Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Fwoy]

So reckon Melbourne's lockdown ruined their economy?

depends. How many pubs, restaurants, coffee shops, retail outlets etc failing to re-open or opening with reduced income constitutes ruining the economy?

 

[GuzzLG]

So reckon Melbourne's lockdown ruined their economy?

How did Melbourne’s lockdown protect the health of the guy who killed himself in hotel quarantine?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

How did Melbourne’s lockdown protect the health of the guy who killed himself in hotel quarantine?

You can't use one isolated incident to say lockdowns should be banned.
Lockdowns do far more good than bad.
Have a look at England and America, hospitals overflowing with patients, morgues hiring freezer trucks, nurses in distress.
Your basing all your views on your rusted on ideology instead of using a common sense approach.
Lockdowns are necessary to save lives, health costs and are ultimately better for the economy.
If the virus gets out of control you have to lockdown for longer and that's worse for the economy.

 

[Spazz Cat]

So reckon Melbourne's lockdown ruined their economy?

As I thought you aren't from Melbourne since the minor inconvenience of lockdown comments.
It has ruined parts of the economy. Particularly for the young, the arts which is a big sector here and small buisness and hospitality have been hit so hard.
Some though have cleaned up. People like Gerry Harvey and investors in large chains have done extremely well.
I assume your from WA? There is a reason it is so protected. It's not just your premier being a megalomaniac.
If WA had an outbreak would you support shutting down Port Headland?
I know you wouldn't as you don't seem crazy.
Suddenly the economy would become rather important then.
It just seems like from your comments unless something really affects you, you just don't care.

 

[Spazz Cat]

You can't use one isolated incident to say lockdowns should be banned.
Lockdowns do far more good than bad.
Have a look at England and America, hospitals overflowing with patients, morgues hiring freezer trucks, nurses in distress.
Your basing all your views on your rusted on ideology instead of using a common sense approach.
Lockdowns are necessary to save lives, health costs and are ultimately better for the economy.
If the virus gets out of control you have to lockdown for longer and that's worse for the economy.

You have a science background. You should know better than to compare us to America or England.
Why not compare us to Sweeden? Proven that lockdowns make no difference.
But I know that won't suit your narrative.
Even though Science is about looking at all data and being objective.
On one hand your so clinical about following the epidemiology without worrying about the social cost but on the other hand your also guided by emotion because your sister contracted Covid.
Which is fair enough, I don't blame you.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

As I thought you aren't from Melbourne since the minor inconvenience of lockdown comments.
It has ruined parts of the economy. Particularly for the young, the arts which is a big sector here and small buisness and hospitality have been hit so hard.
Some though have cleaned up. People like Gerry Harvey and investors in large chains have done extremely well.
I assume your from WA? There is a reason it is so protected. It's not just your premier being a megalomaniac.
If WA had an outbreak would you support shutting down Port Headland?
I know you wouldn't as you don't seem crazy.
It just seems like from your comments unless something really affects you, you just don't care.

I am from Melbourne.
Your point that the coronvirus is overated or a conspiracy is ridiculous.
You need to curb it spreading not just pretend it's not happening.
Look what has happened in America when a covid skeptic is in charge. They've lost their position in the world and stuffed their economy for years.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

You have a science background. You should know better than to compare us to America or England.
Why not compare us to Sweeden? Proven that lockdowns make no difference.
But I know that won't suit your narrative.
Even though Science is about looking at all data and being objective.
On one hand your so clinical about following the epidemiology without worrying about the social cost but on the other hand your also guided by emotion because your sister contracted Covid.
Which is fair enough, I don't blame you.

Sweden has been a massive stuff up.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

2015 -- 55,820,000 people died
2016 -- 56,330,000 people died
2017 -- 56,940,000 people died
2018 -- 57,630,000 people died
2019 -- 58,390,000 people died

There was no unusual amount of excess deaths in 2020.
58,972,613 deaths in 2020
1,824,074 "COVID19 deaths" in 2020.

