Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[No SPIN]

You need to explain why China creating and spreading the virus is a inconsequential act. I’m just lost as to why you think they are perfect. Can you give some context

go back and read our discussion a few days ago - where I explained comprehensively why China would lose far more than it gained by releasing the virus - and therefore it’s a completely illogical theory.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I could see an argument for why the US would want to hobble its potential rival though

So China has more economic morals then the US Or something. That’s a big leap. I mean cmon, how can a economy outpacing the world not be a positive for them? Like I need a reason here.

 

[Hawk Dork]

So China has more economic morals then the US Or something. That’s a big leap. I mean cmon, how can a economy outpacing the world not be a positive for them? Like I need a reason here.

Im sure you could mount an argument for both sides of that argument

Economically it makes more sense for the US to try and hobble China than it does for China to hobble its customers though

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The vax for the flu is not as effective as the Ronna vaxes
Maybe that may change with the new knowledge we got developing the ronna vaxes

I wouldn’t argue that but you need to accept one word. Maybe

If you want to plan the worlds futures on plan A and a maybe then you are in for a bad time really

 

[Hawk Dork]

I wouldn’t argue that but you need to accept one word. Maybe

If you want to plan the worlds futures on plan A and a maybe then you are in for a bad time really

No one will ever know
But one theory is totally illogical

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No one will ever know
But one theory is totally illogical

A treatment plan ahead of a vaccine isn’t a theory. It’s a proven concept

Wiping a virus out with a so called vaccine only which requires double doses after a 12 month creation time is the unproven theory here. If something has never been achieved before in our history, why do we assume it’s logical?

 

[No SPIN]

Soooo many reasons. I guess the true answer is. If China’s economy outpaced Us by 11 percent and EU by 15 percent, why would this not be a benefit?

I kind of feel like you are questioning basic economic principles here and I can’t really argue back if you won’t accept them

China’s economy has been outpacing the world for 20 years - it’s a BS explanation.
And I previously supplied you an article outlining how companies are now moving manufacturing out of China - and therefore they are losing jobs. Which will impact their economy in the long term, not to mention impact economic co-operation and investment.
So it’s a pretty stupid theory.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

China’s economy has been outpacing the world for 20 years - it’s a BS explanation.
And I previously supplied you an article outlining how companies are now moving manufacturing out of China - and therefore they are losing jobs. Which will impact their economy in the long term, not to mention impact economic co-operation and investment.
So it’s a pretty stupid theory.

Happy for you to show the year it outpaced it by 13 percent. Based on your logic if Bulldogs won by 1 point it’s the same as them winning by 120? Should just get rid of percentages then as the margin of victory has no logic? Everything we do in life is based on margins and percentage. Except for China it seems

 

[No SPIN]

Your customer base doesn’t matter when it’s gigantic. Based on this concept McDonalds should stop selling Big Macs because 50,000 of its customer base despises or something

Big business works differently than you think. Stop treating it like a mom and pop store with 12 customers

give me a reason Pfizer would want to intentionally kill people - what’s their motivation, how does that make them a better company, how does it give them more profit.

 

[No SPIN]

Happy for you to show the year it outpaced it by 13 percent. Based on your logic if Bulldogs won by 1 point it’s the same as them winning by 120? Should just get rid of percentages then as the margin of victory has no logic? Everything we do in life is based on margins and percentage. Except for China it seems

it’s an irrelevant single stat-China have long term 50 year plans.
They don’t care about a short term stat - you need to prove their long term benefit in releasing COVID.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

give me a reason Pfizer would want to intentionally kill people - what’s their motivation, how does that make them a better company, how does it give them more profit.

What was the intention behind selling opioids based on false statements leading to a health crisis responible for 75,000 deaths in the US last year?

 

[Bender20]

It will be
In Australia its incompetent roll out of the vaccine by the feds that will keep us locked down longer than we should be.
The virus has got out by unvaxed Drs and Nurses dealing with OS arrivals in quarantine

We should have taken advantage of our elimination and started bubbles with vaxed nations
Resumed our multi billion dollar education industry and fruit pickers

Yet the UK will start lifting the lockdown in May, they will allow no more than 6 people gather.

What vaxxed nations are you talking about ?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Total moronic Rubbish

When everyone is vaxed there will eventually be no need for masks

Israel is keeping masks after major vaxing for protection from potential arrivals with variants
They just dont know and are being cautious


Time and vaxing will either stop the variants or the variants will require a tweak of the vax

Do you think this jab is a once only jab or do you think this will be a yearly thing which in turn will have the governments around the world implementing restrictions and lockdowns forever whilst running vaccine campaigns year in year out because people don't back up with regular vaccine jabs for which they will eventually have to pony up cash for.

You can't live life like this, it's a waste of time.

