Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[BlueE]

I hope the below reinforces that l’m for common sense and not slavishly Big Pharma as you assert.

So here is a logical question - if as Dr Swan said in his video we’ve had 5 deaths from COVID in under 55’s , then why does that demo ( apart from Health care workers ) need Vaccination at all?

If Australia have had 5 deaths under 50 I'd like to know more information as to they were from cruise ships, had other comorbidities, whether they died from complications like blood clots or were on respirators because a lot of treatment now has changed, notwithstanding the proven safe and effective medicines they could have been given?

However, theoretically if you just mean how many under 50 might die from COVID 19, compared to deaths just from the rare blood clots noted in AZ COIVD 19 injections, you have 5 V 50 (based on 1 in 100,000 deaths with the 50 mil doses ordered).

In reality, there is no need for anyone under 74 without co morbidities to die from COVID-19 with current treatment, and that calculation was only from deaths from clots and not adverse effects or from any other noted adverse effect or death reported to the authorities in the UK, EU or USA from reactions to the injections.

 

[No SPIN]

The link was to a study that investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome.

They found chimeric transcripts consisting of viral fused to cellular sequences in published data sets of SARS-CoV-2 infected cultured cells and primary cells of patients, consistent with the transcription of viral sequences integrated into the genome. To experimentally corroborate the possibility of viral retro-integration, we describe evidence that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse transcribed in human cells by reverse transcriptase (RT) from LINE-1 elements or by HIV-1 RT, and that these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed.

You're the one going around in circles, no one is making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, only that the current research provides hypothetical, plausible molecular pathways by which such an event could occur.

Infertility of male or female associated with the COIVD injections is a small part of this gene altering possibility, although the head of U of Miami research states that it's probable with the adenovirus simian DNA injections. He says more studies are needed to evaluate exactly how testis tissue responds to the virus and what that might mean to male fertility and sexual transmission, and current human studies on the mRNA injections are ongoing. Better tell them not to bother because you know the results.

Stop misrepresenting research and what is said with your own hyperbole. You must know hat the genetic component of the injections are if you know so much, I must have missed where that was published, so please tell us what they are?

Written warnings were given to the EU authorities about female infertility urging them not to give emergency approval until comprehensive animal studies had been completed and reported on. Again, it's unknown because even though they had mice pregnancy studies they declined to report on them, instead saying they were "ongoing". This is the main reason why UK doctors were given this advice (.pdf linked months ago).

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None of the COVID injection animal studies were comprehensive and with teh example of South Africa finding complete different results when they did their own independent research on AZ they found completely different results to those published, so these questions should be answered by an independent lab.

For the 200th time:
- the research was with the WHOLE virus, the Vaccine does not contain the WHOLE
- the research shows no permanent DNA insertion - because the virus shedding, which was the mechanism they are trying to explain, eventually ends
- fertility concerns are about Sperm motility not DNA changes. And the quotes from the paper I supplied from the U Miami doesn’t suggest any such link exist to DNA changes.

And if it did you would have supplied the quote.

And your last circled quote is hilarious - it may as well read it’s is unknown if Vaccine increases IQ ( or substitute as desired).

So you’ve drawn blanks again - repeating the same information over and over doesn’t change the facts.

 

[BlueE]

sorry mate - I’ve said the only way to permanently change DNA is using gene editors like CRISPR.
You challenged me saying that mRNA Vaccine could do it and offered irrelevant research - that showed no such effect. And embarrassingly your own papers including Dr. Dougs disagreed with you.

You gave it your best shot with your own references, that I rebutted conclusively - and still you persist.

You have spent your ammo - it’s over, you’re wrong.

It’s exactly because I have posted here that I think HCQ and IMV have merit, that again renders your accusations that I’m a Big Pharma supporter hollow, and so scuttles what remains of your meagre credibility.

Your only ammunition is gaslighting.

I haven't changed what I've said but your claims that state you've absolutely proved that current COVID injections don't have a pathway to change DNA are wrong.

