Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Hawk Dork]

Seems Murdochs MSM is behind all the antimasker RWNJ Liberal Party youtube campaign ...just wondering who the sheeple are again ?

How an anti-mask firebrand fans the right's flames against Dan Andrews online

Monica Smit’s campaigning Reignite Democracy website has attracted conservative MPs’ interest and used mainstream media to amplify its message

www.theguardian.com

 

[Steele13]

Seems Murdochs MSM is behind all the antimasker RWNJ Liberal Party youtube campaign ...just wondering who the sheeple are again ?

How an anti-mask firebrand fans the right's flames against Dan Andrews online

Monica Smit’s campaigning Reignite Democracy website has attracted conservative MPs’ interest and used mainstream media to amplify its message

www.theguardian.com

You're like a dog with a bone. Yes right wing people are just a susceptible to being led astray by mainstream media as left wing people. But it appears you've fallen for the adage that every person who is against masks or lockdowns is by definition a right wing nut job.

 

[Lethal Knights]

This Babbitt women was a conspiracy theorist who claimed Joe Biden r*ped children.

'She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist

Babbitt, shot by police on Wednesday, saw storming of Capitol as a pivotal moment for the country

www.google.com

Lol...you’re getting embarrassingly desperate now.
In fact your post should and would be deleted from any other board for lack of any relevance to what we are discussing here.
But it should be kept here as a reminder of your blatant base trolling.

 

[Run n Spread]

Go to original sources, the Lancet, NEJM where what is being published is not even close to what the press is saying. Some "peer reviewed" and published information is fake, but this is called out 2 weeks after publication instead of being found out in the peer review. This happened to two fraudulent articles on HCQ and although they were retracted, the WHO still quoted them and the fake information was absorbed by media, and not corrected. Alarm bells started ringing when poorly designed internet surveys that didn't rely on any tests identify positive COVID cases, were called "gold standard" RCTs and published to push a fake agenda.

Go to original sources like interviews and direct quotes, and many may be suppressed so small publishers have bene important. For example, the person who invented the Rt-PCR test who says on many occasions this test should not be used for detecting infections and explains why, and this is supported by hundreds of drs and scientists world wide. But we are relying of positive tests, which can be turned up or down as wanted, and confusing them with positive cases

Follow the money as many who are making false claims have received huge amounts of money from those who will profit from the situation, or will lose their job if they speak the truth, or some are just useful idiots. Medical journal editors complain they are pressured by big pharma to publish what they want. People in positons giving governments advice are found to have big stakes in vaccine and pharma companies and have received money or positions that compromise them, as one example.

If you are not able to read and understand academic papers and check their research and references then you need to find an expert that can, because relying on some public officers and press to tell you what to believe when it's known that false information is being presented and fear is being used to present a different narrative. In my opinion, people that might start to question are usually ones that have had a personal experience where they discovered the press was lying to them or someone close they trust, or can't discount the value of education that included studying books or history with similarities or an upbringing that values critical thinking.

Sometimes it might be discovering that suppression or censorship of information is happening and you are being controlled to think or act in certain ways might make people search for the truth.

Spot on and said it better then I could articulate.
Also those experts you sight are consistent in their approach and seek the truth with the information they have.
The MSm and sloganeers and other officials have changed their message and their story so many times that they have to do mental gymnastics.
Flatten the curve v eradicate
Save medical resources v test test test
No masks v mask up

Thing is alarming is people have the memory of goldfish so can't critically think. Busy trying to justify a ludicrous response then putting all information together and creating a considered approach

 

[Lethal Knights]

More calls from medical professionals and scientists (are they conspiracy theorists too? face more censorship

It seems govts have been all in on big pharma vaccines for too long now to consider anything else.

It it truly was about saving lives this stuff would be given free air and widely distributed.

 

[Steele13]

Go to original sources, the Lancet, NEJM where what is being published is not even close to what the press is saying. Some "peer reviewed" and published information is fake, but this is called out 2 weeks after publication instead of being found out in the peer review. This happened to two fraudulent articles on HCQ and although they were retracted, the WHO still quoted them and the fake information was absorbed by media, and not corrected. Alarm bells started ringing when poorly designed internet surveys that didn't rely on any tests identify positive COVID cases, were called "gold standard" RCTs and published to push a fake agenda.

