Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Bumpswithagrin]

That was a rumour out of America, nothing to do with us.

I saw some official looking paper work from our federal government about it back when we had the deaths here in Victoria but I didn't save it. It was more along the lines of compensation if you had had to deal with a Covid death (for the extra work involved presumably) but, as with all rorts, easy to get the money if you just have to tick a box that says 'Covid'. Of course it could have been faked. Once again, the most reliable source is from someone you trust and since I don't know anyone that died of it there is no way to verify this for me. Might have been nice if some of our investigative journalist spent some time on it though.

 

[yebiga]

IIRC weren't hospitals who recorded the cause of death as Covid also getting monetary incentives to do so?

YEs something like $20-$40k - I think - depending on wether they needed a respirator.
If you pay people enough they will do and believe anything you like. Friends I know got paid $400 here just to get tested. One wag did it 4 times.

If this Vax Hesitancy persists they may have to offer something more than a free donut.
A $10K tax deduction should be enough to get 80% over their hesitancy.

 

[BlueE]

I actually agree with the effectiveness of Ivermectin, but please stop misrepresentating the information.

This video is a guess about what the TGA is doing as the speaker states he doesn’t know them. He then assumes they are doing a passive review, based on a guess fed to him by the interviewer. Who has no credibility quoting the TGA as the Therapeutic Good Association when the A stands for Administration.
No serious commentator makes such a mistake.

By all means push the case for Invermectin but use credible information not amateurish videos like this, speculating on issues, that you then posts as facts in your commentary.

I thought I heard Greg Hunt call TGA Authority and not Administration today, not sure?

But it's worth a look at the National COVID - 19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce because they have a strong recommendation against the use of IVM based on 11 RCTs (gone up by one since the interview). They say they only use 11 trials because "There are currently 11 randomised trials available which meet these criteria evaluating the effectiveness of ivermectin for treatment of COVID-19 and this evidence does not demonstrate the effectiveness of ivermectin for COVID-19 treatment."

In January, Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy he quoted 17 peer reviewed studies, 9 of which were RCTs with 2000 subjects that showed "the evidence on IVM “demonstrates a strong signal of therapeutic efficacy” recommending its global adoption for prophylaxis and treatment of Covid19. The RCTs showed IVM reduced death by an an average of 83%"

"In 9 separately analysed Observational Trials similar data was found: reduction of deaths was 69% (0.16-0.61), with risk of death 3.9% vs 9.9%. In the same analysis, four quality studies showed with “moderate certainty evidence” showed IVM prophylaxis among health workers and Covid19 contacts, reduced risk of infection by 88% (0.08-0.18) in 851 participants with 4.3% vs 34.5% exposed contracting Covid19."

Prof Clancy makes the point that anyone who doesn't believe IVM used in early treatment, or prevention or it doesn't significantly reduce infection and death, either has not read the research or does not understand it. So why does a government funded advisory "taskforce" strongly recommend against the use of IVM?

Dr Kory has submitted evince to a US Senate Inquiry and is head of a group of US doctors and specialists quotes 30 up to date peer reviewed RCTs (and says the WHO is actively looking at 59 trials) that show significant improvement in preventing getting COVID and in saving lives.

"The Informer" is not main stream media, but who else has interviewed Dr Kory, or questioned why the National COVID - 19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce and TGA strongly recommends against the use of IVM in opposition to clear evidence presented in other parts of the world?

Even though Dr Kory hadn't heard of the "taskforce", just knowing how many studies they'd reviewed, he was able to make a good estimation of how they came to their recommendation. Why is another question.

FAQs

Learn about the national taskforce that is working to keep Australian clinicians up-to-date with the latest COVID-19 guidelines and evidence.

covid19evidence.net.au

COVID-19: A realistic approach to community management - Quadrant Online

This not the time for those who should know better to publicly argue for one or other COVID-19 vaccine, not when full and adequate evidence for any such choice is well down the line. What the current moment most definitely does demand is early treatment, especially for the aged and most...

quadrant.org.au

 

[Spitty_the_alpaca]

 

[Hawk Dork]

No. The religious blindly follow their faith beyond all logic and will often disown family if they don't follow the same warped ideology

covid is nothing more than religion at this point. No matter what, they mustn't change their stance

Sound like denial is the only religion here

 

[Fwoy]

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[BlueE]

Astrazenica was trialed in the UK, ,S.A and Brazil.

The variants came from the UK, S.A and Brazil.