Are you actually reading what you've said "With your own references you've rebutted conclusively" that is the biggest joke from the biggest bathwater drinking pretender on here.

 

[yebiga]

If you are simply prepared to allow this flagrant misinformation ( note they are not judgments when you offer research as evidence) to be peddled, then that’s your choice - most people here are incapable of challenging these people on the science, but I will do it gladly, to hold the Conspiracist to account.

So please desist with the supercilious postering that such such challenges are neither appropriate or necessary.

Hear yeah! Hear yeah! The grand - No Spin - Cyclops has declared there be no judgements in research. The researcher casts his scientific runes and wherever they fall it is evidence! No arguments may be countenanced.
Come on Spinner, this is deluded. Get a grip of yourself. If you had anything valuable to say - you would have. Instead, you are parsing meaning like a feverish witchdoctor. Lets assume you are right, and that this random article doesn't quite concur with the posters assertion - you therefore feel this is sufficient to dismiss all and sundry as conspiracy theorists whilst you yourself subscribe to the paranoid efficacy of masks and vaccines.

Let's be honest, you protest far too much over nothing. This is wilful delusion. Even you don't believe a word of your own posts - it's rhetoric for rhetoric sakes. You need to ask yourself, what is this desperate need to concur with the official message - why? You want to believe that viruses want to kill us - off you go - get yourself inoculated - it's your choice. I'd rather die than think I am surrounded by invisible enemies - in fact, I suggest you are already dead if you think that.

Why do you need everyone to agree with you? There are people out there who believe the world is flat - who cares? It's great that people can think differently. As long as they don't interfere with me - they only add to the colour of life.

You Covidphobics are sick vermin - you need everyone to believe your delusion like some hysterical religious cult - you've declared a fatwa a crusade on non-believers. You would threaten non-believers to lose their jobs, inability to travel and heaven knows what other monstrosity - essentially you campaigners are seeking our excommunication. Exactly, how sick can you be and not realise that you are behaving like vermin?

 

[Bender20]

My solution is to provide a proven treatment as opposed to replacing it with a failing one.

If you think the overprescrption of drugs is a great idea, fine. Dont cry to me though when antiobotic resistant drugs begin to run rampant in the next few decades and you are running scared again, begging for a phama solution to a problem they created

500000 die from antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria per year.

The old doctor who stitched me up a few years ago had a strain here in Adelaide. He told me he was close to death when they decided to use the break glass antibiotic and said I'm sure they are thankful they did, cost from memory was...wait...$35000. We then had a good chat about fly fishing and Gough Whitlam.

Now if you were a regular punter they would have let you take your chances, at thirty five thousand dollars, highly unlikely they would give it to you.

Pharma still haven't found a replacement for antibiotics, but miraculous ground breaking technology has given us a vacinne to save the world.
Horseshit.

 

[No SPIN]

Your only ammunition is gaslighting.

I haven't changed what I've said but your claims that state you've absolutely proved that current COVID injections don't have a pathway to change DNA are wrong.

Are you actually reading what you've said "With your own references you've rebutted conclusively" that is the biggest joke from the biggest bathwater drinking pretender on here.

I can now see you’re really running for cover - the debate started with you claiming mRNA Vaccines cause permanent DNA Changes.
I did not start the debate,
I challenged you and you could not prove your case.

No more no less.

I’m in the myth busting business, unlike you who is in the myth creating business.

 

[MarcMaverick]

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Here are some of the latest reviews slamming this thoughtless and brain-dead decision of said "gym". What's the saying: "get woke go broke"?

Found them on Google FWIW, all of them giving it 1/5 stars, wishing there was a zero option.

Actually its a small chain of "gyms"
The one I am referring to is

St Luke's Fitness and Sports Performance Center

Located in

77 S Commerce Way, Bethlehem, PA 18017, United States

There are two others as I have discovered

St. Luke's Fitness & Sports Performance Center - Phillipsburg, NJ in 755 Memorial Pkwy, Phillipsburg, NJ 08865, United States

And

St. Luke's Fitness & Sports Performance Center - West End in 501 Cetronia Rd, Allentown, PA 18104, United States

Pennsylvania and New Jersey, doesn't surprise me in that case.

