Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[twotooto]

No SPIN Can't really fault your logic in this thread. Hard to get actual reasonable discussion on this website(or anywhere, with anything) with differing views being expressed without people resorting to histrionics. You seem pretty reasonable to me

Some questions ~

Accounting for the IFRs, the CFRs, the age demographics etc(especially with respect to previous viruses) do you think the responses around the globe have been warranted/proportionate to the virus?

Do you think the virus in humans was via zoonosis? If not then how? Are you ok with the responses and how everything is unfolding? Where/how do you think the virus originated/began?

If you think they are over the top, what would your reasons be?

Monumental incompetence?
By design?
Fear? Hysteria? Leading to overreaction?
Ulterior motive?

 

[M Malice]

Here's a video of the hoax by BigPharma in 2009 that the swine flu was the next pandemic.
Look familiar.

Note after that the WHO lowered the threshold for declaring a pandemic, and again in Feb 2020 lowered it again.

In 2010 Bill and Melinda Gates started pouring money into the industry. No wonder they laughed on their interview. Cha ching.

That is a fantastic short video, I'd never seen it before. Concisely explains what big Pharma's primary goal is ie. $$$$, anyone who thinks their primary goal is good health is deluded IMO, I don't trust them or politicians.

Very short version of a story I have posted in detail elsewhere- I was on Statins and blood pressure medication for over a decade, I did my own research and decided to gradually take myself off them without telling my GP/specialists(I get regular blood tests). After over a year off them my blood test results and cholesterol readings were fine(and continue to be a couple of years later), I also had a 24 hour blood pressure monitor attached to me via a request from me.. all fine. My GP and specialists were dumbstruck when I told them I had been off them for so long.

Also went off(gradually) 20+ years of daily Ventolin and Qvar inhalers for asthma, this one was more down to me taking ownership of my own health and more research though, IMO breathing techniques and Yoga cured it and I haven't had to use any sort of puffer for over 3 years.

By and large the medical industrial complex wants you to be sick so they can come in after the fact and medicate you, preferably for the rest of your life eg. cholesterol and blood pressure medication, they are not interested in jumping in early to stop the sickness before it gets hold. Where they are fantastic though is trauma/emergency situations like car accidents, stabbings, poisonings, burns, fractures etc.

FWIW I don't buy the narrative that vaccine companies are systematically attempting to depopulate the planet, they want sick people not dead ones.

 

[M Malice]

No SPIN Can't really fault your logic in this thread. Hard to get actual reasonable discussion on this website(or anything, anywhere) with differing views being expressed without people resorting to histrionics. You seem pretty reasonable to me

Some questions ~

Accounting for the IFRs, the CFRs, the age demographics etc(especially with respect to previous viruses) do you think the responses around the globe have been warranted/proportionate to the virus?

Do you think the virus in humans was via zoonosis? If not then how? Are you ok with the responses and how everything is unfolding? Where/how do you think the virus originated/began?

If you think they are over the top, what would your reasons be?

Monumental incompetence?
By design?
Fear? Hysteria? Leading to overreaction?
Ulterior motive?

Great post.

Why the hell we just didn't throw massive support into protecting the elderly, obese, those with morbidities is beyond me... children and healthy adults under around 50 years of age are at miniscule risk, let them get on with their lives for f..k sake.

 

[twotooto]

That is a fantastic short video, I'd never seen it before. Concisely explains what big Pharma's primary goal is ie. $$$$, anyone who thinks their primary goal is good health is deluded IMO, I don't trust them or politicians.

Very short version of a story I have posted in detail elsewhere- I was on Statins and blood pressure medication for over a decade, I did my own research and decided to gradually take myself off them without telling my GP/specialists(I get regular blood tests). After over a year off them my blood test results and cholesterol readings were fine(and continue to be a couple of years later), I also had a 24 hour blood pressure monitor attached to me via a request from me.. all fine. My GP and specialists were dumbstruck when I told them I had been off them for so long.