 

[burge13]

14 months into "2 weeks to flatten the curve" and people still trust the "experts".

Billion "super contagious" variants that were disproved and people still trust the "experts"

Failed lockdowns with quite literally zero proof it works (if it didnt, we wouldnt need to lock down again) and people still trust the "experts"

At what point will people question the idiocy

 

[No SPIN]

What was the intention behind selling opioids based on false statements leading to a health crisis responible for 75,000 deaths in the US last year?

source for the 75,000 deaths?

And are we seriously comparing this to mass Global depopulation with a Vaccine.
Please explain how this mass death strategy progresses their business model.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Do you think this jab is a once only jab or do you think this will be a yearly thing which in turn will have the governments around the world implementing restrictions and lockdowns forever whilst running vaccine campaigns year in year out because people don't back up with regular vaccine jabs for which they will eventually have to pony up cash for.

You can't live life like this, it's a waste of time.

Im not a Dr but I think it will be possibly yearly

Eventually when nearly everyone is vaxxed I dont think there will be need for lockdowns, if they can also vax the 3rld world and stop rampant spread and potential for mutation .
But
Nature will throw up something else along the way though, people live close to pigs chickens and bats, somethings bound to get out again.lets hope its not as bad as this and not for a long long time

 

[Hawk Dork]

14 months into "2 weeks to flatten the curve" and people still trust the "experts".

Billion "super contagious" variants that were disproved and people still trust the "experts"

Failed lockdowns with quite literally zero proof it works (if it didnt, we wouldnt need to lock down again) and people still trust the "experts"

At what point will people question the idiocy

Did the lockdowns fail in China Australia and NZ or just the half arsed lock downs failed ?

 

[Bender20]

Here's your BOOSTER shot, rolling out in September for over 70s.

I've read all this before about the other vaccines, but hey I know the numbers impress you.

Did they interview the work experience kid.

I mean ROUGHLY 2500, STOPS READING.

The study included roughly 2,500 volunteers who had completed two vaccine doses, about 500 who got one dose and about 1,000 who did not get vaccinated between mid-December and mid-March.

The researchers counted 205 infections, with 161 of them in the unvaccinated group. Of the remaining 44, the CDC said 33 of them were in people apparently infected within two weeks of a shot. Experts say it takes two weeks before a dose takes full effect.

No one died, and only two were hospitalized. Thompson did not say whether the people hospitalized were vaccinated or not.

Besides the 90% figure for two doses, the study found it was 80% effective for participants two weeks or more after a first dose.

 

[BlueE]

so the article confirms what I’ve been telling you - and is found in the first paragraph- there is no permanent insertion of genes into the host DNA because the “ inserted” genes are not passed on in subsequent cell division.
Therefore mRNA Vaccines are NOT a Gene Editing system that can permanently alter the human genome. That fear is completely unfounded.

With CRISPR the changes are permanent - that’s why it offers a potential cure for specific genetic disorders.

CRISPER is only one form of gene editing, open to errors cutting the DNA at the wrong places, with many risks, unintended inherited characteristics and moral ambiguity.

Isn't there permanent insertion of DNA from adenovectiors? It's theoretically possible but not investigated that this can cause permanent changes that are genetically passed on and comprehensive animal studies haven't been competed or reported on.

If the fear is completely unfounded why hasn't this happened yet?

There are many other ways these experimental injections are causing adverse effects and deaths that you are happy to ignore.

This has been linked elsewhere here and like to get your opinion of the role of Daddy Palaszczuk's foundation to become the world leader in driving genetic technology? With multi millions of genetic information from PCR tests, the Gene Technology Alliance now has the genetic data gold mine for "rapidly integrates individual users, gene sequencing companies, medical, pharmaceutical, health services, and other data applications on one platform. These efforts will have a profound implication on exploring life mysteries, seeking complex truth of life, and advancing the development of biopharmaceuticals, precision medicine and genetic research."

The Grand Opening of GTA Gene Data Storage and Application Summit Forum

On September 22nd , GTA Gene Data Storage and Application Summit was grandly launched in Chaohu city of Anhui province. The event brought together celebrities...

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[BlueE]

Did the lockdowns fail in China Australia and NZ or just the half arsed lock downs failed ?

Who knows what happened in China? I doubt the original infection that saw people apparently dying in the street was from SARS CoV 2. We don't know because China never allowed the full virus to be examined and replicated. However most countries followed China with lockdowns without any evidence. Did it work to stop the spread to the rest of China, or did the other cities get a nasty cold that had no difference in effect or deaths than a normal flu season? I pretty sure it's the latter.

NZ put it's country under severe lockdown with schools closed, no take always allowed, even though it was an Island and they were restricting and quarantining arrivals. Did not stop outbreaks and subsequent multiple lockdowns. All of which destroy economies, business and mental heath, especially of young people and anyone under 75 who are of essentially zero risk of dying from COVID.