As a Quick follow-up, whenever you go to access one of their pages you get treated to this choice and lovely message

From St Lukes Gym

The request is blocked.

Also Someone was kind enough to provide photos of one off the "gyms", Bethlehem branch I believe





Gee what a soulless, uninspiring looking dump

 

[BlueE]

For the 200th time:
- the research was with the WHOLE virus, the Vaccine does not contain the WHOLE
- the research shows no permanent DNA insertion - because the virus shedding, which was the mechanism they are trying to explain, eventually ends
- fertility concerns are about Sperm motility not DNA changes. And the quotes from the paper I supplied from the U Miami doesn’t suggest any such link exist to DNA changes.

And if it did you would have supplied the quote.

And your last circled quote is hilarious - it may as well read it’s is unknown if Vaccine increases IQ ( or substitute as desired).

So you’ve drawn blanks again - repeating the same information over and over doesn’t change the facts.

If the fertility concerns were just abut sperm motility how does that explain concerns about testosterone?

It makes sense that the testes, which are responsible for sperm and testosterone production, are a target for COVID-19 infection. The virus has an affinity for angiotensin-converting enzyme-2 (ACE-2) receptors, which are in many of the body’s organs, including the lungs, heart, intestines, kidneys, and testes.

https://physician-news.umiamihealth.org/covid-19-can-infect-testes-with-potential-implications-for-male-fertility/

Ramasamy says it's likely both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines won’t permanently impact male fertility, but the discussion in his original research was about whether the spike protein in SARS CoV 2, that the mRNA injections were instructed to replicate was the cause of the temporary effect of lowering sperm count.

It's a different story for J and J (or Oxford AZ injections) that are similar using the full virus in the injections, And so now all of the concerns about the potential virus binding to the testes and impacting sperm count remains, and probably remains more with the J&J vaccine compared to the Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines,” Ramasamy said.

Study looks at impact of COVID-19 vaccines on fertility

Thousands have already received the COVID-19 vaccine while others say not so fast. Their big concern? Its impacts on possibly having children. Fertility and pregnancy concerns are leading to vaccine hesitancy, and researchers are hoping to dispel the myths. “What if there is something in there...

www.winknews.com

 

[No SPIN]

Hear yeah! Hear yeah! The grand - No Spin - Cyclops has declared there be no judgements in research. The researcher casts his scientific runes and wherever they fall it is evidence! No arguments may be countenanced.
Come on Spinner, this is deluded. Get a grip of yourself. If you had anything valuable to say - you would have. Instead, you are parsing meaning like a feverish witchdoctor. Lets assume you are right, and that this random article doesn't quite concur with the posters assertion - you therefore feel this is sufficient to dismiss all and sundry as conspiracy theorists whilst you yourself subscribe to the paranoid efficacy of masks and vaccines.

Let's be honest, you protest far too much over nothing. This is wilful delusion. Even you don't believe a word of your own posts - it's rhetoric for rhetoric sakes. You need to ask yourself, what is this desperate need to concur with the official message - why? You want to believe that viruses want to kill us - off you go - get yourself inoculated - it's your choice. I'd rather die than think I am surrounded by invisible enemies - in fact, I suggest you are already dead if you think that.

Why do you need everyone to agree with you? There are people out there who believe the world is flat - who cares? It's great that people can think differently. As long as they don't interfere with me - they only add to the colour of life.

You Covidphobics are sick vermin - you need everyone to believe your delusion like some hysterical religious cult - you've declared a fatwa a crusade on non-believers. You would threaten non-believers to lose their jobs, inability to travel and heaven knows what other monstrosity - essentially you campaigners are seeking our excommunication. Exactly, how sick can you be and not realise that you are behaving like vermin?

