Corona virus and other pestilences. Poxes ‘n stuff. Part 5.

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Interesting that other states have deemed it necessary to have RATs more widely used for teachers and students, and see a use for air purifiers, but Spurrier and Marshall have an opposing assessment about this. One wonders how confident citizens should be about other non-school related health assessments when health professionals around the country have contrasting assessments. Another being the close contact definitions.
 

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PA88 said:
Agree with most but I disagree with this inference that the states were not prepared due to Omicron but were prepared for the other variants as if they were largely less infectious. It is an excuse used by the polies, especially Marshall in order to camouflage his mis-timing. Imagine SA if our cases were 81% Delta rather than Omicron.
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It's not an inference or an excuse but a fact.

For SA we had our borders shut during almost all of the Delta spread and endured lockdowns whenever positive cases emerged as well as mandates on masks indoors and QR checks. It mostly worked in preventing large outbreaks here. Prior to borders opening up on 23 November last year SA enjoyed months without a single case of local transmission.

Double vaccination provided exceptional coverage against Delta and previous covid variants which is why most states (including SA) agreed to open borders when community double vaccination rates reached 80%.

Unfortunately the agreed date to open (23 Nov in SA) coincided with the highly infectious Omicron variant spreading across the globe. A variant of covid that, unlike previous strains, was far less susceptible to existing vaccines - especially vaccines delivered 3-4 months ago which was the case for much of the ageing and vulnerable. Scientists say it is the fast spreading virus outbreak in recorded history.

Opening our borders before we knew anything about Omicron, other than it was highly contagious was just plain idiotic. That our Premier did it on the advice of a police officer and his former bank manager CEO, ignoring his health advisers, was breathtakingly risky. The first covid case in SA for many months occurred less than 24 hours after the borders opened.

That Omicron has proved to lead to less severe disease despite its highly infectious nature was dumb luck. Nothing else.
 
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NewsCorp political editor Sam Maiden schooling the Federal Health Minister on the reasons for the RAT shortage.

That it is a Murdoch reporter calling the Morrison government to account for its ongoing BS and obfuscation pleases me no end. The army of spin doctors at LNP HQ must be fuming.

Tn the last video Maiden has a go at Hunt on the issue of masks. Particularly the need for consistent advice on which masks are actually effective against Omicron - namely P95/P2 masks rather than surgical masks. A very good point.

 
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raptalia said:
Yet the US Government has issued a travel advisory warning US citizens not to visit Australia. :rolleyes:

www.9news.com.au

US slaps 'do not travel' warning on Australia due to COVID-19

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Yes but bear in mind the main reason for that advisory is because the impact of vaccination and testing requirements in various states may have on US travellers travel plans. They say the health risk from covid is high but that is said in the travel advisory for almost all countries.


Latest update:If you're aged 18 and over you must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and provide proof of vaccination to travel to the US by air, unless you're a US citizen, US permanent resident, or qualify for one of the exceptions to this requirement. All passengers, regardless of citizenship or vaccination status, must also show a negative COVID-19 test result taken no more than one day before travel (see 'Travel’). COVID-19 remains a serious health risk. Various restrictions and public health measures are in place and vary by location. Monitor the Embassy website for further COVID-19 related information (see ‘Local Contacts’).


Per capita infection rates for selected countries show what we already know about US infection rates far exceeding what is happening here. The contrast of the US situation with their neighbour Canada is startling.

And of course, the variation in infection rates across different US states is immense.





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Janus said:
Highly respected peer reviewed BMJ finally asks the right question:

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Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now

Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different pandemic, it came to light that governments around the world had spent billions stockpiling antivirals for influenza that had not been shown to reduce the risk...
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The authors ask are we just meant to trust the pharmaceuticals. But it goes beyond this when governments are blindly signing up to their regimes and effectively persuading, coercing or compelling it's citizenry to do the same. We might get lucky, the vaccines may do more good than harm, but it's pretty clearly a crap shoot.
 

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NewsCorp political editor Sam Maiden schooling the Federal Health Minister on the reasons for the RAT shortage.

That it is a Murdoch reporter calling the Morrison government to account for its ongoing BS and obfuscation pleases me no end. The army of spin doctors at LNP HQ must be fuming.

Tn the last video Maiden has a go at Hunt on the issue of masks. Particularly the need for consistent advice on which masks are actually effective against Omicron - namely P95/P2 masks rather than surgical masks. A very good point.

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It's almost as if Newscorp has journo's with alternative opinions.. in a shock to no one sane.

On masks, neither, being a reporter she could you know, research it herself? You can give everyone an n95 but no one is going to use it properly so it won't make an iota of difference to the spread. That'd mean she'd actually have to report on real actual facts and not what she wants to be true so that's not gonna happen. Being an actual journalist, that's for dinosaurs!

The whole Abrahams is gonna ask a hypothetical in the Sunday Mail about if it was a good idea to open up is also a complete non starter because WA is gonna get Omicron with their hard border anyway and it's going to spread the same way it has over the entire globe. What the * is wrong with these journalists and pundits who are unable to ******* take 2 minutes to have a look at what is happening around the world and see that what is happening here is no different. It truly is the profession of absolute low IQ morons these days.
 
Festerz said:
It's not an inference or an excuse but a fact.

For SA we had our borders shut during almost all of the Delta spread and endured lockdowns whenever positive cases emerged as well as mandates on masks indoors and QR checks. It mostly worked in preventing large outbreaks here. Prior to borders opening up on 23 November last year SA enjoyed months without a single case of local transmission.