Also went off(gradually) 20+ years of daily Ventolin and Qvar inhalers for asthma, this one was more down to me taking ownership of my own health and more research though, IMO breathing techniques and Yoga cured it and I haven't had to use any sort of puffer for over 3 years.

By and large the medical industrial complex wants you to be sick so they can come in after the fact and medicate you, preferably for the rest of your life eg. cholesterol and blood pressure medication, they are not interested in jumping in early to stop the sickness before it gets hold. Where they are fantastic though is trauma/emergency situations like car accidents, stabbings, poisonings, burns, fractures etc.

FWIW I don't buy the narrative that vaccine companies are systematically attempting to depopulate the planet, they want sick people not dead ones.

Are you familiar with 'autophagy'?

If not, check it out, reckon you'd love it.

 

[M Malice]

Are you familiar with 'autophagy'?

If not, check it out, reckon you'd love it.

Yes I am, has been spoken about on the Health, Fitness, Training and Nutrition board.

I have been a devotee of Intermittent Fasting and prolonged fasting for a number of years, there is so much out there that you can do for your health that doesn't cost you a cent(with peer reviewed research behind it), big Pharma can't make $$$ of it though, another one I like is environmental conditioning... I haven't had a warm shower for a while, always cold, it is fantastic for you, meditation is great as well.

I'll leave it there as it is for another thread on another board.

 

[No SPIN]

No SPIN Can't really fault your logic in this thread. Hard to get actual reasonable discussion on this website(or anything, anywhere) with differing views being expressed without people resorting to histrionics. You seem pretty reasonable to me

Some questions ~

Accounting for the IFRs, the CFRs, the age demographics etc(especially with respect to previous viruses) do you think the responses around the globe have been warranted/proportionate to the virus?

Do you think the virus in humans was via zoonosis? If not then how? Are you ok with the responses and how everything is unfolding? Where/how do you think the virus originated/began?

If you think they are over the top, what would your reasons be?

Monumental incompetence?
By design?
Fear? Hysteria? Leading to overreaction?
Ulterior motive?

my theory is simple.
We correctly prepared for the worst ( eg in Vic spent $1.3 bill on 4,000 ICU beds).
Thankfully the pandemic by Sept was nowhere near as bad as first thought,but we were still in lockdown.
At that time there was adequate data available that confirmed death rates were not anywhere near 7% that occurred in Italy or close to the modeling from the UK group, that initially that spooked the globe.
So with this abundance of data, the politicians should have wrested power from their Medical advisors - “thanks guys it turned much better than we hoped and clearly this virus is no where near as deadly as first expected - now give us a plan to protect high risk people. And BTW we are lifting lockdowns.”

That’s how it should have worked, particular as deaths in winter are common from Flu - in 2019, for example 1255 people died from FLU, and thats WITH a Vaccine.

So where we are today? We have politicians lacking the fortitude to challenge their Medical advisors with that data clearly confirms the risks are not commensurate with need for knee jerk lockdowns, particularly as we’ve had not deaths from the UK strain IIRC.

Further, we we are now in a vicious cycle - the popularity of politicians is soaring and so they are reluctant to pull back strongly, incase another wave hits and their poll numbers plummet with accusations of premature easing.

so it’s a viscous cycle of incompetence.

I’m not fussed about the Origins of the virus - but I will say if it had started in Frankston, without a Bat, Wet market or Virus lab in sight I doubt the International media would have been interested or have blown it up.
Bat Viruses from Chinese wet markets are irresistible to Western Media keen to expose China in every way possible.

Ulterior motives - you need a ONE “they” as being behind this. But with so many conflicting interests between Big PHarma, Big Oil, Big Finance, ONE “they”doesn’t exist and so no Conspiracy Theory has any credibility.

The old saying “ Given the choice between Conspiracy and a stuff up - always choose a stuff up”, is perfect for what has unfolded in the last 12 months.

 

[No SPIN]

That is a fantastic short video, I'd never seen it before. Concisely explains what big Pharma's primary goal is ie. $$$$, anyone who thinks their primary goal is good health is deluded IMO, I don't trust them or politicians.