I don’t really care nor am I perturb by your anti establishment postering.

Nor the inane labeling from someone with an entitled sense of superiority, where debate on these issues is beneath them.

You can regurgitate your philosophical musings at your next yoga class or bong session, where they may have some spiritual relevance.

That you cannot differentiate between vacuous debate on meaningless issues, and the insidious creep of irresponsible misinformation, that requires debate to challenge it, is regrettable.

Sit quietly in the corner and let those of us so inclined, take care of the lunacy and alarm these clowns pedal, while you contemplate the pressing ills of the world, such as the exorbitant cost of Indian incense.

Later man!!!

 

[Registered User]

So, how's this warning from the 8th of April going so far? Hmm, nothing yet. Uncanny. I suppose it's only been 5 days, and not everyone gets tested, but still....
Let's look back on it in a few weeks

Melbourne suburbs on virus alert

Victorian health officials have put ten Melbourne suburbs on alert after coronavirus fragments were found in wastewater.

www.news.com.au

 

[BlueE]

I can now see you’re really running for cover - the debate started with you claiming mRNA Vaccines cause permanent DNA Changes.
I did not start the debate,
I challenged you and you could not prove your case.

No more no less.

I’m in the myth busting business, unlike you who is in the myth creating business.

Actually no, that wasn't how the so called "debate" which is morphed into something different in your own head, started.

It was your triggered reaction to two videos from two respected and experienced Dr's, Urso and Cole, promoting safe and effective therapeutics instead of what they called experiential gene therapy, that got you triggered and sprouting that CRISPR could be the only gene therapy that exists, and on you went!

I also added reports and audio interview of respected Emeritus Professor Clancy, (a vaccine developer) promoting proven safe and effective therapeutics instead of the current COVID injections, saying that anyone that believe they weren't safe or effective, either hadn't read the research or didn't understand it. He also said if the health officers were being influenced by big pharma making decisions promoting COVID injections over these safe and effective therapeutics.

Then added the interview with Dr Kory, that accused one of the COVID advisory groups that had only looked at 11 peer reviewed studies just on IVM, instead of the 26 used by Prof Clancy reported in Jan, and over 50 actively looked at by the WHO and by Kory's group, of being passive and having no basis to make their strong recommendation not to use IVM as an effective and safe treatment for COVID 19 in Australia.

If you get so triggered by specialists and doctors calling these experimental injections of genetically modified orgasms, "gene therapy", then publish your work that absolutely proves it's not, write to them. Produce the animal experiments that prove a change caused by a mRNA injection, like blood clots or rashes is not permanent and can't be passed on in their genes.

There are pathways that these injections can change DNA, but there have not been comprehensive animal studies done or reported on. Affects on fertility are one of the possible least likely effects, but it's unknown.

You're in the myth busting business? You've got the biggest head so I guess anything is possible inside it, but how can you bust any myths when you have not read any original research, including animal studies or current or previous injections for corona viruses, or any .pdfs that were provided to the Regulatory committees and you have no idea what genetic material is in any of the injections.

 

[yebiga]

I don’t really care nor am I perturb by your anti establishment postering.

Nor the inane labeling from someone with an entitled sense of superiority, where debate on these issues is beneath them.

You can regurgitate your philosophical musings at your next yoga class or bong session, where they may have some spiritual relevance.

That you cannot differentiate between vacuous debate on meaningless issues, and the insidious creep of irresponsible misinformation, that requires debate to challenge it, is regrettable.

Sit quietly in the corner and let those of us so inclined, take care of the lunacy and alarm these clowns pedal, while you contemplate the pressing ills of the world, such as the exorbitant cost of Indian incense.

Later man!!!

You are the lunacy. What is Indian incense? Dude, you are losing it. Have a session with Chief - surely you have a private room available for counselling.
you are not debating anything at all. You are asserting that others are deluded and that the glistening teeth on our tv screens possess the truth and evidence - no less no more
As for labelling - have not you told us we are conspiracy theorists? You are now the measure of "irresponsible misinformation" - you've got a good hold of yourself.