Double vaccination provided exceptional coverage against Delta and previous covid variants which is why most states (including SA) agreed to open borders when community double vaccination rates reached 80%.

Unfortunately the agreed date to open (23 Nov in SA) coincided with the highly infectious Omicron variant spreading across the globe. A variant of covid that, unlike previous strains, was far less susceptible to existing vaccines - especially vaccines delivered 3-4 months ago which was the case for much of the ageing and vulnerable. Scientists say it is the fast spreading virus outbreak in recorded history.

That Omicron has proved to lead to less severe disease despite its highly infectious nature was dumb luck. Nothing else.
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Yeah I don't discount a lot of this and Raptalia's but I struggle to see that SA was well planned and prepared to open to Delta other than a high vaccinated population. Fortunately SA coped prior to opening because it limited border migration to states with plentiful hotpots. I'm just not believing that our current exhaustive resources were not going to be happening if Delta cases were 81%.
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Covid doesn't walk but the BA.2 variant is starting to look like it's got legs. Nobody is panicking yet but give it a couple of weeks and see what it's doing in the UK.

7news.com.au

New Omicron COVID variant spreads in 40 countries

The sub-lineage of the Omicron variant has been recorded in 40 countries, with the most samples reported in Denmark.
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“It may be that it is more resistant to the immunity in the population, which allows it to infect more. We do not know yet,” he told broadcaster TV 2, adding that there was a possibility that people infected with BA.1 might not be immune from then catching BA.2 soon after.

“It is a possibility,” he said.
 
From Steven Marshall...

'The good news is no deaths in South Australia reported over the past 24 hours and the good news keeps coming because the number of positive cases yesterday was down to the lowest it's been in a very, very long period of time.'

I guess a little over 3 weeks can be a very, very, long period of time in politics. Sounds like spin to me. Yesterday's test numbers were also the lowest they had been for some time. But, it is good news that there were no deaths and hospitalisation numbers have stabilised while ICU numbers are down.

www.abc.net.au

South Australia records lowest COVID-19 daily case numbers so far this year

The number of new COVID-19 cases in South Australia's has continued to decline — prompting the Premier to declare that the state may have moved "past the peak".
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If hospitalisations have stabilised and ICU numbers are falling maybe it is time for elective surgery to resume. The longer Marshall delays the bigger the back log. A resumption will certainly keep these guys happy...

www.abc.net.au

Doctors urge SA government to ease elective surgery freeze as private hospitals sit 'idle'

Surgeons say private hospitals in South Australia have the staff, operating theatres and beds to enable more elective surgeries.
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Vagabond0 said:
Looks like I spoke to soon. Unvaccinated one has now tested positive....

So we're all back in quarantine as close contacts except oldest who gets a 30 day pass out given he's just got over it.

Throat not feeling the best so looks like I might be headed for an extend stay 🤔
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So unvaccinated one all recovered, had 4 days of worsening symptoms but been ok for the last couple of days.

Mrs, youngest and I all tested negative day 0 with a RAT but youngest just came up positive on his day 6 test. He had mild symptoms for a couple of days during the week but has been fine since Thursday. In hindsight we should have got him a PCR straight away but seemed pointless as I wasn't going to put him in a room with his brother who had worsening symptoms.

So I'm back in for another 7 days quarantine as a close contact. 21 days for the month. Lucky enough I can work from home but not sure how my employer/others would feel about being unavailable for 3 weeks if they couldn't work from home.

Appears the vaccination has held up so far for the Mrs and I. We had little exposure to the oldest, few days of exposure to the unvaccinated one amd pretty much a full week of exposure to our youngest.

Lastly Day0 RAT turned positive for both the youngest and me after an hour or so. Result is meant to be read at the 15 minute mark so I ignored it. Not sure if I should have read more into it at the time.
 
Papa G said:
So Private Hospitals sitting idle with staff having nothing to do, just creating a back log of elective surgery proceedures just in case Halthcare needed the back up? Which they haven't. You guys must get really sick of me beingf right alll the time.
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Same everywhere. So much of the halth crisis is manufactured.

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It comes as doctors plead for elective surgeries to be gradually returned, with one surgeon forced to turn away patients in pain as he spends his day “mowing my lawns”.

A call for day surgeries to be reinstated follows a Victorian government U-turn on its ban on crucial IVF treatments this week.

Australian Orthopaedic Association Victorian branch chairman Adrian Trivett lashed the blanket ban on elective surgeries as a “blunt tool” that was leaving people in long-term pain.

He said hospital wards that largely dealt with day surgeries were “empty with the lights off” and nursing staff and doctors were on leave because of “the lack of nuance to the approach to the problem”.

“There’s no doubt there’s capacity in the system to continue with some surgeries that are absolutely not life-threatening but they’re causing disability and pain and they’re not being attended to,” Dr Trivett said.

Gynaecologist Simon Gordon, who specialises in endometriosis, said all of his patients suffered from “chronic and severe pain” but were unable to have surgery.

“I’m at home mowing my lawns and turning the coffee machine on,” Dr Gordon said.

“Patients come to me and I say, ‘Look, I’m not allowed to operate’. Everyone is in the same boat and none of us are doing anything particularly useful.”

He said the nurses he worked with in operating theatres were “highly credentialed” but had “niche” skills that were not applicable to a Covid ward.

“We’re sitting around doing very little when we could be operating.”

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