Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Tiger Toffee]

saved lives

This is such a bullshit saying, who's lives were saved, who was going to die but didn't as a result of these measures, who are they what are their names. I could say i was going to kill 15 people today due to my driving, i didn't kill anyone so do i get to say i saved lives today.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

This is such a bullshit saying, who's lives were saved, who was going to die but didn't as a result of these measures, who are they what are their names. I could say i was going to kill 15 people today due to my driving, i didn't kill anyone so do i get to say i saved lives today.

Mate if that's your attitude, I can't help you.

 

[burge13]

I dont think im a genius at all and i answered your question re conspiracy and you ignored it.

You are a sheep and nothing more. If McGowan/Andrews said they had to shag your wife to save you from covid youd hold her legs open. People incapable of assessing risk are ruining more lives than you think youre saving. Youre nothing but a sociopath supporting lockdowns a year into this.

 

[Run n Spread]

You were complaining that world leaders are wearing masks when they talk.

I was. You are literally dealing with the all be it self appointed leader of the free world. Who could not answer a direct simple question.
I would ask the world leader
Given medically approved and accepted practice why are you advocating an unproven unscientific method of wearing unsanitised masks in dealing with a global pandemic?
Why are you wearing a surgical highly sanitised mask in a press conference?
in good conscience how can you advocate possibly advocate the general population put their health at risk on the whim of unproven unverified and potentially compromised information?
Answer some direct questions or **** off back to SRP. Sorry no offence but this is real life and I'm too tired of dealing with idiocy to take this crap seriously

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Mate if that's your attitude, I can't help you.

You can't say lives were saved if you can't name the people, no one knows when people are going to die unless they are virtually seconds away from death, so to say lives were saved is just a political narrative to make whoever said it look like a hero.

The only people who can say they saved a life are doctors who have brought someone back from a flatline or someone who saved someone from certain death at that exact point in time.

Saying lives were saved due to locking down because some clown predicted x number of people were going to die and then didn't is just fabricated bullshit to suit an agenda like i said above.

 

[burge13]

You're too far down the rabbit hole mate, You're calling me a sociopath why? I'm glad your not in charge gagfed yourself .

What rabbit hole? Youre a sheep thats all

Ive listed 20 or so problems lockdowns bring about yet they only solve 1 (covid). It simply doesnt add up but while the news has scared enough idiots like you into compliance, the rest of us with an IQ above 12 have to suffer

 

[norway blue]

You're too far down the rabbit hole mate, You're calling me a sociopath why? I'm glad your not in charge gagfed yourself .

Ok I'm off, no need to be abusive.You guys are are in your own echo chamber and are spreading dangerous untruths and have no respect for nurses or human life or facts.

I haven’t been disrespectful. To be fair you haven’t answered any questions from posters after you came in guns .


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[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

I haven’t been disrespectful. To be fair you haven’t answered any questions from posters after you came in guns .


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Ok apologies to you if you've been reasonable , although this 'you didn't answer the question' thing is not a reasonable way to debate things.

 

[burge13]

What a stupid comment, it is if you didnt answer a question...

 

[norway blue]

So you don’t know if I’ve been reasonable.. And you won’t answer questions after storming in .. Comment..


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[Joey JoJo Shabad]

This is probably where some of the covid camps will be.

Thousands of criminals will be released from Victorian prisons early because they have spent more hours locked down in their cells due to coronavirus.

Serious violent offenders including murderers and rapists are among 4,927 prisoners whose sentences were cut because of the emergency measures.

But Dan is happy to continue to lock up innocent people in their own homes.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nals-released-EARLY-Victoria-coronavirus.html

 

[Run n Spread]

I don't know anything about the PCR test, what's the conspiracy there? How is Brett Sutten compromised?

**** me you don't know about the PCR test??? What are you even doing in this thread? The literal inventor of the test said it's not supposed to be a tool to detect viruses

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

fu** me you don't know about the PCR test??? What are you even doing in this thread? The literal inventor of the test said it's not supposed to be a tool to detect viruses

Yeah it's not perfect but it works pretty well.