Very short version of a story I have posted in detail elsewhere- I was on Statins and blood pressure medication for over a decade, I did my own research and decided to gradually take myself off them without telling my GP/specialists(I get regular blood tests). After over a year off them my blood test results and cholesterol readings were fine(and continue to be a couple of years later), I also had a 24 hour blood pressure monitor attached to me via a request from me.. all fine. My GP and specialists were dumbstruck when I told them I had been off them for so long.

Also went off(gradually) 20+ years of daily Ventolin and Qvar inhalers for asthma, this one was more down to me taking ownership of my own health and more research though, IMO breathing techniques and Yoga cured it and I haven't had to use any sort of puffer for over 3 years.

By and large the medical industrial complex wants you to be sick so they can come in after the fact and medicate you, preferably for the rest of your life eg. cholesterol and blood pressure medication, they are not interested in jumping in early to stop the sickness before it gets hold. Where they are fantastic though is trauma/emergency situations like car accidents, stabbings, poisonings, burns, fractures etc.

FWIW I don't buy the narrative that vaccine companies are systematically attempting to depopulate the planet, they want sick people not dead ones.

well done - millions of people can learn from you.

can I simply ask - isn’t there a much simpler explanation.
Had you been able to make the lifestyle changes earlier you would never had needed statins or anything else.
So is Big Pharma to blame?

With all due respect, Big Pharma has little to answer for here.
And don’t you also find it ironic that Big Pharma is so easily made irrelevant, when people take control for their own health?

 

[Bender20]

That is a fantastic short video, I'd never seen it before. Concisely explains what big Pharma's primary goal is ie. $$$$, anyone who thinks their primary goal is good health is deluded IMO, I don't trust them or politicians.

Very short version of a story I have posted in detail elsewhere- I was on Statins and blood pressure medication for over a decade, I did my own research and decided to gradually take myself off them without telling my GP/specialists(I get regular blood tests). After over a year off them my blood test results and cholesterol readings were fine(and continue to be a couple of years later), I also had a 24 hour blood pressure monitor attached to me via a request from me.. all fine. My GP and specialists were dumbstruck when I told them I had been off them for so long.

Also went off(gradually) 20+ years of daily Ventolin and Qvar inhalers for asthma, this one was more down to me taking ownership of my own health and more research though, IMO breathing techniques and Yoga cured it and I haven't had to use any sort of puffer for over 3 years.

By and large the medical industrial complex wants you to be sick so they can come in after the fact and medicate you, preferably for the rest of your life eg. cholesterol and blood pressure medication, they are not interested in jumping in early to stop the sickness before it gets hold. Where they are fantastic though is trauma/emergency situations like car accidents, stabbings, poisonings, burns, fractures etc.

FWIW I don't buy the narrative that vaccine companies are systematically attempting to depopulate the planet, they want sick people not dead ones.

Good job, these are the stories I enjoy

I'm fairly quiet and don't normally divulge much but thought that people here might find interest or maybe not, the thoughts of a non vaxxer, which took a lot for me to do.

I'm very much Buddhist but you would never tell, I don't criticise others but listen to others, and am very thankful to Chief for allowing us to use this platform to discuss this topic, even though it might not be in line with his beliefs.

It is a good video, this is when news services reported the truth, didn't sidestep a touchy subject.
I spend about 3 hours a day sifting through sites. The Israeli information i posted a while back was for various places including the IDF (Israeli defence force) sites.

 

[M Malice]

well done - millions of people can learn from you.

can I simply ask - isn’t there a much simpler explanation.
Had you been able to make the lifestyle changes earlier you would never had needed statins or anything else.
So is Big Pharma to blame?

With all due respect, Big Pharma has little to answer for here.
And don’t you also find it ironic that Big Pharma is so easily made irrelevant, when people take control for their own health?

I have never been overweight and considered myself healthy, if I had to guess I think my GP just put me on statins/BP meds because that is what you do, is lazy doctoring and I didn't have the gumption to challenge him at the time, I forgot to mention I also stopped taking the Flu vaccine around the same time, haven't had so much as a sniffle since or before for years for that matter. Do you think I should be pressured via punitive measures eg. no travel/can't attend large gatherings(AFL games ) into getting the Covid vaccine? I am 61 years old.