 

[yebiga]

The donkey in the room is defecating everywhere - I don't believe it can be toilet trained.
It may have suffered a blood clot

 

[zill]

That you cannot differentiate between vacuous debate on meaningless issues, and the insidious creep of irresponsible misinformation, that requires debate to challenge it, is regrettable.

You mean the banning of ivm and hcq, and the silencing of anyone who dared mention them? Calling anyone who questioned the safety of vaccines a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist?

After a year of suppressing the studies around ivm and hcq, there was a sudden backflip. The vaccines were already approved for emergency use, so no need to ban anyone talking about alternatives anymore.

As to the safety of the vaccine, we are seeing the az vaccine being banned around the world, including in australia. A few months ago they were apparently 100% safe, and anyone who said otherwise was a nutjob.

Once upon a time if you had said that smoking causes cancer, or that the earth was a globe and orbited the sun, you would have been labeled a dangerous conspiracy theorist.

 

[No SPIN]

You mean the banning of ivm and hcq, and the silencing of anyone who dared mention them? Calling anyone who questioned the safety of vaccines a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist?

After a year of suppressing the studies around ivm and hcq, there was a sudden backflip. The vaccines were already approved for emergency use, so no need to ban anyone talking about alternatives anymore.

As to the safety of the vaccine, we are seeing the az vaccine being banned around the world, including in australia. A few months ago they were apparently 100% safe, and anyone who said otherwise was a nutjob.

Once upon a time if you had said that smoking causes cancer, or that the earth was a globe and orbited the sun, you would have been labeled a dangerous conspiracy theorist.

I’ve previously post I’m don’t have a problem with the push for HCQ or IVM use.
All the other issues I’ve debated against fall far far shorter on evidence, compared to the above.

 

[No SPIN]

You are the lunacy. What is Indian incense? Dude, you are losing it. Have a session with Chief - surely you have a private room available for counselling.
you are not debating anything at all. You are asserting that others are deluded and that the glistening teeth on our tv screens possess the truth and evidence - no less no more
As for labelling - have not you told us we are conspiracy theorists? You are now the measure of "irresponsible misinformation" - you've got a good hold of yourself.

I thought debate was beneath you - why do you now care what I think or the views I hold.
Surely you have far more productive pursuits beckoning than engaging with me.
Go off a practice your Downward facing dog.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

So, how's this warning from the 8th of April going so far? Hmm, nothing yet. Uncanny. I suppose it's only been 5 days, and not everyone gets tested, but still....
Let's look back on it in a few weeks

Melbourne suburbs on virus alert

Victorian health officials have put ten Melbourne suburbs on alert after coronavirus fragments were found in wastewater.

www.news.com.au

Don’t they just print this or similar every couple of weeks? Never goes anywhere.

 

[Crankitup]

I don’t really care nor am I perturb by your anti establishment postering.

Sorry to butt in. I was just wondering if you meant 'antiestablishment posturing' here or did you mean 'antiestablishment posting' perhaps?

 

[zill]

I’ve previously post I’m don’t have a problem with the push for HCQ or IVM use.

How did you feel a year ago, when it was dismissed by so called experts? If you thought at the time it was worthwhile pursuing research into them, you are the same sort of anti-establishment conspiracy freak you accuse everyone else of being.

If you followed the mainstream view, how do you feel now after the backflip done on the value of these medicines?

 

[No SPIN]

Actually no, that wasn't how the so called "debate" which is morphed into something different in your own head, started.

It was your triggered reaction to two videos from two respected and experienced Dr's, Urso and Cole, promoting safe and effective therapeutics instead of what they called experiential gene therapy, that got you triggered and sprouting that CRISPR could be the only gene therapy that exists, and on you went!

