Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

On this we very much agree.

For all the time they've now had, it seems they've done very little to actually learn and prepare.

VIC has only just mandated everywhere needs to use the Government QR code app, about 9 months after NSW was doing it. And about 12 months after the Federal Government app could have been setup as a single one nationwide to simply the whole thing.

Hotel Quarantine has now had 12 months where we've seen time and time again that bundling people in to high-rise city hotels is a bad plan, whilst we could easily have knocked up a heap of Howard Springs-esque faciltiies to handle incoming passengers without all the stuff ups.

The Vaccine roll-out has been very haphazard, pushing responsibility on to organisations that have no experience with actually rolling out vaccines instead of relying on the networks that usually does the annual flu vaccine which actually know what they're doing.

The Federal Government has offered appalling leadership, and the State Governments (e.g. McGowan) have used the whole thing to very good political effect.

The QR code is pointless pandering though? It achieves absolutely nothing

My issue is the suppression of proper resourcing to fix the actual issue you wanted to. Resourcing in the medical sector

Can you explain to me why I deal with a lower resourcing pool today then ever in our history (work in medical sector)? Dont you think this is the problem and not well a vaccine from Bill Gates which causes blood clots and only may or may not work? - ie. https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/p...crisis-call-for-ndis-fix-20210514-p57rx7.html

You can come here and sprout that side for sure, but if you care about the whole problem, then you probably need to fix the whole problem instead of intentionally ignoring it to focus on a small subset (ie. coronavirus focus over well childrens hospital having adequate staffing which it does not)

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No, I said the guesswork was about which of the flu variants floating around will be the major ones for that flu season. A guess they usually get more right than wrong. The vaccine itself is generally effective against the variants it's designed to be used against.

So no, they're not randomly throwing a dart.



Ah yes, Bill Gates is controlling every coronavirus vaccine created etc.. etc..

He is controlling the vaccine we are discussing. Why isnt that worthy of including him in the discussion? Do you want him to be in Wuhan pumping bats with viruses before you give him some culpability or something?

The guy is a pedo loving vaccine suppresser and you want to give him a free pass why?

 

[zill]

Ah yes, Bill Gates is controlling every coronavirus vaccine created etc.. etc..

Oxford university was going to donate their vaccine to any drugmaker in the world that wanted it, until gates stepped in and they signed an exclusive deal. He has also been on tv trying to explain why the vaccine production couldn't be widely distributed, if this was truly as bad as we are being told, everything that could be done would be done in regards to vaccine production. But that hasn't happened, it's all about protecting patents, never mind that all these vaccines have been govt funded.

 

[faible]

The QR code is pointless pandering though? It achieves absolutely nothing

Untrue.

My issue is the suppression of proper resourcing to fix the actual issue you wanted to. Resourcing in the medical sector

Yes. I've agreed with you this is a problem as well.

Can you explain to me why I deal with a lower resourcing pool today then ever in our history (work in medical sector)?

People voting for shitty government policy?

you probably need to fix the whole problem

Elect me as PM and I just might do that for you.

He is controlling the vaccine we are discussing.

'The' vaccine? There's more than one. Which one is he controlling? The one we have the technology available at CSL to actually make, or the other one that we can't make?

The guy is a pedo loving vaccine suppresser and you want to give him a free pass why?

I don't see how any of this is relevant to the current thread topic. If you want to create a Bill Gates thread, it might be relevant.

Weirdly shoe horning him in to every coronavirus discussion is a bit QAnony.

Do you want him to be in Wuhan pumping bats with viruses before you give him some culpability or something?

See above. We clearly have different views as to how culpable Gates is in regards to creating SARS-CoV-2. Which is fine. You're allowed to think what you want, I'm allowed to disagree. You just get weirdly personal and hostile when I disagree about it.

Oxford university

So not all vaccines?

We can't even manufacture the mRNA vaccines here as we lack the facilities, and the Oxford-AZ one that we can make is seemingly the least useful of the lot, despite apparently being Gates' super-wealth creating vaccine?