Yep big Pharma making no money off of me.

Are you in the medical field No SPIN? Your posts over this thread seem very well versed... not offended if you'd rather not reveal either way.

 

[M Malice]

Good job, these are the stories I enjoy

I'm fairly quiet and don't normally divulge much but thought that people here might find interest or maybe not, the thoughts of a non vaxxer, which took a lot for me to do.

I'm very much Buddhist but you would never tell, I don't criticise others but listen to others, and am very thankful to Chief for allowing us to use this platform to discuss this topic, even though it might not be in line with his beliefs.

It is a good video, this is when news services reported the truth, didn't sidestep a touchy subject.
I spend about 3 hours a day sifting through sites. The Israeli information i posted a while back was for various places including the IDF (Israeli defence force) sites.

Love the principles of Buddhism, the Noble truths. I am an atheist when it comes to institutionalised religion but am open to other realms of existence, check my signature for my fundamental opinion on life. I should give it a rest, getting a bit deep and meaningful.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I have never been overweight and considered myself healthy, if I had to guess I think my GP just put me on statins/BP meds because that is what you do, is lazy doctoring and I didn't have the gumption to challenge him at the time, I forgot to mention I also stopped taking the Flu vaccine around the same time, haven't had so much as a sniffle since or before for years for that matter. Do you think I should be pressured via punitive measures eg. no travel/can't attend large gatherings(AFL games ) into getting the Covid vaccine? I am 61 years old.

Yep big Pharma making no money off of me.

Are you in the medical field No SPIN? Your posts over this thread seem very well versed... not offended if you'd rather not reveal either way.

Arent Christian wedding cake makers allowed to discriminate against Gay couples, its not like being gay is life threatening or a threat to the economy,yet ronna is

If you want a choice to decide to get vaxed or not thats your decision, if someone doesnt want to serve you if you dont thats theirs.

Isnt that the libertarian stance being fought over here ...

 

[M Malice]

Arent Christian wedding cake makers allowed to discriminate against Gay couples, its not like being gay is life threatening or a threat to the economy,yet ronna is

If you want a choice to decide to get vaxed or not thats your decision, if someone doesnt want to serve you if you dont thats theirs.

Isnt that the libertarian stance being fought over here ...

If given a true choice I'd prefer not to get the vaccine, if it is defacto compulsory and I am banned from travelling(I love trekking holidays) and watching AFL live I will get the vaccine under sufferance.

I wont be happy if it kills me though.

 

[Bender20]

Arent Christian wedding cake makers allowed to discriminate against Gay couples, its not like being gay is life threatening or a threat to the economy,yet ronna is

If you want a choice to decide to get vaxed or not thats your decision, if someone doesnt want to serve you if you dont thats theirs.

Isnt that the libertarian stance being fought over here ...

I hope you asked permission before using that post, the poster who said it originally deserves it.

 

[Hawk Dork]

If given a true choice I'd prefer not to get the vaccine, if it is defacto compulsory and I am banned from travelling(I love trekking holidays) and watching AFL live I will get the vaccine under sufferance.

I wont be happy if it kills me though.

I want to travel by the end of next year so I want the whole world to get vaxed

 

[Bender20]

If given a true choice I'd prefer not to get the vaccine, if it is defacto compulsory and I am banned from travelling(I love trekking holidays) and watching AFL live I will get the vaccine under sufferance.

I wont be happy if it kills me though.

But do you like cake .

 

[Hawk Dork]

I hope you asked permission before using that post, the poster who said it originally deserves it.

Ive never seen it posted but Im sure someone else has ???

 

[Bender20]

I'm not sure if its been discussed or posted but this is in reply to the Italian 7% mortality rate just for interest sake.
I posted it elsewhere so just copied and paste............I was under fire at this stage.

I was quoting Professor Walter Ricciadi
Scientific Advisor to the Italian Minister of Health.

