Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[BlueE]

Old, obese type 2 diabetics, the driver for high death toll from COVID 19 in Britain. Who knew?

Obesity identified as driver of Britain’s Covid death toll

Britain’s dire Covid-19 death rate is partly the result of obesity, according to a report that the World Health Organisation says is a “wake-up call” to the ove

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[BlueE]

Brazil variant
Russia variant
Malaysia variant
Mars variant
Intergalactic variant

How ludicrous does it have to get before the sheep ignore such utter bollocks. Hawkie? Still shitting yourself over these or...?

Variants are only minor changes that happen all the time with viruses and make no difference to how the immune system creates immunity. SARS CoV 1 is about 80% similar and studies show that it provides immunity after 17 years. However if there is panic, it could be because the genetically modified organisms in the injections, may not be programmed to cope with these variations.

 

[Crankitup]

British Government Study Confirms Covid-19 Vaccine Risk: Infections INCREASE in Fortnight after Jab - Updated | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Guest post by Dr Niall McCrae Anyone raising concern about the safety of Covid-19 vaccines faces derision as an ‘anti-vaxxer’, but the real extremists are those who refuse to hear evidence that something is going badly wrong with this mass experimental encroachment on the sanctity of the body.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Fwoy]

Experimental vaccine death rate for Israel’s elderly 40 times higher than COVID-19 deaths: researchers - LifeSite

Pfizer's vaccine killed ‘about 40 times more (elderly) people’ and ‘260 times’ more of the young than ‘what the COVID-19 virus would have claimed in the given time frame.’

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Some good news to start the day, msm will blame some anti vaxer for this incident & say they're placing thousands of lives at risk now.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Who are the people who do these type's of studies is what I want to know .

“COVID-19 conspiracy theorists are simply selfish and are more concerned about their own health and less concerned about the health of others, researchers form the University of Queensland have discovered.”

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Brazil variant
Russia variant
Malaysia variant
Mars variant
Intergalactic variant

How ludicrous does it have to get before the sheep ignore such utter bollocks. Hawkie? Still shitting yourself over these or...?

This is interesting.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Variants are only minor changes that happen all the time with viruses and make no difference to how the immune system creates immunity. SARS CoV 1 is about 80% similar and studies show that it provides immunity after 17 years. However if there is panic, it could be because the genetically modified organisms in the injections, may not be programmed to cope with these variations.

It is clearly defective and not working but On we go

I subscribe to the theory that the best way to sell someone 2 cars is to make sure the first car doesn’t work. Id be staggered if by 2023 Pfizer havnt given 6 to everyone. That would be the corporate plan for sure

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

I can hand you a mask to wear, But you need to wear the mask before I hand you your drink.

 

[maryjames]

 

[MrKK]

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Who are the people who do these type's of studies is what I want to know .

Here's the actual study link. Some interesting stuff in there, but it falls down with a basic assumption about which behaviours are to the benefit of others e.g. it's debateable whether social distancing that reduces spread among low-risk populations is actually a good or bad thing. Ditto for over-sanitizing.

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onlinelibrary.wiley.com

The definition of conspiracy theorist is also very wide. In Wave 1 of the study 40% of participants met the definition.

 

[Venkman]

Experimental vaccine death rate for Israel’s elderly 40 times higher than COVID-19 deaths: researchers - LifeSite

Pfizer's vaccine killed ‘about 40 times more (elderly) people’ and ‘260 times’ more of the young than ‘what the COVID-19 virus would have claimed in the given time frame.’

www.lifesitenews.com

Another garbage post from you - from an anti-abortion website citing hack 're-analysis' of data.

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

The claims
The evidence hasn't deterred peddlers of misinformation. The current claim sweeping the internet is that data from the Israeli Ministry of Health shows the vaccine has killed "40 times more [elderly] people than the disease itself would have killed", and 260 times the number of young people.
It first appeared in a forum post on an Israeli website called Nakim, which describes itself as a "voluntary organisation of citizens via the Internet in order to fight government corruption and return power to the people" which according to French science journalist Jean-Francois Cliche who analysed the claims, "publishes content with a strong conspiratorial content".
The analysis was supposedly done by French scientist Hervé Seligmann, apparently a zoologist formerly of Aix-Marseille University, and self-descried engineer Haim Yativ, who called the reality on the ground in Israel a "new Holocaust".
"The new cases of COVID-19 confirmed daily did not decrease as they do during lockdowns," they claimed according to a report on their findings in French online tabloid France Soir. They also claimed that "severe, critical and fatal cases increased" after the vaccine rollout began, despite the lockdown.