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

There is something super fishy going on with these vaccinations. A friend went yesterday to get her vax (under duress I might add) and she went to a particular hospital to get it and they had none and said they wouldn't have any supply for two weeks and then it would be the second dose only.

Then I see this on Twitter just now.




If they have plenty of supplies at the Exhibition Building and no patients why aren't they distributing them around to other centres that have none?

Everything around this whole experience of the last 14 months from the initial Covid outbreak, to the lock downs, the masks, the jabs, it all stinks to high heaven. You would have to be nuts to think there is not something very dodgy going on in the world at the moment.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not all vaccines. Just the one we use exclusively today and are discussing yes.

Like it magically loses relevance because you dont like to talk about it

Pathetic divert really

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

 

[M Malice]

https://www.peakprosperity.com/foru...iour-in-covid-crisis-totalitarian-scientists/

The full story is behind another publications subscription only paywall, some interesting exerts >
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Members of Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour express regret about ‘unethical’ methods
ByGordon Rayner, ASSOCIATE EDITOR14 May 2021 • 9:00pm

Scientists on a committee that encouraged the use of fear to control people’s behaviour during the Covid pandemic have admitted its work was “unethical” and “totalitarian”. Members of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviour (SPI-B) expressed regret about the tactics in a new book about the role of psychology in the Government’s Covid-19 response.

SPI-B warned in March last year that ministers needed to increase “the perceived level of personal threat” from Covid-19 because “a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened”.

Gavin Morgan, a psychologist on the team, said: “Clearly, using fear as a means of control is not ethical. Using fear smacks of totalitarianism. It’s not an ethical stance for any modern government.”

One SPI-B scientist told Ms Dodsworth: “In March [2020] the Government was very worried about compliance and they thought people wouldn’t want to be locked down. There were discussions about fear being needed to encourage compliance, and decisions were made about how to ramp up the fear. The way we have used fear is dystopian. The use of fear has definitely been ethically questionable. It’s been like a weird experiment. Ultimately, it backfired because people became too scared.”

Another SPI-B member said: “You could call psychology ‘mind control’. That’s what we do… clearly we try and go about it in a positive way, but it has been used nefariously in the past.”

One warned that “people use the pandemic to grab power and drive through things that wouldn’t happen otherwise… We have to be very careful about the authoritarianism that is creeping in”.

Another said: “Without a vaccine, psychology is your main weapon… Psychology has had a really good epidemic, actually.”

Another member of SPI-B said they were “stunned by the weaponisation of behavioural psychology” during the pandemic, and that “psychologists didn’t seem to notice when it stopped being altruistic and became manipulative. They have too much power and it intoxicates them”.
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Nothing there that we didn't already know, governments have been using fear tactics to accumulate power and foster compliance and obedience for centuries.

 

[zill]

So not all vaccines?

We can't even manufacture the mRNA vaccines here as we lack the facilities, and the Oxford-AZ one that we can make is seemingly the least useful of the lot, despite apparently being Gates' super-wealth creating vaccine?

I don't know how many he is involved with, but he did step in to ensure that oxford university signed an exclusive agreement rather than sharing. And to think gates isn't into vaccines for his own profit is just naive.

 

[faible]

Just the one we use exclusively today

We don't though?

We use two; AZ and Pfizer, with the Moderna one very likely to be added to that.

You make these authoritative statements whilst getting basic facts very wrong.

 

[Kurve]

There is something super fishy going on with these vaccinations. A friend went yesterday to get her vax (under duress I might add) and she went to a particular hospital to get it and they had none and said they wouldn't have any supply for two weeks and then it would be the second dose only.

Then I see this on Twitter just now.




If they have plenty of supplies at the Exhibition Building and no patients why aren't they distributing them around to other centres that have none?

Everything around this whole experience of the last 14 months from the initial Covid outbreak, to the lock downs, the masks, the jabs, it all stinks to high heaven. You would have to be nuts to think there is not something very dodgy going on in the world at the moment.

It's weird but they could just be really disorganised, slack on top. My local GP has an allotment of only 50 vaccines per week which I know is short for what they need, not only are there are 10 doctors who operate out of his clinic and you have to book way ahead to get in but I've seen the list of people waiting to get a call for the shot. It's probably 50 pages long and that was weeks ago.

