Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Just the dodgiest of dodgy sources here. Seriously it's a crime that you're allowed to pedal this crap. Remember when you got small pox? remember when you got polio? Of course you fking don't because they were eradicated because of vaccines. One of the greatest miracles of the modern age but now we have tin hat morons linking them to Bill Gates quest to sterlilize the world and similar levels of fear mongering.

 

[Spitty_the_alpaca]

 

[Lethal Knights]

There's no doubt the vaccines helped eradicate it, but the rushed experimental vaccines initially pushed onto children caused lifelong adverse effects and deaths. Then Gate's experimental polio vaccine he was using in Africa cases outbreaks after it was supposed to be officially eradicated.

So there are lessons there, that ole mate probably didn't realise when he raved about it, that compare to our rushed, experimental, poorly tested injection of genetically modified organisms (Gate's direct quote there) the government want to roll out.

Brilliant stuff BlueE. Your research, stats and information throughout this thread have been fantastic.

Don’t expect anyone to actually take the time to fully read it and challenge it bc they can’t and won’t. It takes time and effort to do that and people are scared.

 

[Spitty_the_alpaca]

 

[BlueE]

Brilliant stuff BlueE. Your research, stats and information throughout this thread have been fantastic.

Don’t expect anyone to actually take the time to fully read it and challenge it bc they can’t and won’t. It takes time and effort to do that and people are scared.

Thanks Lethal, I've just been criticised elsewhere for not playing the ball (laughing so hard they cry, emoji), would have been more accurate to say hogging the ball!

I don't think it's because people are scared, as we've seen, some put blind trust into what they are told and question nothing, so don't bother. Or it's too hard to read or understand, and some of the original published research has been diabolical.

However I think it's important if anyone wants get an idea of what's really going on, is to read this post and the three links (two from highly respected experts and the other on the first study to test vaccines for effectiveness and safety when the person is given SARS CoV 2, that's never been done with humans before- no it wasn't done in any of the three approved vaccines) at vaccines to in it.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/coronavirus-2.1252045/reply?quote=68802933

 

[BlueE]

I don't usually post these but this seems to be a good summary from Europe of huge numbers of aged care residents dying after getting the vaccine. What has happened from the beginning, is that many of these deaths are being called a "co-incidence" and won't be recorded as connected to the vaccine.

ARe we crazy?? Where is all the concern about killing grandma now?

46 residents in Spanish nursing home die after receiving COVID-19 vaccine - LifeSite

Health authorities have reportedly halted the administering of the second shot of Pfizer’s vaccine

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[Venkman]

I don't usually post these but this seems to be a good summary from Europe of huge numbers of aged care residents dying after getting the vaccine. What has happened from the beginning, is that many of these deaths are being called a "co-incidence" and won't be recorded as connected to the vaccine.

ARe we crazy?? Where is all the concern about killing grandma now?

46 residents in Spanish nursing home die after receiving COVID-19 vaccine - LifeSite

Health authorities have reportedly halted the administering of the second shot of Pfizer’s vaccine

www.lifesitenews.com

That's from an anti-abortion site with no mention of a methology or data source, it's as dodgy as you'll get. Look anyone who knows a nurse that works in aged care or palliative care will tell you these places are full of people about to die - my sister on her first night of placement (training) had to give a pain relief injection that likely killed the patient. It's a very difficult area to quantify causation based on hearsay; for a better picture look at Israel - they've already vaxed the whole country and they are publishing real data.

 

[burge13]

Look anyone who knows a nurse that works in aged care or palliative care will tell you these places are full of people about to die -

Yep. Yet when they die of covid its cause to shut entire cities down for a year.

Then when they die of the "cure" its ok, they were going to anyway

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

That's from an anti-abortion site with no mention of a methology or data source, it's as dodgy as you'll get. Look anyone who knows a nurse that works in aged care or palliative care will tell you these places are full of people about to die - my sister on her first night of placement (training) had to give a pain relief injection that likely killed the patient. It's a very difficult area to quantify causation based on hearsay; for a better picture look at Israel - they've already vaxed the whole country and they are publishing real data.

“[The] vaccinated and those people who have had the virus will be able to go to gyms, concerts, hotels, synagogues from Sunday,” the minister stated, as he discussed the impact of Israel’s green pass’ system which comes into force on February 21.