I also added reports and audio interview of respected Emeritus Professor Clancy, (a vaccine developer) promoting proven safe and effective therapeutics instead of the current COVID injections, saying that anyone that believe they weren't safe or effective, either hadn't read the research or didn't understand it. He also said if the health officers were being influenced by big pharma making decisions promoting COVID injections over these safe and effective therapeutics.

Then added the interview with Dr Kory, that accused one of the COVID advisory groups that had only looked at 11 peer reviewed studies just on IVM, instead of the 26 used by Prof Clancy reported in Jan, and over 50 actively looked at by the WHO and by Kory's group, of being passive and having no basis to make their strong recommendation not to use IVM as an effective and safe treatment for COVID 19 in Australia.

If you get so triggered by specialists and doctors calling these experimental injections of genetically modified orgasms, "gene therapy", then publish your work that absolutely proves it's not, write to them. Produce the animal experiments that prove a change caused by a mRNA injection, like blood clots or rashes is not permanent and can't be passed on in their genes.

There are pathways that these injections can change DNA, but there have not been comprehensive animal studies done or reported on. Affects on fertility are one of the possible least likely effects, but it's unknown.

You're in the myth busting business? You've got the biggest head so I guess anything is possible inside it, but how can you bust any myths when you have not read any original research, including animal studies or current or previous injections for corona viruses, or any .pdfs that were provided to the Regulatory committees and you have no idea what genetic material is in any of the injections.

Debate started with your post #5326 ( no vidoes linked to that post) you said one of Bill Gates pet projects was genetic modification and Vaccines.

I then ask you in post # 5327 to provide evidence that mRNA modify our genome.

 

[No SPIN]

How did you feel a year ago, when it was dismissed by so called experts? If you thought at the time it was worthwhile pursuing research into them, you are the same sort of anti-establishment conspiracy freak you accuse everyone else of being.

If you followed the mainstream view, how do you feel now after the backflip done on the value of these medicines?

This is the problem with labels - I’m for common sense and proven research.

I know that Zinc and Vit D have positive impacts on immunity, that regulators don’t have Pharma type trials to agree is no reason for me to ignore existing research. Primarily because, given Zinc and Vit D are unpatentable I know Pharma is not spending $500 mill on trials.

Accuse me of common sense and research driven - guilty as charged.

 

[Bender20]

Pandemic?
What pandemic!

COVID-19: Number of Scottish deaths with no underlying health condition: FOI release

Information request and response under the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002

www.gov.scot

Information requested
The figure of deaths in Scotland for the period of 3/3/2020 till 1/2/2021 of citizens whom have died solely of COVID-19 with no whatsoever underlying conditions.
Response
The answer to your question is 596 deaths involving COVID-19 has been registered where there was no pre-existing medical condition between March 2020 and January 2021 (including).

 

[No SPIN]

Sorry to butt in. I was just wondering if you meant 'antiestablishment posturing' here or did you mean 'antiestablishment posting' perhaps?

posturing

 

[zill]

This is the problem with labels - I’m for common sense and proven research.

I know that Zinc and Vit D have positive impacts on immunity, that regulators don’t have Pharma type trials to agree is no reason for me to ignore existing research. Primarily because, given Zinc and Vit D are unpatentable I know Pharma is not spending $500 mill on trials.

Accuse me of common sense and research driven - guilty as charged.

What a ridiculous answer. So you thought there was merit in these medicines, yet at the same time you supported their demonization in the media, and the censoring of anyone who spoke in their favour.

As for proven research, how can you support the vaccines? The only person in ICU in australia relating to covid is there because she took the vaccine.

 

[Run n Spread]

This whole thing is absurd. Astra Zenicca is causing all sorts of issues. (A lot of nurses/medical people I've spoken to who've had it have had a reaction). And the opposition demands the government unleash it's plan to vaccinate the population to fulfill demand.
There's no demand for it anyway. No one gives a shit. Those that want it are inquiring with their GP but no one's rushing to a site.
Optimistically the tide is turning. Sure the shrills will yell and scream but hopefully most are starting to look around them and see sense