"Our analyses indicate order-of-magnitude increases in mortality rates during the five-week vaccination process, compared to unvaccinated and those after completing the vaccination process."
David Icke. Photo credit: David Icke/Facebook
The claim was picked up by veteran British eccentric David Icke, who last year was booted off most social media sites for spreading COVID-19 misinformation; and celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist Pete Evans, who shared an article about the claims posted by anti-vaccination and anti-fluoridation group Children's Health Defense (the same article appeared on the website LifeSiteNews, founded by a Canadian conservative group to initially oppose abortion, but which has since branched out into publishing "misleading information" according to fact-check site Snopes).
That article has also been sent to Newshub by readers, including one who said it would be a "crime against humanity" not to report it.
The reality
The central claim is that "during the five weeks since the first dose at least 0.05 percent of first dose recipients died". Extrapolated out to a year, this would be a crude population-wide mortality rate of about 0.5 percent - which actually lines up exactly with Israel's annual mortality rate, according to the World Bank.
Cliche, writing for French newspaper Le Soleil, said the tabloid France Soir "has made many scientists cringe in recent months by repeatedly publishing falsehoods about the coronavirus".
"From what I have seen, the statistics presented in [the original post on Nakim] are real. But the use that is made of it is a fine illustration of this scientific maxim that it is with data like people: if we torture them long enough, they end up saying whatever we want," he wrote, according to an automated Google translation.
The data on hospitalisations used in the post were a snapshot on a single day when only half the patients would have had the vaccine more than 14 days beforehand, which is how long it takes for some of its efficacy to kick in, Cliche said; while the death data used in the post covered an entire two-week period - so the claims were comparing "apples with oranges".
The post also claims deaths in Israel rose after the vaccination programme began - which is true, but only because that's when the country's massive second wave hit.
"Israel reached nearly 1000 new cases per million population (seven-day moving average) daily in January," Cliche wrote, so it was "therefore inevitable that mortality from COVID-19 would be concentrated in the past two months, regardless of vaccination efforts".

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Has anyone pointed out the absurdity of government agencies providing grants and funding to a company like AstraZenecca that then fails to deliver the goods that you buy? How weak can you be?

The question no ones asking but should be asked is. Why is vaccination a profitable industry? Its essentially now being defined as some form of community service and community guided event so in that case, why is the ENTIRE situation from start to finish not government controlled? It doesnt really make sense that the military is used to deliver a profit generating good into people from a publically listed company on the share market. Whats next? Military called into Myers after workers go on strike perhaps?

If the government wants to intervene in administering the product , they should also intervene in the supply chain and create it themselves? Quite simply put, if you want to administer the vaccine with military, make the vaccine yourself with zero profit for anyone.

I guess if you want people to trust you, you need to create a scenario that can be unequivocally trusted. We do it in so many areas of our life. Its just a shame the government doesnt follow its own rules

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Another garbage post from you - from an anti-abortion website citing hack 're-analysis' of data.

Stuff

www.newshub.co.nz

The claims
The evidence hasn't deterred peddlers of misinformation. The current claim sweeping the internet is that data from the Israeli Ministry of Health shows the vaccine has killed "40 times more [elderly] people than the disease itself would have killed", and 260 times the number of young people.
It first appeared in a forum post on an Israeli website called Nakim, which describes itself as a "voluntary organisation of citizens via the Internet in order to fight government corruption and return power to the people" which according to French science journalist Jean-Francois Cliche who analysed the claims, "publishes content with a strong conspiratorial content".
The analysis was supposedly done by French scientist Hervé Seligmann, apparently a zoologist formerly of Aix-Marseille University, and self-descried engineer Haim Yativ, who called the reality on the ground in Israel a "new Holocaust".
"The new cases of COVID-19 confirmed daily did not decrease as they do during lockdowns," they claimed according to a report on their findings in French online tabloid France Soir. They also claimed that "severe, critical and fatal cases increased" after the vaccine rollout began, despite the lockdown.