Go to original sources like interviews and direct quotes, and many may be suppressed so small publishers have bene important. For example, the person who invented the Rt-PCR test who says on many occasions this test should not be used for detecting infections and explains why, and this is supported by hundreds of drs and scientists world wide. But we are relying of positive tests, which can be turned up or down as wanted, and confusing them with positive cases

Follow the money as many who are making false claims have received huge amounts of money from those who will profit from the situation, or will lose their job if they speak the truth, or some are just useful idiots. Medical journal editors complain they are pressured by big pharma to publish what they want. People in positons giving governments advice are found to have big stakes in vaccine and pharma companies and have received money or positions that compromise them, as one example.

If you are not able to read and understand academic papers and check their research and references then you need to find an expert that can, because relying on some public officers and press to tell you what to believe when it's known that false information is being presented and fear is being used to present a different narrative. In my opinion, people that might start to question are usually ones that have had a personal experience where they discovered the press was lying to them or someone close they trust, or can't discount the value of education that included studying books or history with similarities or an upbringing that values critical thinking.

Sometimes it might be discovering that suppression or censorship of information is happening and you are being controlled to think or act in certain ways might make people search for the truth.

Very good post. Like Aristotle I also have a Science background. One of my professors was a very pragmatic, sensible man and one thing he said that always stuck with me was that anything you see Science related in the news should nearly every time be ignored, because they are masters at picking out whatever information they want. Often to make fairly benign science stories, news stories. And there is a huge difference between the two. Those that parrot the line "we have to follow the science" usually have next to no idea of the scientific method, and can only follow what they've seen in the news.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Because they're going for eradication of the virus and the strain is the one that spreads quicker.

May as well ban sex so we can eradicate HIV?

 

[Run n Spread]

I agree with everything you wrote except this part.

I used to believe in viruses, too, until the events of last year led to look into the 'science' behind virology and epidemiology.

It is all one gigantic ruse.

People do get sick, they do die, but not from 'viruses' spreading from person to person.

I don't expect anybody reading this to believe me, however I hope that some people will look into these things for themselves.

We've been conned six ways from sunday.

You've picked my curiousity. Why do you say that? What do you think gets people sick? What are viral alternatives if viruses don't exist. Say HIV for example

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You've picked my curiousity. Why do you say that? What do you think gets people sick? What are viral alternatives if viruses don't exist. Say HIV for example

Its bacteria.

That’s why its worse in UK then say Japan. Cooler conditions worsen the situation as the bacteria lives longer and thrives on those conditions

If people want to believe that a virus or bacteria or anything doesn’t interact differently based on heat or cold we literally need to change everything we do. We also need to ignore global warming. If the temperature has no influence, then what’s it matter

 

[Run n Spread]

Its bacteria.

That’s why its worse in UK then say Japan. Cooler conditions worsen the situation as the bacteria lives longer and thrives on those conditions

If people want to believe that a virus or bacteria or anything doesn’t interact differently based on heat or cold we literally need to change everything we do. We also need to ignore global warming. If the temperature has no influence, then what’s it matter

Yeah I get all that and agree.
More interested in the claim viruses don't exist or we can't catch them direct from others.
The latter is correct in that you need to be a direct contact (i.e sleep with someone with a high viral load) or touch share food or direct surface off an infected person but it's still transmission and the virus still exists.
It's more the nuance I guess. Granted the ridiculous crap the virus is passing off sweat droplets of joggers as they momentarily jog past or coming through car vents or infecting 5000 at the cricket is nonesense

 

[ioppolo]

Viruses are already present in the human body are they not?

 

[BlueE]

We had a perfectly good pandemic response plan updated as soon as 2019. Why is wasn't implemented I don't know.
Problem with lockdowns is locking down the healthy is based on asymptomatic spread which is unproven.
Couple of points
A virus is not alive. They don't mutate as such. It is basically a strain that replicates in host cells. It can lay dormant on surfaces but does not jump around replicating like The Simpsons episode.
Secondly part of our DNA has evolved from previous viral matter that adapted to the host. Our immune system formed when viruses from one cell tried to destroy one from another.
Point being we are exposed to millions of viruses and bacteria across our lives. Our immune system copes. Where it doesn't is when we are immune compromised and run down or we cop such a large dose it overwhelms our immune defences and we fall sick. (i.e being in close contact with a bat/lab where the virus leaps).
The notion that an asymptomatic person can run around killing thousands is frankly bullshit imo

Well said!