Half arsed lockdowns fail as well, as it should have been treated as a normal flu and advanced aged and obese and other with co-morbidities only needed to be protected. Half arsed lockdowns slow down herd immunity and can cause flare up every time lockdown is released, rinse and repeat.

 

[yebiga]

For the moment, put aside the question of whether this is right, wrong, justified or not.

Forced or compelled vaccination is an idea that challenges the sacredness of individual agency; the individuals sovereignty over their own body and responsibility for their own well being. Or, perhaps, another way to put it, the very understanding of what it is to live, to make decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions would change. You have no decision to make but to comply.

With some minor exceptions government's have restricted themselves to prohibiting transgressions as detailed in our judicial systems; they have not usually compelled behaviour or speech. The exceptions are kind of ceremonial, trivial or age dependent: compulsory wearing of seat belts in vehicles, compulsory voting (some countries), compulsory education. Of course you don't have to travel be car and though you are compelled to have yourself crossed off the electoral roll, there is nothing to stop you tearing up the ballot.

This expected compulsion to vaccinate - if it proceeds - is something akin to what you might expect at boarding school, or in the armed forces. An Individual can of course leave a school, leave the armed forces but it is infinitely more difficult - if not impossible - to leave society. This proposed encroachment of government may be more foundational than we might immediately think, presenting immeasurable unintended consequences.

The robbing of agency from the individual is an existential encroachment on the very meaning of what it is to live. I hope that this is over stating it but I fear the opposite.

 

[No SPIN]

CRISPER is only one form of gene editing, open to errors cutting the DNA at the wrong places, with many risks, unintended inherited characteristics and moral ambiguity.

Isn't there permanent insertion of DNA from adenovectiors? It's theoretically possible but not investigated that this can cause permanent changes that are genetically passed on and comprehensive animal studies haven't been competed or reported on.

If the fear is completely unfounded why hasn't this happened yet?

There are many other ways these experimental injections are causing adverse effects and deaths that you are happy to ignore.

This has been linked elsewhere here and like to get your opinion of the role of Daddy Palaszczuk's foundation to become the world leader in driving genetic technology? With multi millions of genetic information from PCR tests, the Gene Technology Alliance now has the genetic data gold mine for "rapidly integrates individual users, gene sequencing companies, medical, pharmaceutical, health services, and other data applications on one platform. These efforts will have a profound implication on exploring life mysteries, seeking complex truth of life, and advancing the development of biopharmaceuticals, precision medicine and genetic research."

The Grand Opening of GTA Gene Data Storage and Application Summit Forum

On September 22nd , GTA Gene Data Storage and Application Summit was grandly launched in Chaohu city of Anhui province. The event brought together celebrities...

marketersmedia.com

your own article said there’s no permanent insertion, by Adenovirus.
So are you now comfortable that mRNA Vaccine can’t alter DNA without a CRISPR type gene editor?

 

[BlueE]

your own article said there’s no permanent insertion, by Adenovirus.
So are you now comfortable that mRNA Vaccine can’t alter DNA without a CRISPR type gene editor?

No. Do you mean the written warning to the European Regulatory Authorities? The warning given for AZ injections by the UK regulatory authorities was the effect on fertility is unknown because it is unknown with animal studies not completed or reported on yet.

 

[MarcMaverick]

Sound Familiar?!

 

[No SPIN]

For the moment, put aside the question of whether this is right, wrong, justified or not.

Forced or compelled vaccination is an idea that challenges the sacredness of individual agency; the individuals sovereignty over their own body and responsibility for their own well being. Or, perhaps, another way to put it, the very understanding of what it is to live, to make decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions would change. You have no decision to make but to comply.

With some minor exceptions government's have restricted themselves to prohibiting transgressions as detailed in our judicial systems; they have not usually compelled behaviour or speech. The exceptions are kind of ceremonial, trivial or age dependent: compulsory wearing of seat belts in vehicles, compulsory voting (some countries), compulsory education. Of course you don't have to travel be car and though you are compelled to have yourself crossed off the electoral roll, there is nothing to stop you tearing up the ballot.

This expected compulsion to vaccinate - if it proceeds - is something akin to what you might expect at boarding school, or in the armed forces. An Individual can of course leave a school, leave the armed forces but it is infinitely more difficult - if not impossible - to leave society. This proposed encroachment of government may be more foundational than we might immediately think, presenting immeasurable unintended consequences.

The robbing of agency from the individual is an existential encroachment on the very meaning of what it is to live. I hope that this is over stating it but I fear the opposite.

Accepting your first sentence - then I would argue that if Govt. is compelled to protect its people, of which healthcare and public health generally is a critical element, then why are you insisting we draw the line at Vaccines?