"Our analyses indicate order-of-magnitude increases in mortality rates during the five-week vaccination process, compared to unvaccinated and those after completing the vaccination process."
David Icke. Photo credit: David Icke/Facebook
The claim was picked up by veteran British eccentric David Icke, who last year was booted off most social media sites for spreading COVID-19 misinformation; and celebrity chef and conspiracy theorist Pete Evans, who shared an article about the claims posted by anti-vaccination and anti-fluoridation group Children's Health Defense (the same article appeared on the website LifeSiteNews, founded by a Canadian conservative group to initially oppose abortion, but which has since branched out into publishing "misleading information" according to fact-check site Snopes).
That article has also been sent to Newshub by readers, including one who said it would be a "crime against humanity" not to report it.
The reality
The central claim is that "during the five weeks since the first dose at least 0.05 percent of first dose recipients died". Extrapolated out to a year, this would be a crude population-wide mortality rate of about 0.5 percent - which actually lines up exactly with Israel's annual mortality rate, according to the World Bank.
Cliche, writing for French newspaper Le Soleil, said the tabloid France Soir "has made many scientists cringe in recent months by repeatedly publishing falsehoods about the coronavirus".
"From what I have seen, the statistics presented in [the original post on Nakim] are real. But the use that is made of it is a fine illustration of this scientific maxim that it is with data like people: if we torture them long enough, they end up saying whatever we want," he wrote, according to an automated Google translation.
The data on hospitalisations used in the post were a snapshot on a single day when only half the patients would have had the vaccine more than 14 days beforehand, which is how long it takes for some of its efficacy to kick in, Cliche said; while the death data used in the post covered an entire two-week period - so the claims were comparing "apples with oranges".
The post also claims deaths in Israel rose after the vaccination programme began - which is true, but only because that's when the country's massive second wave hit.
"Israel reached nearly 1000 new cases per million population (seven-day moving average) daily in January," Cliche wrote, so it was "therefore inevitable that mortality from COVID-19 would be concentrated in the past two months, regardless of vaccination efforts".

I love the speed which people want to talk about population wide mortality when it comes to the vaccination but not the virus. The sample size for the entirety of this situation is so small its barely worth mentioning but in a sense thats also the problem. If a core worldwide rollout has a sample size and a undefined result, that isnt a good thing or something you can ignore.

Can you please go through each countries mortality rate in 1993 and 2020 please? After that can you explain why in 1993 a much more severe viral strain ran wild without intervention but in 2020 it didnt? Im desperate for the answer you are all unwilling to give

 

[burge13]

Risk free money for pharma

Can't be held accountable for the troubles their product causes people
The government gives grants and helps fund them then pays way over the odds for the product once it's ready
The government then receives no profits for this. Pharma walks away with billions

What a good scheme for everyone who isn't the general public

 

[Venkman]

I love the speed which people want to talk about population wide mortality when it comes to the vaccination but not the virus

Can you please go through each countries mortality rate in 1993 and 2020 please? After that can you explain why in 1993 a much more severe viral strain ran wild without intervention but in 2020 it didnt? Im desperate for the answer you are all unwilling to give

The point is that this ' analysis' is literally Pete Evans level crap. I'm perfectly happy for you to talk about 'population wide mortality' in relation to the virus. It's an absolutely stupid metric to use when referring to a vaccine that is being implemented in its early stages. I'm not unwilling to give an answer: you might be right. You might be right about '93 vs 2020, you might be right about the over reaction to covid, it may not be as bad as made out. The anti-vax info cited here is dodgy, is my point. It keeps being posted here and it all comes from the same highly discredited sources.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Is this how "Government Science" works?

I reject your reality and substitute it for my own.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Risk free money for pharma

Can't be held accountable for the troubles their product causes people
The government gives grants and helps fund them then pays way over the odds for the product once it's ready
The government then receives no profits for this. Pharma walks away with billions

What a good scheme for everyone who isn't the general public

You ignored the key component mate

-The government gives grants and helps fund them then pays way over the odds for the product once it's ready
-Big pharma then pays out massive bribes, political donations to the tunes of billions of dollars to permanently fund the poltical parties, there familes, their post political interests.