Israel’s health minister has confirmed the country proposes to stop unvaccinated people from working in certain jobs but failed to elaborate on what they might be, adding anyone found forging vaccine certificates will be jailed.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/02/19/israel-proposes-to-introduce-no-jab-no-job-scheme/

Sounds like it's being done by force in Israel.

All of those thing are illegal to force on the public.

 

[Venkman]

Yep. Yet when they die of covid its cause to shut entire cities down for a year.

Then when they die of the "cure" its ok, they were going to anyway

Well there's no evidence that the cure is doing anything but there is that covid would wipe out a cancer ward, or anyone on immuno suppressants etc. It's a hard thing for some people to understand but vaccination is basically a way of protecting the vulnerable as a lot of people can't take vaccination so the heard immunity protects them - this is the problem with these 'but I'm healthy enough to take covid' kind of things. It's more about protecting the vulnerable than you personally. You might be on to something though in the overall wash up - should we have closed down cities or just let it rip, that's a different argument. The vaccine may very well have problems but the bs 'sources' used here so far are no substitute for scientific literature.

 

[Venkman]

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/02/19/israel-proposes-to-introduce-no-jab-no-job-scheme/

Sounds like it's being done by force in Israel.

All of those thing are illegal to force on the public.

we'll be doing this here as well. Travel, education etc

 

[burge13]

Well there's no evidence that the cure is doing anything but there is that covid would wipe out a cancer ward, or anyone on immuno suppressants etc. It's a hard thing for some people to understand but vaccination is basically a way of protecting the vulnerable as a lot of people can't take vaccination so the heard immunity protects them - this is the problem with these 'but I'm healthy enough to take covid' kind of things. It's more about protecting the vulnerable than you personally. You might be on to something though in the overall wash up - should we have closed down cities or just let it rip, that's a different argument. The vaccine may very well have problems but the bs 'sources' used here so far are no substitute for scientific literature.

Im not having vaccine arguments, it should be free of choice rather than forced though.

My whole thing with covid arguments is the zero justification of lockdowns for something where the average age of death is higher than life expectancy. That is ****ing mental and after a couple months we had the data to prove most people could carry on as normal with "letting rip" as in that wouldnt have bern that dangerous. The money we have spent (wasted) on covid could have kept everyone in work and protecting the vulnerable, not harming literally everyone to save 1% of people who are statistically not lasting much longer anyway.

This idea that opening up would have wiped out 30% of people or whatever fear mongering nonsense covid cheerleaders peddle is wrong. Unfortunately it isnt them paying the bill, they continue to get jobseeker. Others lose jobs etc and get told by lifes losers "just a few more weeks" for an entire year when we could have been normal months ago if not for their fear keeping states premiers polls in their favour...

 

[Lethal Knights]

Just the dodgiest of dodgy sources here. Seriously it's a crime that you're allowed to pedal this crap. Remember when you got small pox? remember when you got polio? Of course you fking don't because they were eradicated because of vaccines. One of the greatest miracles of the modern age but now we have tin hat morons linking them to Bill Gates quest to sterlilize the world and similar levels of fear mongering.

You’re not trying to compare Covid to small pox and polio surely.
Ultimately we don’t know what long term impacts the mRNA vaccines will have or how effective they will be. And for them to be coerced or forced on the younger population where the mortality rate is 0.02% and diminishes the younger you get is absurd.
The world is in trial now and we don’t know the effects of what will happen over the next 1-2 years.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

we'll be doing this here as well. Travel, education etc

How bout we have a concept where people who've been vaccinated are not allowed to travel or have access to shops ?.

It's still unknown if vaccinated people will stop spreading covid, So surely it's only fair to deny them because of how dangerous they'll be to public health & causing more outbreaks ?.

 

[Crankitup]

NYC Waitress Fired For Refusing COVID Vaccine Over Fertility Concerns | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

A waitress in New York City has been fired after telling her boss that she didn’t want to take the new COVID vaccine at this time because she is trying to get pregnant and has concerns about potential fertility issues.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Marcel Proust]

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2 kids die every minute from polio and the vaccine invented in the 50s..