"At the moment the majority of the current Covid-19 tests that all the reports are coming from are using PCR,” says University of Sussex senior lecturer in microbiology Dr Edward Wright. “They detect the genetic information of the virus, the RNA. That’s only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected.”

PCR tests are used to directly detect the presence of an antigen, rather than the presence of the body’s immune response, or antibodies. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on."

If you're saying it produces some false positives, yes ,but it's cheap and works well enough.

"Warwick Medical School honorary clinical lecturer Dr James Gill said: “During the course of the outbreak, the PCR testing has been refined from the initial testing procedures and with the addition of greater automation to reduce errors. As such, we now have an 80-85% specificity – i.e. the chance the test is detecting the virus."

 

[Run n Spread]

You're too far down the rabbit hole mate, You're calling me a sociopath why? I'm glad your not in charge gagfed yourself .

Ok I'm off, no need to be abusive.You guys are are in your own echo chamber and are spreading dangerous untruths and have no respect for nurses or human life or facts.

Ok name the untruths. What specific untruths have I spread.
Meanwhile everyone else is spreading bullshit like the virus jumps corridors or spreads in air vents or miraculously disappears in shopping centres.
My argument is simple. If you want to do something as radical as suspend civil rights, breach your own human rights charter and institute public restrictions on a scale never before seen in modern democratic history than the onus of proof is on you. Not quoting msm or ralling against Trump but some cold hard facts and scientific proof why this is necessary. Let's see some evidence. Not media quotes not a slogan not some granny killers teenage emotional manipulation but some real proof. Let's see it.

 

[Run n Spread]

Yeah it's not perfect but it works pretty well.

"At the moment the majority of the current Covid-19 tests that all the reports are coming from are using PCR,” says University of Sussex senior lecturer in microbiology Dr Edward Wright. “They detect the genetic information of the virus, the RNA. That’s only possible if the virus is there and someone is actively infected.”

PCR tests are used to directly detect the presence of an antigen, rather than the presence of the body’s immune response, or antibodies. By detecting viral RNA, which will be present in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present, the tests can tell whether or not someone has the virus very early on."

If you're saying it produces some false positives, yes ,but it's cheap and works well enough.

"Warwick Medical School honorary clinical lecturer Dr James Gill said: “During the course of the outbreak, the PCR testing has been refined from the initial testing procedures and with the addition of greater automation to reduce errors. As such, we now have an 80-85% specificity – i.e. the chance the test is detecting the virus."

Cheap and works well?
Doesn't factor immune response?
Only detects virus not the magnification or severity?
How can antibodies not be relevant? All you're doing is detecting something that exists rather than taking into account severity to the wider population and contagion.

I give up. Seriously too hard arguing with idiots. I suspect that's the problem.you just get worn down and people get fed up and remove themselves so only people left making these decisions are those who manipulate are in the right circles of whatever.
I'm moving asap. It's the majority world. Let the morons lie in their own filth.
I'll just go to my own space

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Ok name the untruths. What specific untruths have I spread.
Meanwhile everyone else is spreading bullshit like the virus jumps corridors or spreads in air vents or miraculously disappears in shopping centres.
My argument is simple. If you want to do something as radical as suspend civil rights, breach your own human rights charter and institute public restrictions on a scale never before seen in modern democratic history than the onus of proof is on you. Not quoting msm or ralling against Trump but some cold hard facts and scientific proof why this is necessary. Let's see some evidence. Not media quotes not a slogan not some granny killers teenage emotional manipulation but some real proof. Let's see it.

My sister got it in Mexico, she didn't make it up.
A mask mandate during a deadly pandemic is not a breach of civil rights in my book.
It's just common sense. The govt has a duty of care to its population as a whole.
All humans are potential virus carriers so you have to act as one group to protect the individual.
The mask is no big deal and I'm glad my fellow citizens wear one.
I'm not sure what evidence you want the numbers of infected and dead are understated anyway.
All the govt data are evidence through testing nd testing is 80 to 85 % accurate.

 

[Crankitup]

 

[BlueE]

Switzerland bans AstraZeneca vaccine for ALL citizens

SWITZERLAND has made a shock move not to approve the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for use in its roll out of Covid jabs.

www.express.co.uk

Switzerland bans AstraZenica vaccine for all citizens, with the Swiss medical regulator claiming there was a lack of data on efficacy.