On revaluation by the national Institute of Health, only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from Corona virus, while 88% who have died had one pre morbidity some even two or three.

That's an overestimation, and lets be clear, estimation of 88% recorded death rate in Italy from Coronavirus.

If the US and UK are not testing for positives, then its not possible to know the correct number. There hasn't been any post mortems done in the last 12 months.

The CDC ?
You do understand the CDC are sponsored by the Pharmaceutical companies who stand to make the most money from this Virus. This information is available and I personally think damning.

 

[Bender20]

Ive never seen it posted but Im sure someone else has ???

No worries, just love the old cake shop stor.

 

[Hawk Dork]

I'm not sure if its been discussed or posted but this is in reply to the Italian 7% mortality rate just for interest sake.
I posted it elsewhere so just copied and paste............I was under fire at this stage.

I was quoting Professor Walter Ricciadi
Scientific Advisor to the Italian Minister of Health.

On revaluation by the national Institute of Health, only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from Corona virus, while 88% who have died had one pre morbidity some even two or three.

That's an overestimation, and lets be clear, estimation of 88% recorded death rate in Italy from Coronavirus.

If the US and UK are not testing for positives, then its not possible to know the correct number. There hasn't been any post mortems done in the last 12 months.

The CDC ?
You do understand the CDC are sponsored by the Pharmaceutical companies who stand to make the most money from this Virus. This information is available and I personally think damning.

In 2019, Italy was the European country with the largest percentage of elderly population. That year, 22.8 percent of the total population was aged 65

Italy: share of elderly population 2009-2025| Statista

In 2025, 24.7 percent of the total population in Italy is estimated to be 65 years and older.

www.statista.com

That might skew the stats a bit ???

 

[Bender20]

In 2019, Italy was the European country with the largest percentage of elderly population. That year, 22.8 percent of the total population was aged 65

Italy: share of elderly population 2009-2025| Statista

In 2025, 24.7 percent of the total population in Italy is estimated to be 65 years and older.

www.statista.com

That might skew the stats a bit ???

From what I've heard and read, if you have a mild flu year excess death can then increase in numbers the subsequent year.

 

[Hawk Dork]

From what I've heard and read, if you have a mild flu year excess death can then increase in numbers the subsequent year.

So are you saying these deaths are last years flu deaths ?

 

[No SPIN]

I have never been overweight and considered myself healthy, if I had to guess I think my GP just put me on statins/BP meds because that is what you do, is lazy doctoring and I didn't have the gumption to challenge him at the time, I forgot to mention I also stopped taking the Flu vaccine around the same time, haven't had so much as a sniffle since or before for years for that matter. Do you think I should be pressured via punitive measures eg. no travel/can't attend large gatherings(AFL games ) into getting the Covid vaccine? I am 61 years old.

Yep big Pharma making no money off of me.

Are you in the medical field No SPIN? Your posts over this thread seem very well versed... not offended if you'd rather not reveal either way.
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I have never been overweight and considered myself healthy, if I had to guess I think my GP just put me on statins/BP meds because that is what you do, is lazy doctoring and I didn't have the gumption to challenge him at the time, I forgot to mention I also stopped taking the Flu vaccine around the same time, haven't had so much as a sniffle since or before for years for that matter. Do you think I should be pressured via punitive measures eg. no travel/can't attend large gatherings(AFL games ) into getting the Covid vaccine? I am 61 years old.

Yep big Pharma making no money off of me.

Are you in the medical field No SPIN? Your posts over this thread seem very well versed... not offended if you'd rather not reveal either way.

Biomedical and Biotech

 

[No SPIN]

So are you saying these deaths are last years flu deaths ?

yes - it’s well established, and applies to the most vulnerable during flu season. A mild year, mild disease less deaths amongst this group, and then if the following year is a severe Flu, then the converse it true.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Maryanne Demasi loves Jason mp's post.

 

[Bender20]

So are you saying these deaths are last years flu deaths ?

What ive heard is when there has been mild years the people who would have possibly died of an infection, chug along for a bit longer, I think they associate it with age and general health.