Its not like this is a secret either. The thing is big pharma isnt all that well organised and quite often gets caught out going too far. Only so many dead bodies you can accumulate before people see it and question the situation. The other issue is they are just not organised enough either, which is really a arrogance thing I think. I mean why hide your crimes, when you cant be charged for committing them?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The point is that this ' analysis' is literally Pete Evans level crap. I'm perfectly happy for you to talk about 'population wide mortality' in relation to the virus. It's an absolutely stupid metric to use when referring to a vaccine that is being implemented in its early stages. I'm not unwilling to give an answer: you might be right. You might be right about '93 vs 2020, you might be right about the over reaction to covid, it may not be as bad as made out. The anti-vax info cited here is dodgy, is my point. It keeps being posted here and it all comes from the same highly discredited sources.

Umm you are providing similar analysis though. You are complaining about the information which is barely the point. The true and core issue is the sample size is so inept, the trial and research so completely and utterly non existant that we as a global society need to define the situation ourselves.

My issue with your posts is you are denying a concept, and not countering it with a alternative. The reason is because there isnt any. Read the trial documentation. Its full of wild baseless guesses and good intentions. Nothing proven, nothing formally illustrated, ****ing hell mate, they dont even know what the dosage size should be and you want us to think and believe the situation is defined and theories cant and shouldnt exist? Please

If you dont want people to question your product, define it. Thats not Pete Evans level shit, thats just basic human consumption shit. I dont want to be a part of the creation of a definition of a product myself and a metric to define its success. Much in the same way I dont get into a car whose brakes may or may not work and be the person who discovers the answer. I dont want to discover what a injection does or doesnt do and in reality neither do you. You just dont want to admit/want to deny that this is what is happening. Im not too sure why. You need to find your own reason for that mindset

 

[Venkman]

Umm you are providing similar analysis though. You are complaining about the information which is barely the point. The true and core issue is the sample size is so inept, the trial and research so completely and utterly non existant that we as a global society need to define the situation ourselves.

My issue with your posts is you are denying a concept, and not countering it with a alternative. The reason is because there isnt any. Read the trial documentation. Its full of wild baseless guesses and good intentions. Nothing proven, nothing formally illustrated, ******* hell mate, they dont even know what the dosage size should be and you want us to think and believe the situation is defined and theories cant and shouldnt exist? Please

If you dont want people to question your product, define it. Thats not Pete Evans level sh*t, thats just basic human consumption sh*t. I dont want to be a part of the creation of a definition of a product myself and a metric to define its success. Much in the same way I dont get into a car whose brakes may or may not work and be the person who discovers the answer. I dont want to discover what a injection does or doesnt do and in reality neither do you. You just dont want to admit/want to deny that this is what is happening. Im not too sure why. You need to find your own reason for that mindset

You need to work conceptually to understand the reasons why thinks present how they do. Why is information like the above being posted? It's because it comes from US sources that have a very specific viewpoint, in this case the far right anti-abortian Christian lobby has somehow found common ground with the anti-vax community. You need to question the why as well as the how. The data that is being presented is growing in terms of sample sizes and in the case of Israel will be huge and you can draw your observations based on that - same with US data. Vaccines are being rolled out on a huge scale, you'll get huge amounts of data to look at - why look at obscure and discredited sources from US anti-vax sites.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You need to work conceptually to understand the reasons why thinks present how they do. Why is information like the above being posted? It's because it comes from US sources that have a very specific viewpoint, in this case the far right anti-abortian Christian lobby has somehow found common ground with the anti-vax community. You need to question the why as well as the how. The data that is being presented is growing in terms of sample sizes and in the case of Israel will be huge and you can draw your observations based on that - same with US data. Vaccines are being rolled out on a huge scale, you'll get huge amounts of data to look at - why look at obscure and discredited sources from US anti-vax sites.

Israel as a sample size? I dont even think it makes up 0.01% of the population. It has 9 million people and a ageing population to boot You also are absolutely blind to trust the Israeli govt. I doubt there is many worse when it comes to being trustworthy. Its pretty much on North Korea levels.

You dont think the print media has a specific viewpoint? Have you seen the normal US media? Have you seen just how much pharma fund the US media outlets?. It makes up about 40% of all advertisements. You expect Fox News to ****ing tell you bad news about the pharma industry? They would be cutting 40% of there revenue in 1 article if they dare did. You are claiming a biased agenda for Christian lobby groups, why the hell would we not have a biased agenda from media companies who are given money by the pharma industry? A biased opinion exists in every facet of life. Im not the one pretending its only on one side of the scenario. That is you

Once again though, you are not listening. Why are we drawing ****ing observations for? DEFINE YOUR PRODUCT before you administer it. I should have nothing to observe. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? I dont look for the new Subraru WRX and ask "Does it drive in a straight line" as a concept. Its a proven concept and defined in the warranty of the product. When it comes to injecting yourself with something you are not applying the same standards why?? I cant grasp it myself

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Such a good video.

