Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[faible]

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I won't be taking any advice on what's best for my health from people like this.

Who do you take your health advice from?

 

[faible]

Conscription? WTF are you on about. You are re writing the concept and definition because you cant admit you are wrong .

I outlined what my response would have been before in a point by point scenario. Ill try to dig it out

You're arguing that because you haven't had to do something previously, that it's therefore not ok. Neglecting that a lot of things have happened to past generations that we've never had to deal with.

Do you understand the fundamental reason they want you to use the QR code check-ins? Why they asked people to wear masks? Why Hotel Quarantine was commenced after home quarantine was the initial response?

 

[faible]

Correct, just like the choice to turn a health system into a Covid-only service causes a crisis down the line.

Health ministers say nation gripped by health crisis

Liberal and Labor health ministers from the five mainland states are pleading with the Morrison government to ease the strain on a health system choked by post-2020 ill health.

www.smh.com.au

Yes. I don't disgaree that health resourcing is a massive problem. This last 12 months has really brought that to the fore.

 

[MrKK]

Isnt no lock downs and massive death tolls and long covid also governments making decisions for all of them/us too ?

Inaction should not be judged the same as action. It's the old trolley dilemma.

No, because that doesn't inconvenience them so they don't care.

Stop this bullshit that you have some monopoly on caring just because you have a different opinion on pandemic management. Your opinion is not morally superior and it's a very dangerous slope if you think it is.

The people who develop pandemic plans prior to 2020, which considered and dismissed most of the Covid measures, didn't care any less about people than you do.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

I'm pretty sure what's being attempted is totally illegal, When will people learn good health doesn't come from a needle.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Correct, just like the choice to turn a health system into a Covid-only service causes a crisis down the line.

Health ministers say nation gripped by health crisis

Liberal and Labor health ministers from the five mainland states are pleading with the Morrison government to ease the strain on a health system choked by post-2020 ill health.

www.smh.com.au

Not Covid so a irrelevant death according to the mindset of owen. The amount of times I try to bring up alternate situations and he rejects them is a bit mind numbing

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You're arguing that because you haven't had to do something previously, that it's therefore not ok. Neglecting that a lot of things have happened to past generations that we've never had to deal with.

Do you understand the fundamental reason they want you to use the QR code check-ins? Why they asked people to wear masks? Why Hotel Quarantine was commenced after home quarantine was the initial response?

When your argument is "Well in 1918 we" it isnt much of a argument to make. Im trying to bring is back to 2018, not 1918. Join me in a this millenium atleast when you are mounting a case

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Interesting how Twitter blocks this article and Facebook try to convince you it is fake.... Also banned on Youtube. The guy was the former VP of Pfizer...

EXCLUSIVE - Former Pfizer VP: ‘Your government is lying to you in a way that could lead to your death’ - LifeSite

‘Look out the window, and think, “why is my government lying to me about something so fundamental?” Because, I think the answer is, they are going to kill you using this method. They’re going to kill you and your family.’

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[faible]

The people who develop pandemic plans prior to 2020, which considered and dismissed most of the Covid measures, didn't care any less about people than you do.

You mean like Taiwan? Who had a plan ready-to-go based off SARS experience that has been quite effective given their population density and proximity to China?

That most of the world - yes, even Sweden and the US - have had to adopt most of the same measure might suggest to you that whatever 'plans' people had in place previously weren't fit for purpose?

When your argument is "Well in 1918 we" it isnt much of a argument to make. Im trying to bring is back to 2018, not 1918. Join me in a this millenium atleast when you are mounting a case

But it's not 2018. That's what you're missing.

Whilst you may not regard this as a legitimate pandemic, it's clear pretty much every government on earth does, and thus the 'simply return to life in 2018' option isn't really viable.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

But they don't.

You're arguing you should be free to make whatever personal choice you like. Those choices don't occur in a vacuum though, which means your choices impact upon others. At what point does your freedom impacting upon someone else mean your freedom should be curtailed?

When we apply water restrictions during a drought do you decide that you should be free to use however much water you like because well, you want to?

That is simple, when your choices have a direct impact on others. Like killing someone for instance, or stealing from them. The notion that people have to be vaxxed to protect others is utter nonsense and would not stand up in any court in a free country because you getting vaxxed or not does not have a direct impact on anyone else. If you are arguing for anything else you are arguing for tyranny.

 

[faible]

That is simple, when your choices have a direct impact on others. Like killing someone for instance, or stealing from them. The notion that people have to be vaxxed to protect others is utter nonsense and would not stand up in any court in a free country because you getting vaxxed or not does not have a direct impact on anyone else. If you are arguing for anything else you are arguing for tyranny.

Good try. But no.

Where there's a communal good from the society erading a disease - think polio, smallpox - then your choice not to get vaccinated does impact upon others.

You don't live in a society of one.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Good try. But no.

