friday to co-ordinate responses to the new Covid-19 variant as mystery surrounds the potency of the strain.
Queensland will fling its borders open to interstate travellers on Monday, but Health Minister Yvette D’Ath warned the discovery was further evidence policies would need to be flexible to respond to the evolving pandemic.
Ms D’Ath said authorities were labelling the new strain “Omicron-like” at this stage.
“This is a new variant,” she told reporters on Wednesday morning.
“Remember, it’s only been days since this has become an issue for Australia and other countries.
“And now, today, we are standing here announcing a new version of Omicron and it’s a first in the world.

Please give it the Persei 8 extention it so richly deserves.
 

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Sexual misconduct allegations
In August 2020, during Cawthorn's campaign for Congress, several women came forward accusing him of sexually aggressive behavior, sexual misconduct, and sexual assault.[5][83][84][85] Katrina Krulikas described an incident when she was 17 and Cawthorn was 19 in which Cawthorn pressured her to sit on his lap and attempted to kiss her forcefully twice, which she resisted.[11] Cawthorn did not deny the allegations, but said, "I did try and kiss her, just very normal, just in a flirtatious way", adding, "If I did make her feel unsafe, I feel bad", but questioned the timing of her allegation.[86] His campaign characterized Krulikas's allegations as politically motivated, which she denied.[85]

After Krulikas made her allegations, three other women made allegations of sexual misconduct against Cawthorn, including forcible grabbing and kissing.[83] One woman said Cawthorn called her "just a little blonde, slutty American girl" when she rejected his sexual advances.[11][6]

On October 17, 2020, a group of Patrick Henry College alumni released a public letter accusing Cawthorn of "sexually predatory behavior" while he was a student there for little more than one semester, as well as of vandalism and lying. The letter originally had 10 signatories but the number increased to over 150 alumni. Cawthorn claimed that most of the signers did not know him personally and his campaign posted a letter of support for him signed by six alumni, two of whom work for Cawthorn's campaign. The letter implied support by former Patrick Henry College President Michael Farris; Farris disavowed the support letter and asked that he not be associated with it.[87]

A February 2021 BuzzFeed News investigation found 20 people who said that Cawthorn had harassed his female classmates during college; the reporters spoke to four women who said that Cawthorn had harassed them. It was alleged that Cawthorn often recklessly drove women in his car to remote areas off campus while asking them sexual questions, which he called "fun drives". Two resident assistantssaid they warned women to avoid Cawthorn and not to ride in his car. A male acquaintance said Cawthorn bragged about pulling a woman into his lap and putting a finger between her legs.[6]"
 

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Sexual misconduct allegations
In August 2020, during Cawthorn's campaign for Congress, several women came forward accusing him of sexually aggressive behavior, sexual misconduct, and sexual assault.[5][83][84][85] Katrina Krulikas described an incident when she was 17 and Cawthorn was 19 in which Cawthorn pressured her to sit on his lap and attempted to kiss her forcefully twice, which she resisted.[11] Cawthorn did not deny the allegations, but said, "I did try and kiss her, just very normal, just in a flirtatious way", adding, "If I did make her feel unsafe, I feel bad", but questioned the timing of her allegation.[86] His campaign characterized Krulikas's allegations as politically motivated, which she denied.[85]

After Krulikas made her allegations, three other women made allegations of sexual misconduct against Cawthorn, including forcible grabbing and kissing.[83] One woman said Cawthorn called her "just a little blonde, slutty American girl" when she rejected his sexual advances.[11][6]

On October 17, 2020, a group of Patrick Henry College alumni released a public letter accusing Cawthorn of "sexually predatory behavior" while he was a student there for little more than one semester, as well as of vandalism and lying. The letter originally had 10 signatories but the number increased to over 150 alumni. Cawthorn claimed that most of the signers did not know him personally and his campaign posted a letter of support for him signed by six alumni, two of whom work for Cawthorn's campaign. The letter implied support by former Patrick Henry College President Michael Farris; Farris disavowed the support letter and asked that he not be associated with it.[87]

A February 2021 BuzzFeed News investigation found 20 people who said that Cawthorn had harassed his female classmates during college; the reporters spoke to four women who said that Cawthorn had harassed them. It was alleged that Cawthorn often recklessly drove women in his car to remote areas off campus while asking them sexual questions, which he called "fun drives". Two resident assistantssaid they warned women to avoid Cawthorn and not to ride in his car. A male acquaintance said Cawthorn bragged about pulling a woman into his lap and putting a finger between her legs.[6]"
I couldn't find it on your wiki post, how many convcitions have come of these allegations?
 