So can we agree that the vaccine caused the variant please, it's doing my head in. Anyone arguing that the unvaxxed are or will be the perpetrators of variants are obviously a bit thick.

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in the primary analysis of Phase III trials

www.astrazeneca.com

And when South Africa independently RCT the AZ jab on 2000 subjects, it found there was no difference in protection between the placebo and injection groups, which they hypothesized was because the AZ jab did not work against the main variant that most of their subjects had. They ban the AZ jab because it doesn't work, and the rest of the world tells you to hurry up and get jabbed before you discover this as well.

Interesting summary of modelling of COVID-19 after the jabs, out of the UK with B.1.1.7 as the dominant strain and other novel variants of concern are not explicitly modelled is indicating a "third wave" with "a resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave respectively."

London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) have contributed modelling with independent assumptions that Imperial College or Warwick and find AZ injections only 30% effective in reducing infection.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975909/S1182_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_modelling_of_easing_roadmap_step_2_restrictions.pdf

 

[Hawk Dork]

Astrazenica was trialed in the UK, ,S.A and Brazil.

The variants came from the UK, S.A and Brazil.

So can we agree that the vaccine caused the variant please, it's doing my head in. Anyone arguing that the unvaxxed are or will be the perpetrators of variants are obviously a bit thick.

COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca confirms 100% protection against severe disease, hospitalisation and death in the primary analysis of Phase III trials

www.astrazeneca.com

The 3 places it really went out of control and the UK kept their Airports open to spread it everywhere might be a more logical answer

 

[GuzzLG]

The 3 places it really went out of control and the UK kept their Airports open to spread it everywhere might be a more logical answer

Yeah nah.

Millions of cases in the rest of the world. Far more than those three countries combined.

You’d have to be a nutjob coincidence theorist to conclude it had nothing to do with the trials in those countries.

 

[Bender20]

Never seen before rises in adverse reactions.

Seriously, safe and effective, or total lunacy.

 

[Bender20]

The 3 places it really went out of control and the UK kept their Airports open to spread it everywhere might be a more logical answer

Never seen before variants till a month after starting testing on human rats.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Yeah nah.

Millions of cases in the rest of the world. Far more than those three countries combined.

You’d have to be a nutjob coincidence theorist to conclude it had nothing to do with the trials in those countries.

There were trials in many other countries that didnt have variants evolve.... Japan India and US Chile Peru

 

[GuzzLG]

There were trials in many other countries that didnt have variants evolve.... Japan India and US Chile Peru

Nope

AZ1222 just in those three countries.

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK - PubMed

UK Research and Innovation, National Institutes for Health Research (NIHR), Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Lemann Foundation, Rede D'Or, Brava and Telles Foundation, NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre, Thames Valley and South Midland's NIHR …

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Bender20]

Key research halted after consultation and then funding by Bill and Melinda Gates.

Keele University Cancels All Aluminum Research after Scientist Links Aluminum in Vaccines to Human Health Problems - Global Research

All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the “Translate Website” drop down menu on the top banner of our home page (Desktop version). *** The UK’s prestigious Keele University is suddenly shutting down the work of world-renowned aluminum expert, Christopher Exley...

www.globalresearch.ca

 

[BlueE]

The 3 places it really went out of control and the UK kept their Airports open to spread it everywhere might be a more logical answer

How does that explain the AZ injection being shown in clinical trails in South Africa not to work against those variants?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Nope

AZ1222 just in those three countries.

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK - PubMed

UK Research and Innovation, National Institutes for Health Research (NIHR), Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Lemann Foundation, Rede D'Or, Brava and Telles Foundation, NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre, Thames Valley and South Midland's NIHR …

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clinical trials of AstraZeneca and Oxford University’s vaccine have begun in Japan, AstraZeneca said Friday.

AstraZeneca resumes COVID-19 trial in Japan but still keeps its US trial on pause

AstraZeneca said the trial resumed in Japan after consultation with the Japanese Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency.

www.businessinsider.com.au

AstraZeneca announced today its results from the phase 3 clinical trial that it carried out in the US, Chile and Peru.

AstraZeneca Take 2: US/Chile/Peru Clinical Trial – COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy Page

wordpress.cels.anl.gov

 

[Hawk Dork]

How does that explain the AZ injection being shown in clinical trails in South Africa not to work against those variants?

Thats possible as the virus may evolve so vaccines need to be tweaked,if they can

 

[BlueE]

Never seen before rises in adverse reactions.