 

[faible]

It's weird but they could just be really disorganised

This basically sums up most of what goes on with the government. Instead of using the existing networks that distribute the flu vaccine every year, they went with something totally different that has managed to totally stuff it up.

 

[Bootstrap]

This is what the World Economic Forum posted and then swiftly took down after receiving backlash. Then they reposted it with a different heading

Coincidentally ... AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Pzifer are all partners of the WEF

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We don't though?

We use two; AZ and Pfizer, with the Moderna one very likely to be added to that.

You make these authoritative statements whilst getting basic facts very wrong.

I actually know the answer to this in W.A

WA has administered 113,000 vaccines. What percentage are Pfizer, Moderna or J&J?

 

[Registered User]

Fauci's criminal malpractice and killing of medical freedom * WorldNetDaily * by Joel S. Hirschhorn

Joel S. Hirschhorn decries harmful virus protocol that eschewed early treatment

www.wnd.com

 

[Kurve]

This basically sums up most of what goes on with the government. Instead of using the existing networks that distribute the flu vaccine every year, they went with something totally different that has managed to totally stuff it up.

There's a real disconnect between the messaging we get at both a federal and state level and the reality we experience. It hasn't helped at all with public confidence.

Aside and through all the 'but coronavirus!' excuses I've been trying to get simple answers to simple questions from state and local government for 12 months. My local MP gave me direct referrals and I can't even get an email back. The only thing I got was a birthday card with a picture of Parliament House on the front of it ......

It wasn't even my birthday.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's weird but they could just be really disorganised, slack on top. My local GP has an allotment of only 50 vaccines per week which I know is short for what they need, not only are there are 10 doctors who operate out of his clinic and you have to book way ahead to get in but I've seen the list of people waiting to get a call for the shot. It's probably 50 pages long and that was weeks ago.

A wild guess mate. Zero clarity, zero transparency. No one knows why and I suspect its a case of them not wanting too know why myself

 

[faible]

I actually know the answer to this in W.A

WA has administered 113,000 vaccines. What percentage are Pfizer, Moderna or J&J?

I'd assume 0% Moderna & J&J as they're not TGA approved, I know healthcare workers in both VIC and QLD that have had Pfizer so it's certainly not solely the AZ option despite that being the only one we can manufacture locally.

 

[faible]

There's a real disconnect between the messaging we get at both a federal and state level and the reality we experience. It hasn't helped at all with public confidence.

Aside and through all the 'but coronavirus!' excuses I've been trying to get simple answers to simple questions from state and local government for 12 months. My local MP gave me direct referrals and I can't even get an email back. The only thing I got was a birthday card with a picture of Parliament House on the front of it ......

It wasn't even my birthday.

A competent Federal Government response would certainly have resolved a lot of the issues we've seen where State Premiers have spent the last 12 months pointing the finger at one another in order to score points instead of working out what a best-practice response actually looks like.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

A competent Federal Government response would certainly have resolved a lot of the issues we've seen where State Premiers have spent the last 12 months pointing the finger at one another in order to score points instead of working out what a best-practice response actually looks like.

Would you blame Federal Govt for the low vaccination rates too? I certainly do

 

[Hawk Dork]

You've lost the plot. Seek help

I have the same concerns about you so I will take your advice with that in mind

Please go though

PS love how when your theories are challenged your only go to is personal attack...not strong on debate...

 

[faible]

Would you blame Federal Govt for the low vaccination rates too? I certainly do

I think they're partly responsible, yes.

 

[Bootstrap]

I identify as a vaccinated person and nobody can tell me otherwise or I will call them a bigot.

 

[burge13]

I have the same concerns about you so I will take your advice with that in mind

Please go though

PS love how when your theories are challenged your only go to is personal attack...not strong on debate...

When have you challenged anything? Ive listed 50 problems with lockdown and you never reply with anything of substance. You bring up Brazil which isnt relevant. Nothing in your reply here is worthy of thought.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]