There were only 582,613 more deaths in the world in 2020 than in 2019.

The yearly average over the last 5 years for increases in deaths worldwide is 642,000.

Doesn't sound like a real pandemic if you look back on the statistics.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I am from Melbourne.
Your point that the coronvirus is overated or a conspiracy is ridiculous.
You need to curb it spreading not just pretend it's not happening.
Look what has happened in America when a covid skeptic is in charge. They've lost their position in the world and stuffed their economy for years.

I've never once said it's a conspiracy.
Like the Trump thing you just try to shut down any reasonable arguments with lies.
One thing I am a massive skeptic of though is that your from Melbourne.
I do not believe you I'm afraid.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Sweden has been a massive stuff up.

Exactly the same as other European countries. Slightly better.

 

[burge13]

You can't use one isolated incident to say lockdowns should be banned.
Lockdowns do far more good than bad.

Wrong. Not only wrong, its so dumb i cant fathom it.

Lockdowns solve 1 problem. Covid
Problems caused by lockdowns. Childrens education ruined, funerals banned, business closed, poverty on the rise, the rich got richer which all the lefties hate i thought?, weddings cancelled, cant visit families, dementia presents up to 40% earlier due to isolation, cancer screenings 30-40% down around the country, mortgage delinquency to rise in 21, poverty well up and sending more below poverty line. Want me to go on?

So yeah, for sure lockdowns do more good than bad /s. What a ****ing terrible take

 

[Spazz Cat]

Wrong. Not only wrong, its so dumb i cant fathom it.

Lockdowns solve 1 problem. Covid
Problems caused by lockdowns. Childrens education ruined, funerals banned, business closed, poverty on the rise, the rich got richer which all the lefties hate i thought?, weddings cancelled, cant visit families, dementia presents up to 40% earlier due to isolation, cancer screenings 30-40% down around the country, mortgage delinquency to rise in 21, poverty well up and sending more below poverty line. Want me to go on?

So yeah, for sure lockdowns do more good than bad /s. What a ******* terrible take

I can't understand the "lockdowns save lives" line. What a cliche!
California has had strict lockdowns and the covid cases are going through the bloody roof.
You need actual proof to say stuff like that. Not just a hunch.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Wrong. Not only wrong, its so dumb i cant fathom it.

Lockdowns solve 1 problem. Covid
Problems caused by lockdowns. Childrens education ruined, funerals banned, business closed, poverty on the rise, the rich got richer which all the lefties hate i thought?, weddings cancelled, cant visit families, dementia presents up to 40% earlier due to isolation, cancer screenings 30-40% down around the country, mortgage delinquency to rise in 21, poverty well up and sending more below poverty line. Want me to go on?

So yeah, for sure lockdowns do more good than bad /s. What a ******* terrible take

You're entitled to your unprofesional opinion like anyone, but you're in the minority and polititians that lock down at appropriate times are extremely popular.

 

[Fwoy]

people are dumb

 

[Run n Spread]

You can't use one isolated incident to say lockdowns should be banned.
Lockdowns do far more good than bad.
Have a look at England and America, hospitals overflowing with patients, morgues hiring freezer trucks, nurses in distress.
Your basing all your views on your rusted on ideology instead of using a common sense approach.
Lockdowns are necessary to save lives, health costs and are ultimately better for the economy.
If the virus gets out of control you have to lockdown for longer and that's worse for the economy.