University of Florida performed a meta-analysis of 54 studies with 77 758 participants, looking at the household secondary attack rate of SARS-CoV-2. The secondary attack rate for symptomatic index cases was 18.0% (95% CI 14.2%-22.1%), and the rate of asymptomatic and presymptomatic index cases was 0.7% (95% CI 0%-4.9%).

Conformed by the Chinese study of 10,000,000 participants, (I have a few extra questions on this), and the WHO technical lead on COVID-19 response that asymptomatic patients are not passing on the infection. Weird how the political pressure got to her and she slightly changed this the next day.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

1 ****ing case of the sniffles and QLD hit the panic button as do a couple other states in the process.

0 0 0 the next three days and 147 negatives from close contacts from this highly contagious, fast moving new UK death strain

Hope the Brisbanites are enjoying their 3 day lockdown experiment, the QLD government now knows you will comply as a bonus to panicking so will do it again.

 

[maryjames]

Police are told to fine Covid rule-breakers after just ONE warning

Officers in England will 'move through the gears' and charge people £200 if they think a person is flouting the restrictions and they will not go home when asked once.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Viruses are already present in the human body are they not?

If you think you don’t have viruses, think again.

It may be hard to fathom, but the human body is occupied by large collections of microorganisms, commonly referred to as our microbiome, that have evolved with us since the early days of man. Scientists have only recently begun to quantify the microbiome, and discovered it is inhabited by at least 38 trillion bacteria. More intriguing, perhaps, is that bacteria are not the most abundant microbes that live in and on our bodies. That award goes to viruses.

It has been estimated that there are over 380 trillion viruses inhabiting us, a community collectively known as the human virome. But these viruses are not the dangerous ones you commonly hear about, like those that cause the flu or the common cold, or more sinister infections like Ebola or dengue. Many of these viruses infect the bacteria that live inside you and are known as bacteriophages, or phages for short. The human body is a breeding ground for phages, and despite their abundance, we have very little insight into what all they or any of the other viruses in the body are doing.

I've got no idea how they come up with these numbers .

https://www.inverse.com/article/49747-what-is-the-human-virome

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

It looks rolling blackouts around the world are not too far off.

Close to 220 million without power in Pakistan at the moment.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Coming soon unfortunately, Thanks to the sheep who've continued to play the game & obey every order given.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Same shit as Bill Gates ID2020.

Those who're willing to participate in these games, Don't realise all of this technology will be here permanently, inside them.

 

[Deni]

Ivé got shocking hayfever, sneezing like ivé got grass seeds up my nose, which in turn makes me sniffle all the time and cough...
And hayfever pills arn't cheap, so if I was out, would I have to protect everyone from my hayfever sniffles by wearing a mask?
Asking for a friend

 

[mouncey2franklin]

You've picked my curiousity. Why do you say that? What do you think gets people sick? What are viral alternatives if viruses don't exist. Say HIV for example

People get sick for a number of reasons which generally come back to environment and lifestyle.

Not enough sunlight, not enough nutritious food, not enough water, not enough exercise, and so forth.

Too much crap food, too much alcohol and other drugs, and so on.

The mental aspect is huge as well. There is a definite mind-body connection.

People with healthy mental attitudes, purpose in life, positive mindsets, are less likely to fall ill.

'What about cancer'? Mostly a ruse.

Oncologists, surgeons, and a large proportion of the medical industrial complex depend on diagnosing and treating cancer.

See if you can find a genuine peer reviewed study comparing a control group of 'cancer' sufferers who DON'T get medical industrial treatment, with a group of people who do (e.g. chemotherapy), and compare the outcomes.

People don't die from cancer, they die from cancer 'treatments'.

But we are brainwashed with so much pro-MIC propaganda on our TVs that most people will never realise what is going on.

Chicago Hope, ER, All Saints, those were the popular shows when I was a kid.