 

[Crankitup]

Wuhan Lab *Was* Cause Of COVID-19, Claims Award-Winning Scientist in New Study Citing 600 Pieces of Evidence. - The National Pulse

A new study from renowned University of Hamburg researcher Roland Wiesendanger concludes the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the “cause” of COVID-19. The February study argues against two prevailing theories that COVID-19 was transmitted to humans either via a wet market or a lab accident. “To...

thenationalpulse.com

 

[Lethal Knights]

Im not having vaccine arguments, it should be free of choice rather than forced though.

My whole thing with covid arguments is the zero justification of lockdowns for something where the average age of death is higher than life expectancy. That is ******* mental and after a couple months we had the data to prove most people could carry on as normal with "letting rip" as in that wouldnt have bern that dangerous. The money we have spent (wasted) on covid could have kept everyone in work and protecting the vulnerable, not harming literally everyone to save 1% of people who are statistically not lasting much longer anyway.

This idea that opening up would have wiped out 30% of people or whatever fear mongering nonsense covid cheerleaders peddle is wrong. Unfortunately it isnt them paying the bill, they continue to get jobseeker. Others lose jobs etc and get told by lifes losers "just a few more weeks" for an entire year when we could have been normal months ago if not for their fear keeping states premiers polls in their favour...

I’d like to see a peer review paper on the evidence Lockdowns benefit society.
Has there been any done?

 

[Steele13]

I’d like to see a peer review paper on the evidence Lockdowns benefit society.
Has there been any done?

No. Because you'd need to have a control group and a lockdown group. Lockdown group would be considered immoral and you couldn't conduct the experiment

 

[BlueE]

That's from an anti-abortion site with no mention of a methology or data source, it's as dodgy as you'll get. Look anyone who knows a nurse that works in aged care or palliative care will tell you these places are full of people about to die - my sister on her first night of placement (training) had to give a pain relief injection that likely killed the patient. It's a very difficult area to quantify causation based on hearsay; for a better picture look at Israel - they've already vaxed the whole country and they are publishing real data.

It's a collation of reports, a couple of which I recognise from being posted on here. The sources are in the article, which is why I posted it. You need to look past your prejudices when the main stream news almost always doesn't investigate, or report these. There's no doubt about the data sources, but many questions should be asked how almost all of these deaths are called a "co-incidence" despite being affected within hours of days of the vaccine. Deaths from COVID could be classified without a test, just using symptoms within 28 days of having symptoms and WHO stated any patients with pneumonia should be classified as COVID-19.

Also on this thread are links to Johns Hopkins analysis of classifications of death showing the decreases in respiratory, influenza, pneumonia, heart attacks and strokes in 2020 was equal to the increase in deaths from COVID-19. SO yes, there need to be a thorough study and comparison of methodology of how these deaths are being classified and why only now there is "death by co-incidence".

German specialists probing 10 deaths of people vaccinated against Covid-19

Berlin [Germany], January 15 (ANI/Sputnik): Specialists from Germany's Paul Ehrlich Institute are looking into the deaths of 10 people who passed away soon after having been inoculated against the novel coronavirus disease, Brigitte Keller-Stanislawski, the head of the institute's department of...

www.aninews.in

https://www.en24news.com/e/2021/02/22-elderly-people-die-from-an-outbreak-of-covid-19-in-a-cadiz-residence-which-already-leaves-103-infected.html

29 elderly Norwegians died after taking Pfizer COVID jab - should we be worried?

One of Australia's leading vaccine experts says the deaths are likely just a "coincidence".

7news.com.au

Elf Todesfälle im Seniorenwohnpark: Laut Bürgermeister ein „tragischer Zufall“ und ohne Zusammenhang zum Impftermin

Elf von 41 Bewohnern eines Seniorenheims in Uhldingen-Mühlhofen, die am 31. Dezember gegen Corona geimpft wurden, sind seitdem an oder mit Covid-19 gestorben. Wie die Gesundheitsbehörde im Landratsamt, schließt auch der Bürgermeister der Gemeinde einen Zusammenhang zwischen Impfung und...

www.suedkurier.de

Basingstoke care home records 22 deaths in three weeks in one of UK's worst Covid-19 outbreaks

At least twenty-two people have died at a Basingstoke care home in one of the worst known outbreaks of the coronavirus pandemic to date, the Gazette…

www.basingstokegazette.co.uk

COVID-19 strikes Swedish care home despite vaccination - Xinhua | English.news.cn