Really like this concept too. People are so afraid to die, they forgot to live

Ours is a society of death denial. From its hiding away of corpses' to its fetish of youthfulness to its warehousing of old people in nursing homes

Against the backdrop of the program of control death denial and the separate self the assumption that public policy should seek to minimize the number of deaths is nearly beyond question, a goal to which other values like play, freedom etc. are subordinate

Covid-19 offers occasion to broaden that view. Yes let us hold life sacred, more sacred then ever, death teaches us that

Let us hold each person young or old sick or well as the sacred precious beloved being that they are. And in the circle of our hearts let us make room for other sacred values too. To hold life sacred it not just to live long, it is to live well, right and fully

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Can Venk and co address the dog balls issue

22 suicides a day in 2019 were visited by the London health services, 37 now. Why do you flat out refuse to count these deaths as having any meaning?

 

[Venkman]

Israel as a sample size? I dont even think it makes up 0.01% of the population. It has 9 million people and a ageing population to boot You also are absolutely blind to trust the Israeli govt. I doubt there is many worse when it comes to being trustworthy. Its pretty much on North Korea levels.

You dont think the print media has a specific viewpoint? Have you seen the normal US media? Have you seen just how much pharma fund the US media outlets?. It makes up about 40% of all advertisements. You expect Fox News to ******* tell you bad news about the pharma industry? They would be cutting 40% of there revenue in 1 article if they dare did. You are claiming a biased agenda for Christian lobby groups, why the hell would we not have a biased agenda from media companies who are given money by the pharma industry? A biased opinion exists in every facet of life. Im not the one pretending its only on one side of the scenario. That is you

Once again though, you are not listening. Why are we drawing ******* observations for? DEFINE YOUR PRODUCT before you administer it. I should have nothing to observe. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? I dont look for the new Subraru WRX and ask "Does it drive in a straight line" as a concept. Its a proven concept and defined in the warranty of the product. When it comes to injecting yourself with something you are not applying the same standards why?? I cant grasp it myself

Can Venk and co address the dog balls issue

22 suicides a day in 2019 were visited by the London health services, 37 now. Why do you flat out refuse to count these deaths as having any meaning?

Again, I don't really disagree with most of what you are saying here. You are right to question the motivations of print media, big pharma and nation states but when you are talking about a response to a pandemic you are currently seeing an effective response to the problem, you can throw up as many straw men as you want but the current legit scientific information looks that way. During World II the US military industrial complex swung into action with all its odious and nefarious associations (they built the atom bomb ffs) but they won the war. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Your questioning of the real lethality of covid vs the public health response is valid and, like you I suspect, I don't know - if it kills 1% over a huge population that seems like a lot and it seems like something we will only fully know looking at overall mortality statistics over a period of time. I also don't disregard your concern about suicides - it may well be the case that lockdowns cause more harm than they are worth - I don't know. Again, I am really drawing attention to the dodgy reposting here from very questionable sources.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Again, I don't really disagree with most of what you are saying here. You are right to question the motivations of print media, big pharma and nation states but when you are talking about a response to a pandemic you are currently seeing an effective response to the problem, you can throw up as many straw men as you want but the current legit scientific information looks that way. During World II the US military industrial complex swung into action with all its odious and nefarious associations (they built the atom bomb ffs) but they won the war. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Your questioning of the real lethality of covid vs the public health response is valid and, like you I suspect, I don't know - if it kills 1% over a huge population that seems like a lot and it seems like something we will only fully know looking at overall mortality statistics over a period of time. I also don't disregard your concern about suicides - it may well be the case that lockdowns cause more harm than they are worth - I don't know. Again, I am really drawing attention to the dodgy reposting here from very questionable sources.

They cant even legitimise the ****ing dosage amount? What is legit about this? I just dont comprehend how you got to the legit information part. Every sign and every thing available points to zero legitimacy in everything occurring. In the history of mankind we have never had a more undefined product enter the market place. Calling any part of this process legit is nonsense

How can something undefined by legitimate ffs?