Seriously, safe and effective, or total lunacy.
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Germany found 1 in 100,000 deaths from unusual blood clots, UK 1 in 1,000,000 with 10 in 1,000,000 having the adverse effect and not dying with the AZ injections.

So that's only between 50 and 500 deaths for the 50 mil does of AZ, all under 55 years of age.

SO what Germany have banned the AZ injection to anyone under 55 years and UK banned to anyone under 30 years to reduce those numbers...

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, HAVE A VACCINE SHORTAGE, SO HURRY UP AND GET YOURS!

 

[GuzzLG]

Clinical trials of AstraZeneca and Oxford University’s vaccine have begun in Japan, AstraZeneca said Friday.

AstraZeneca resumes COVID-19 trial in Japan but still keeps its US trial on pause

AstraZeneca said the trial resumed in Japan after consultation with the Japanese Pharmaceuticals and Medical Devices Agency.

www.businessinsider.com.au

AstraZeneca announced today its results from the phase 3 clinical trial that it carried out in the US, Chile and Peru.

AstraZeneca Take 2: US/Chile/Peru Clinical Trial – COVID-19 Vaccine Efficacy Page

wordpress.cels.anl.gov

US, Chile, Peru variants coming to a town near you in 2021.

 

[BlueE]

Sharyl Attkisson—How Propaganda Replaced Journalism and the Dangers of Third-Party ‘Fact-Checkers’

“That’s what the propagandists know… If the same thing is said over and over again, regardless of how untrue it is, it ultimately sinks in,” says Sharyl At...

www.theepochtimes.com

How propaganda replaced journalism and the dangers of third party fact checkers

Very good interview, worth putting on 1.5 speed if you find videos hard to watch.

 

[Hawk Dork]

US, Chile, Peru variants coming to a town near you in 2021.

Japan ?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

I dunno, where I shop people are careful in queues, I know I am. I told a girl (nicely) to move back the other day, she was breathing down my neck almost. It’s becoming common courtesy. I sure hope people are washing their hands, or at least using the sanitiser which is everywhere. This is changing people’s habits but in a good way I feel. For a long time it’s been all about ME, now a little bit of consideration goes a long way.

None of that down my way dude i found during the mask faze that it was the non mask wearers like me who were keeping distance, the masked avengers were the ones who were in each others back pockets as they had the attitude of that they were wearing a life saving device so keeping distance was immune to them.

Barely anyone uses sanitiser, it's there and it's almost shock to see someone presenting their hands and no one buys it because it's expensive.

Depends on their job doesn't it
I havent been called
Scomo s making up excuses why they havent reached their targets Drs arent getting supply

They didn't qualify under any of the conditions listed for 1A and 1B.

If you were the government and uptake was not to your expectations what would you tell the public considering you are running a massive vaccine campaign, the government expected a stampede and massively misread the room and are now in damage control to the point they are trying to scare people into getting jabbed, FMD C7 run a story saying there could be consequences for those who don't get it and you think there is a supply shortage, you don't need to run those bullshit stories if there is a supply shortage i'll give you the tip dorkie

 

[GuzzLG]

Japan ?

Can’t say that.

Hate speech that would promote violence against Asians.

 

[Hawk Dork]

None of that down my way dude i found during the mask faze that it was the non mask wearers like me who were keeping distance, the masked avengers were the ones who were in each others back pockets as they had the attitude of that they were wearing a life saving device so keeping distance was immune to them.

Barely anyone uses sanitiser, it's there and it's almost shock to see someone presenting their hands and no one buys it because it's expensive.


They didn't qualify under any of the conditions listed for 1A and 1B.

If you were the government and uptake was not to your expectations what would you tell the public considering you are running a massive vaccine campaign, the government expected a stampede and massively misread the room and are now in damage control to the point they are trying to scare people into getting jabbed, FMD C7 run a story saying there could be consequences for those who don't get it and you think there is a supply shortage, you don't need to run those bullshit stories if there is a supply shortage i'll give you the tip dorkie

yet Drs are saying they cant get it
Who do I believe ????,,,,,lol

This doctor hoped to administer 80 COVID vaccines a day. He received 80 for the week

Doctors in Australia's worst-hit COVID-19 hotspot want to take the vaccine rollout into their own hands, while others say more clinics need to be signed up.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Bender20]

Japan ?

Meanwhile.
I will wait till all the elderly, hotel quarantine workers, health workers, ummm basically everyone till I get it, just wait a while.
But hurry up I want to travel.