Fact check: Vaccine not linked to COVID-19 deaths in Gibraltar

The claim that coronavirus deaths in Gibraltar have been caused by the vaccine, not the virus, has been shared on social media. This claim is false.

www.reuters.com

4,500 people diagnosed with COVID after getting 1st vaccine dose

Health Ministry official warns one vaccine dose is not enough to prevent COVID-19 infection as morbidity continues to rise.

www.israelnationalnews.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/sherbrooke-community-centre-saskatoon-1.5882719

Seven Residents at Montreal Care Home Get COVID-19 After Receiving First Vaccine Dose

www.theepochtimes.com

First care home to receive vaccine in Scotland hit with new Covid outbreak

Experts say the outbreak proves the vaccine is not enough to end the pandemic on its own.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Covid infects 35 vaccinated staff and residents at care home

Residents of Meallmore Lodge have already had their first round of vaccine.

news.stv.tv

COVID-19 Vaccine Info - UK Medical Freedom Alliance

We have put together referenced information for the public and medical professionals, to aid the process of Informed Consent.

www.ukmedfreedom.org

The UK Medical Freedom Alliance – a group of doctors, scientists, lawyers and other professionals who advocate for informed consent in the United Kingdom – published an urgent open letter calling for an immediate audit of the deaths following vaccination in the U.K.

The group refers to graphs showing a surge in care home deaths and cites data from the Office for National Statistics that residents’ deaths tripled in the two weeks between 8th and 22nd January 2021 at a time when there was a massive increase in the rate of vaccinations in care homes.

Similar graphs for Israel, Ireland, Bahrain and Jordan show a similar correlation.

Do you have data for Israel? They consented to be guinea pigs (provide the anonymised age, sex and demographic data of vaccinated people) for Pfizer in return for accelerated access to their injection. Starting in the last week in December they claim to have vaccinated 48% of their popn of 9 million after 5 weeks.

The data showed that to date, 4,500 people have been diagnosed with the coronavirus after having received the first vaccine dose, of whom 375 have been hospitalized due to the disease.

Dr. Elrai-Price noted that 17% of the severely ill patients who are currently hospitalized are patients who received a first dose of the vaccine before their hospitalization.

Of those hospitalized, 244 were hospitalized in the first week after their vaccination. 124 in the second week and seven more than 15 days from when they received the vaccine.

"The number of verified cases has reached a new high, we have passed the point of 9,000 positive tests. There has never been such a figure," said Dr. Elrai-Price.

"The British mutation is spreading in the community, not just in people who have returned from England. There is no doubt that part of the increase in morbidity is due to the mutation," Elrai-Price added, clarifying that the morbidity rates would not be brought down quickly.

Israel’s vaccine rollout has been fast, so why is it controversial and what can other countries learn?

Israel is vaccinating its population at an impressive rate and sharing the data with the world. But at what price?

theconversation.com

I found more information on worldometer updated to the 20th February 2021.

Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

"The British mutation is spreading in the community, not just in people who have returned from England. There is no doubt that part of the increase in morbidity is due to the mutation," Elrai-Price added, clarifying that the morbidity rates would not be brought down quickly.

 

[M Malice]

 

[BlueE]

No. Because you'd need to have a control group and a lockdown group. Lockdown group would be considered immoral and you couldn't conduct the experiment

Literally most countries in the world have been subjected to lockdown, it's much harder to find countries that haven't. There've been many COVID 19 comparisons to Sweden which didn't lock down, different states in the US that did or didn't lockdown, which shows the states that didn't having less deaths and then places like India which showed a normal bell curve death rate, similar to a flu season and many times less deaths per million that US and UK.

Doesn't consider increase in deaths from suicide, cancers and lack of screenings for other diseases or from surgeries being cancelled.

This is an interesting thread looking at lockdowns.

 

[BlueE]

Did he go through the whole interview without saying what the drug was?

IVM? meta data analysis of 14,800 patients showed 100% positive results.

89% improvement as a prophylaxis
83% improvement with early treatment
78% lower mortality

https://ivmmeta.com/

 

[BlueE]

 

[Venkman]

How bout we have a concept where people who've been vaccinated are not allowed to travel or have access to shops ?.

It's still unknown if vaccinated people will stop spreading covid, So surely it's only fair to deny them because of how dangerous they'll be to public health & causing more outbreaks ?.

It wont happen. If you're unvaccinated you'll be taking your chances.