Where there's a communal good from the society erading a disease - think polio, smallpox - then your choice not to get vaccinated does impact upon others.

You don't live in a society of one.

In your brain it might but not according to law it doesn't. You have always been allowed to refuse a vaccine and nothing has changed. Your health is your responsibility not anyone else's.

 

[faible]

In your brain it might but not according to law it doesn't. You have always been allowed to refuse a vaccine and nothing has changed. Your health is your responsibility not anyone else's.

Where did I argue it should be illegal to refuse it?

You're trying to make something else up.

Also your final statement doesn't always hold up. If i'm sick and go around knowing infecting others, that's a crime. Because you know, their health is also kind of my responsibility.

It's not black and white like you're pretending it is. As part of a community there's an onus on members of the community to protect others within that community.

A lot of people arguing for 'freedoms' seem to want to have complete autonomy to do whatever they want, but also to have all the benefits of society.

In addition, there's a whole lot of other things - like wearing a mask - that you've been asked to do in the benefit of the communal good, that people are very upset about.

 

[Hawk Dork]

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Do Brazillians think their government cares for them and doesnt lie or mislead them about the chlorine makers and malaria pill industry having their best interests at heart ?

 

[M Malice]

IMO any medical procedure shouldn't be compulsory although there are mitigating circumstances-

1- Can the government make it law that everyone can be forcibly vaccinated, in other words can people be tied down and jabbed?
2- Can the government make it law that you need to be vaccinated to participate in certain activities, eg. attend sporting events/concerts/go shopping at Coles/domestic travel/sit in a restaurant?

1 I can never see happening, 2 I could which will leave it as an individual decision as to whether you are willing to suffer the consequences of the decision not to vaccinate.

The biggest and most intriguing question for me is how they will police item 2, will you be required to carry some sort of vaccine passport, will scan code entry be a permanent thing in society from now on(what about those that don't have smart phones or phones at all, I know a few). Will we require a chip insert indicating vaccine compliance. Or will it be an honour/trust system?

Another concern for me is where does it lead to, will other medical procedures in the future be deemed defacto compulsory.

 

[burge13]

Do Brazillians think their government cares for them and doesnt lie or mislead them about the chlorine makers and malaria pill industry having their best interests at heart ?

Stunned to see you bring up Brazil.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Also your final statement doesn't always hold up. If i'm sick and go around knowing infecting others, that's a crime. Because you know, their health is also kind of my responsibility.

Yes, if you are sick and going around infecting people then you are directly affecting someone else. So you can be quarantined on that basis. That doesn't contradict what I said.

Vaccination programmes need people to be convinced of the benefits and satisfied the risks are low to have a large uptake. With the Covid vaccine we have neither of those conditions met so there will not be a huge uptake so all the people that want everyone to be vaxxed are going to have to accept that it's not going to happen. Anything beyond the govt making the vax available (like making travel or work dependent on it) is illegal and should not be happening, unless of course we are living under some kind of tyrannical dictatorship.

The 'greater good' arguments are, quite frankly, bollocks. Your human rights can only be curtailed if they have a direct impact on some other person.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

IMO any medical procedure shouldn't be compulsory although there are mitigating circumstances-

1- Can the government make it law that everyone can be forcibly vaccinated, in other words can people be tied down and jabbed?
2- Can the government make it law that you need to be vaccinated to participate in certain activities, eg. attend sporting events/concerts/go shopping at Coles/domestic travel/sit in a restaurant?

1 I can never see happening, 2 I could which will leave it as an individual decision as to whether you are willing to suffer the consequences of the decision not to vaccinate.

The biggest and most intriguing question for me is how they will police item 2, will you be required to carry some sort of vaccine passport, will scan code entry be a permanent thing in society from now on(what about those that don't have smart phones or phones at all, I know a few). Will we require a chip insert indicating vaccine compliance. Or will it be an honour/trust system?

Another concern for me is where does it lead to, will other medical procedures in the future be deemed defacto compulsory.

Coercion. Not acceptable in a free society.

 

[Lethal Knights]

 

[Kurve]

Well, there's Scotty on the TV plugging Fortress Australia. We're closed at an international level, until mid 2022.

 

[zill]

Good try. But no.

Where there's a communal good from the society erading a disease - think polio, smallpox - then your choice not to get vaccinated does impact upon others.

You don't live in a society of one.

Why bring up polio and smallpox when getting either of them gives lifelong immunity to them. Covid seems much more likely to be a seasonal thing like influenza, where a high rate of mutation means you likely won't get much, if any lasting immunity. In the case of influenza, vaccines are largely ineffective, because they are based on guesswork.

 

[Lethal Knights]

 

[javaguice]

100% from lab

From 27 minutes

 

[yebiga]

People who had the virus doesnt make them immune to it
Depends on severity, time,genetics and variant ,,,,you can get it more than once

Thanks Doc