But that is exactly what pro lockdowners do. Ignore the numbers which say fatality is primarily over life expectancy and there has been no unusual spike in deaths then taking isolated cases of people with underlying issues to justify this?
Then ignoring increases in suicides and flow on deaths caused by delayed medical care, hunger due to food disruptions and poverty.
Why are all deaths Ok except a covid death.
How many other 100 year Olds get a press conference when they cark it?
What other point in human history have non sick people spread viruses?
How long are we supposed to keep locking down anyway each time we get a case? A year? 5 years? 10 years? For a 99.7% survival rate.
A vaccine apparently won't stop a virus spreading and is no guarantee to work so how long?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

But that is exactly what pro lockdowners do. Ignore the numbers which say fatality is primarily over life expectancy and there has been no spike in deaths then taking isolated cases.
Then ignoring increases in suicides and flow on deaths caused by delayed medical care, hunger due to good disruptions and poverty.
Why are all deaths Ok except a covid death.
How many 100 year Olds get a press conference when they cark it?

In Australia , we are in a unique position to get close to eradication because of our island borders and long distance from Europe and America.
The Melb lockdown saved the rest of Australia and ulimately Australia's economy from bigger lockdowns imo.

 

[Run n Spread]

2015 -- 55,820,000 people died
2016 -- 56,330,000 people died
2017 -- 56,940,000 people died
2018 -- 57,630,000 people died
2019 -- 58,390,000 people died

There was no unusual amount of excess deaths in 2020.
58,972,613 deaths in 2020
1,824,074 "COVID19 deaths" in 2020.

There were only 582,613 more deaths in the world in 2020 than in 2019.

The yearly average over the last 5 years for increases in deaths worldwide is 642,000.

Doesn't sound like a real pandemic if you look back on the statistics.

Takes into account increased age demographics across the world and rapidly increased population each year which is why you get increases each year. If you look at deaths per 100000 there is no difference
And even in a pandemic where's the evidence lockdowns work?

 

[burge13]

You're entitled to your unprofesional opinion like anyone, but you're in the minority and polititians that lock down at appropriate times are extremely popular.

Thus proving it isnt about health but them keeping their jobs. The sheep are easily controlled via fear

 

[Run n Spread]

In Australia , we are in a unique position to get close to eradication because of our island borders and long distance from Europe and America.
The Melb lockdown saved the rest of Australia and ulimately Australia's economy from bigger lockdowns imo.

So flatten the curve has gone out the window and we still haven't eradicated it. Again how long?
And when has a lockdown ever eradicated a virus?

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Thus proving it isnt about health but them keeping their jobs. The sheep are easily controlled via fear

Come off it.

 

[Run n Spread]

As to the economy if you work buy food live somewhere take transport or drive you are part of the economy. In fact participating in society you are part of the economy. It isn't just a bunch of people in suits around a boardroom.
The damage this is beginning to do is nowhere near realised. Once payments end and the long term effects take effect is where damage will be seen.
What is urgent is this crap ends before we are totally ruined and have to rebuild (but as per the WEF I suspect that is the idea)

 

[Spazz Cat]

In Australia , we are in a unique position to get close to eradication because of our island borders and long distance from Europe and America.
The Melb lockdown saved the rest of Australia and ulimately Australia's economy from bigger lockdowns imo.

How's the weather in Melbourne today? Going down to Stkilda?

 

[Seedsman_]

You're entitled to your unprofesional opinion like anyone, but you're in the minority and polititians that lock down at appropriate times are extremely popular.

COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus | UN Global Compact

unglobalcompact.org

This article talks about the ramifcations of what the self inflicted global economic disaster could mean for those in starvation. An unprecedented humanitarian crisis with estimates over 130 million additional deaths.

 

[Spazz Cat]

COVID-related hunger could kill more people than the virus | UN Global Compact

unglobalcompact.org

This article talks about the ramifcations of what the self inflicted global economic disaster could mean for those in starvation. An unprecedented humanitarian crisis with estimates over 130 million additional deaths.

It absolutely will. No doubt whatsoever.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

How's the weather in Melbourne today? Going down to Stkilda?

What are you insinuating ? I don't want to cause a kerfuffle but your username is offensive .
I'm inside my house in Northcote watching the news and commenting on bigfooty.
Going to Ocean Grove beach this week.