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I went into the post office to collect an online purchase last week but forgot my wallet with my driver's license in it. Had my phone and whipped out the Covid Cert XIX thinking that it's a valid form of ID.

PO guy wasn't impressed but he let it slide.
 

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iT hAs nEvEr hApPeNeD bEfOrE

Nathan Eagleton, Dylan Roberton, Jayden Pitt and Alex Villis say hi, that's just off the top of my head.


Yeah but that Gillon McLaghlan guy is still culpable.

(I think that's a rare Islay Malt scotch).
 

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Sexual misconduct allegations
In August 2020, during Cawthorn's campaign for Congress, several women came forward accusing him of sexually aggressive behavior, sexual misconduct, and sexual assault.[5][83][84][85] Katrina Krulikas described an incident when she was 17 and Cawthorn was 19 in which Cawthorn pressured her to sit on his lap and attempted to kiss her forcefully twice, which she resisted.[11] Cawthorn did not deny the allegations, but said, "I did try and kiss her, just very normal, just in a flirtatious way", adding, "If I did make her feel unsafe, I feel bad", but questioned the timing of her allegation.[86] His campaign characterized Krulikas's allegations as politically motivated, which she denied.[85]

After Krulikas made her allegations, three other women made allegations of sexual misconduct against Cawthorn, including forcible grabbing and kissing.[83] One woman said Cawthorn called her "just a little blonde, slutty American girl" when she rejected his sexual advances.[11][6]

On October 17, 2020, a group of Patrick Henry College alumni released a public letter accusing Cawthorn of "sexually predatory behavior" while he was a student there for little more than one semester, as well as of vandalism and lying. The letter originally had 10 signatories but the number increased to over 150 alumni. Cawthorn claimed that most of the signers did not know him personally and his campaign posted a letter of support for him signed by six alumni, two of whom work for Cawthorn's campaign. The letter implied support by former Patrick Henry College President Michael Farris; Farris disavowed the support letter and asked that he not be associated with it.[87]

A February 2021 BuzzFeed News investigation found 20 people who said that Cawthorn had harassed his female classmates during college; the reporters spoke to four women who said that Cawthorn had harassed them. It was alleged that Cawthorn often recklessly drove women in his car to remote areas off campus while asking them sexual questions, which he called "fun drives". Two resident assistantssaid they warned women to avoid Cawthorn and not to ride in his car. A male acquaintance said Cawthorn bragged about pulling a woman into his lap and putting a finger between her legs.[6]"
Yuk
 

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I guess it must be none by your pathetic post, oh well :)
Great, I'll let your daughter know that Bill's coming around for dinner tomorrow night then. He doesn't have any sexual assault convictions either, so I'm sure she has nothing to worry about.
 

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Great, I'll let your daughter know that Bill's coming around for dinner tomorrow night then. He doesn't have any sexual assault convictions either, so I'm sure she has nothing to worry about.
Funny how you're still not answering the question but moving the goal posts - I thought it was a pretty easy question but daring to point out the obvious ommision in your wiki post got you a tad triggered - chill little fella!
 

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I work in a small business and we have had a "no double vax no entry" policy for 2 weeks

We've had no issues surrounding this, probably because I work in an industry full of university educated people so the general intelligence level is quite high. Everyone is double vaccinated.

In an office it's pretty easy to implement a way to monitor who comes and goes but this would be difficult in retail I imagine.

You're confusing and conflating "educated" and "intelligence" - to have one does NOT mean the other exists in the same entity.
 
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