Adds to France, Germany, Poland, Italy and Sweden advising against using it over a certain age.

 

[Run n Spread]

My sister got it in Mexico, she didn't make it up.
A mask mandate during a deadly pandemic is not a breach of civil rights in my book.
It's just common sense. The govt has a duty of care to its population as a whole.
All humans are potential virus carriers so you have to act as one group to protect the individual.
The mask is no big deal and I'm glad my fellow citizens wear one.
I'm not sure what evidence you want the numbers of infected and dead are understated anyway.
All the govt data are evidence through testing nd testing is 80 to 85 % accurate.

Detaining someone restriction of movement and limiting time outside absolutely is a breach of liberties. The numbers state there have been no more deaths worldwide in 19 than 2020 and the people dying are at life expectancy same as any other year.
Of course humans are virus carriers. Your DNA and immune system is literally made up of old virus fragments. Bacteria also exists everywhere. The notion thou that healthy people are somehow spreading a virus through corridors and air vents in cars or in the sweat droplets of joggers is absurd.
Masks back last March were unscientificly proven yet now there mandatory. Masks are used in a highly sterile environment and worn carefully and changed like in an operating theatre. Not randomly worn in society out of someone's pocket or all day. They are next to useless.
Hopefully your sisters well but you offered nothing else. Was she in hospital in ICU or did she get an illness same as millions do every year.
Also of course severity matters. Many on this board have been ill or lost people. Difference is we don't want everything shut or demand the government solve every single problem. As to the rules they are arbitrary inconsistent make no sense and are out of line with public health measures. How does packing out a Bunnings yet not been allowed outside prevent a virus spread? If you honestly can't see that you're too far gone and are naive in your trust of big government business and msm

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

This shit just keeps becoming funnier as each day goes by.

I'm sure some people will praise the parents for keeping their kids safe.

 

[Catfish Alley]

My kids are back in swimming. The instructor does it from the side of the pool though so parents have to help out in the water. Not with masks though.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

132km from Melbourne this photo was taken.

May as well jump off the cliff if you cant keep a safe distance while being outside in the fresh air .

 

[Catfish Alley]

For sure. Was chatting to my Mum last night. Apparently they have to wear a mask in the supermarket now because of something to do with the Australian Open 300km away.

 

[Steele13]

My sister got it in Mexico, she didn't make it up.
A mask mandate during a deadly pandemic is not a breach of civil rights in my book.
It's just common sense. The govt has a duty of care to its population as a whole.
All humans are potential virus carriers so you have to act as one group to protect the individual.
The mask is no big deal and I'm glad my fellow citizens wear one.
I'm not sure what evidence you want the numbers of infected and dead are understated anyway.
All the govt data are evidence through testing nd testing is 80 to 85 % accurate.

This is kind of true, but only to a degree. The analogy is used constantly, but if we're talking about safety, wouldn't speed limits be reduced massively, junk food, alcohol, cigarettes all be banned.
What have they done in the past year to keep the population safe? Have they made more hospitals, trained more nurses? Made any kind of sensible, proportional decision to a virus which is all but harmless to the vast majority of the population?
And on safety, you and I might have different standards. In my opinion, thrusting the biggest social experiment the world has ever seen on an unsuspecting population, without any serious regard or thought for the short and long term impacts in a variety of areas, could be seen as at best unsafe and reckless by the government.

 

[burge13]

Switzerland bans AstraZeneca vaccine for ALL citizens

SWITZERLAND has made a shock move not to approve the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for use in its roll out of Covid jabs.

www.express.co.uk

Switzerland bans AstraZenica vaccine for all citizens, with the Swiss medical regulator claiming there was a lack of data on efficacy.

Adds to France, Germany, Poland, Italy and Sweden advising against using it over a certain age.

If these countries are imposing harsh lockdowns while waiting for vaccine data then they're plain evil. Either use the vaccine other countries are using OR let people get back on with it. You can't force people into giving up their life

Note when I say 'use the vaccine' it should still be a choice. Don't just ban it altogether whilst still imposing insane lockdown measures and restrictions