I don't know what is popular now but I'll bet there's heaps of similarly themed shows on TV / Amazon / Netflix today.

Ask anybody if they know somebody who was harmed or almost killed by medical malpractice. Almost all of us do.

And yet these same people will never see the forest for the trees i.e. the MIC is not our friend.

As I said, brainwashing.

The only thing I'd ever go to a hospital for is severe blood loss which I am unable to stop myself.

Other than some extreme example like that, I would stay the hell away from a hospital. Money-leeching death traps.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

1 ******* case of the sniffles and QLD hit the panic button as do a couple other states in the process.

They didn't 'hit the panic button'.

The leaders of this are not in the slightest bit concerned. They know what the are doing.

Slowly but surely dismantling small business, civil liberties, and childhood education as we know it.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

You've picked my curiousity. Why do you say that? What do you think gets people sick? What are viral alternatives if viruses don't exist. Say HIV for example

This is it in a nutshell, sort of. Bear in mind no-one has ever actually isolated a virus.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Ivé got shocking hayfever, sneezing like ivé got grass seeds up my nose, which in turn makes me sniffle all the time and cough...
And hayfever pills arn't cheap, so if I was out, would I have to protect everyone from my hayfever sniffles by wearing a mask?
Asking for a friend

No, the answer is no. Remember this all ends when we the people say no.

Get tested..................NO
Isolate for 2 weeks...........NO
Quarantine at your own cost...........NO
Wear a mask...........NO
Lockdown for x number of days/weeks/months.............NO
Sign in wherever you go so we can tell you to test and isolate even if you were not in the venue at the same time as the sick person.................NO

 

[GuzzLG]

Reinvent cities to ride out COVID

A national contact tracing system that doesn't need an app would help Australia's cities survive and thrive in the COVID era - if only states stopped doing their own thing.

www.afr.com

Some bits for those that can't get past the paywall:

But Ms Letts argues Australia could keep its cities vibrant and people who can't work at home in jobs by developing the world's best contact tracing system and getting everyone around the nation to use it.

"It's critical for the Commonwealth and state authorities to pick the best, most reliable tracking and tracking system and universalise it around Australia for retail, transport, aged care – the works."

A new tracing system developed by former Federation University pro-vice chancellor Dr Joseph Lawrence, which doesn't require an app or everyone to carry around a mobile phone, is "brilliant" but hasn't got traction because state authorities want to do their own thing, Ms Letts said.

Adoption of the system would lead to Australians getting their own personal QR code and a serial number at post offices after showing ID like a driver's licence or Medicare card and providing their contact details. While the QR code could be saved on a phone, it could also be printed out on a laminated card or on stickers to put on children's backpacks, wheelchairs or even a guide dog.

Currently each state has its own QR code system, putting the onus on people to download apps and voluntarily "check in" to restaurants and other venues. People that don't have a phone or app are usually asked to write down their names on a piece of paper – but some write down false names or illegible contact details, making it hard to trace them when there is a virus outbreak.

Dr Lawrence says the advantages of his system include more accurate collection of contact numbers, which would be held in a central database accessible by health authorities, and better privacy, because the venues that scan peoples' QR codes would only see the code, not the phone numbers.

Nor would the system need internet access to work because scanners could be used to read the QR codes, in the same way that supermarkets scan shoppers' loyalty cards.

Serial numbers issued with the QR codes could also be linked to public transport, ride share and frequent flyer accounts, making it easier to find and to trace people during outbreaks, he said.

While there has been resistance to the idea from politicians, who worry that it would smack of an identity card, it may appeal to Australians who don't want to be locked down in a state bubble every time there is an outbreak, he said.

"We can effectively have the safest country in the world," Dr Lawrence said, adding everyone who was a close contact of an infected person in NSW's December COVID outbreak – whether they had been on a bus, in a supermarket or in a gym – would have been notified instantly under his tracing system.

"I think people would rather a digital card that is essentially going to do the job for them without having the risk of future of lockdowns and this torment of economic and health crises."

Federation University has assigned the intellectual property developed by Dr Lawrence to him so that it can be developed in the public interest. He has discussed the idea with Victorian ministers, federal Urban Infrastructure Minister Alan Tudge and sent details to Nev Power, chair of the National COVID-19 Commission.