Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Hawk Dork]

For those who dont get vaxed we have the drugs that Trump got


Study bolsters case that antibody drugs can prevent COVID-19
A monoclonal antibody cocktail developed by the drug-maker Regeneron offered strong protection against COVID-19 when given to people living with someone infected with the coronavirus, according to clinical trial results announced on Monday.

The drug, if authorised, could offer another line of defence against the disease for people who are not protected by vaccination.

The findings are the latest evidence that such lab-made drugs not only prevent the worst outcomes of the disease when given early enough, but also help prevent people from getting sick in the first place.

Still, antibody drugs such as Regeneron’s could give doctors a new way to protect high-risk people who have not yet been inoculated, or who may not respond well to vaccination, such as those taking drugs that weaken their immune system.
That could be an important tool as rising coronavirus cases and dangerous virus variants threaten to outpace vaccinations.

“Not everyone’s going to take a vaccine, no matter what we do, and not everyone’s going to respond to a vaccine,” Dr Cohen said.

Regeneron’s cocktail, a combination of two drugs designed to mimic the antibodies generated naturally when the immune system fends off the virus, got a publicity boost last year when it was given to then president Donald Trump when he got sick with COVID-19.

Study bolsters case that antibody drugs can prevent COVID-19

Using the cumbersome drugs on a large scale won’t be necessary, as vaccines are sufficient for the vast majority of people and are increasingly available.

www.afr.com

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

For those who dont get vaxed we have the drugs that Trump got


Study bolsters case that antibody drugs can prevent COVID-19
A monoclonal antibody cocktail developed by the drug-maker Regeneron offered strong protection against COVID-19 when given to people living with someone infected with the coronavirus, according to clinical trial results announced on Monday.

The drug, if authorised, could offer another line of defence against the disease for people who are not protected by vaccination.

The findings are the latest evidence that such lab-made drugs not only prevent the worst outcomes of the disease when given early enough, but also help prevent people from getting sick in the first place.

Still, antibody drugs such as Regeneron’s could give doctors a new way to protect high-risk people who have not yet been inoculated, or who may not respond well to vaccination, such as those taking drugs that weaken their immune system.
That could be an important tool as rising coronavirus cases and dangerous virus variants threaten to outpace vaccinations.

“Not everyone’s going to take a vaccine, no matter what we do, and not everyone’s going to respond to a vaccine,” Dr Cohen said.

Regeneron’s cocktail, a combination of two drugs designed to mimic the antibodies generated naturally when the immune system fends off the virus, got a publicity boost last year when it was given to then president Donald Trump when he got sick with COVID-19.

Study bolsters case that antibody drugs can prevent COVID-19

Using the cumbersome drugs on a large scale won’t be necessary, as vaccines are sufficient for the vast majority of people and are increasingly available.

www.afr.com

And this is the right path to take. Not many here would disagree with the concept that a treatment is the key and a vaccine is just money spinning horse shit that isnt going to lead us to any path other then making Bill Gates and co's wallets bigger.

Alot of efficacy reports being done in Israel and South Africa are grim reading for the vaccine lovers.

Covid variant from South Africa was able to ‘break through’ Pfizer vaccine in Israeli study

The coronavirus variant first discovered in South Africa is able to evade some of the protection of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to an Israeli study.

www.cnbc.com

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine may be less effective against UK, South African variants, Israeli study finds

A study out of Israel found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine may be less effective against the South African and United Kingdom variants than the original strain.

www.fox10phoenix.com

Looking like its fairly redundant against new strains because of the sheer lack of work put into it. If they only spent as much time as they have done in negotiation and production as they did in actually making a drug that works, we wouldnt be back at square one

 

[Hawk Dork]

And this is the right path to take. Not many here would disagree with the concept that a treatment is the key and a vaccine is just money spinning horse sh*t that isnt going to lead us to any path other then making Bill Gates and co's wallets bigger.

Alot of efficacy reports being done in Israel and South Africa are grim reading for the vaccine lovers.

Covid variant from South Africa was able to ‘break through’ Pfizer vaccine in Israeli study

The coronavirus variant first discovered in South Africa is able to evade some of the protection of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to an Israeli study.

www.cnbc.com

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine may be less effective against UK, South African variants, Israeli study finds

A study out of Israel found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine may be less effective against the South African and United Kingdom variants than the original strain.

www.fox10phoenix.com

Looking like its fairly redundant against new strains because of the sheer lack of work put into it. If they only spent as much time as they have done in negotiation and production as they did in actually making a drug that works, we wouldnt be back at square one

They say its a lot harder to administer than a vax

It will be used for the immunosuppressed

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

They say its a lot harder to administer than a vax

It will be used for the immunosuppressed

Exactly. When the vaccine suppresses the treatment option, what does that tell you about the vaccination plan exactly? The vaccine is the treatment essentially. The reason for this is simple.

When the vaccine is the treatment plan, your customer base is everyone in the world. When your treatment plan is a antibody dose, your customer base is people who can get to a hospital, have the virus itself and then take the dosage. When the virus itself is also less viralant and rather asymptomatic against a large portion of the population your customer base shrinks even more

NO SPIN can live in fantasyland where Big Pharma are humanitarian gods who always do the right thing but the reality is they as evil as any person who well preys on death and misery. The vaccine suppressing the treatment isnt some mistake, its intentional in order to suppress the option in order to increase the market they can sell there product too. Itd be nice and fluffy if it wasnt true but it is so we just have to learn to live with it. Doesnt mean I need to accept it though

 

[BlueE]

For those who dont get vaxed we have the drugs that Trump got


Study bolsters case that antibody drugs can prevent COVID-19
A monoclonal antibody cocktail developed by the drug-maker Regeneron offered strong protection against COVID-19 when given to people living with someone infected with the coronavirus, according to clinical trial results announced on Monday.

The drug, if authorised, could offer another line of defence against the disease for people who are not protected by vaccination.

The findings are the latest evidence that such lab-made drugs not only prevent the worst outcomes of the disease when given early enough, but also help prevent people from getting sick in the first place.

Still, antibody drugs such as Regeneron’s could give doctors a new way to protect high-risk people who have not yet been inoculated, or who may not respond well to vaccination, such as those taking drugs that weaken their immune system.
That could be an important tool as rising coronavirus cases and dangerous virus variants threaten to outpace vaccinations.

“Not everyone’s going to take a vaccine, no matter what we do, and not everyone’s going to respond to a vaccine,” Dr Cohen said.

Regeneron’s cocktail, a combination of two drugs designed to mimic the antibodies generated naturally when the immune system fends off the virus, got a publicity boost last year when it was given to then president Donald Trump when he got sick with COVID-19.

Study bolsters case that antibody drugs can prevent COVID-19

Using the cumbersome drugs on a large scale won’t be necessary, as vaccines are sufficient for the vast majority of people and are increasingly available.

www.afr.com

But there are at least 30 peer reviewed studies on thousands of patients that show IVM plus Zn has better results and is safer.

Zn is also beneficial for sperm production and protection.

 

[BlueE]

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

But there are at least 30 peer reviewed studies on thousands of patients that show IVM plus Zn has better results and is safer.

Zn is also beneficial for sperm production and protection.

India continuing with death totals of a current rolling average of 700 in there worst outbreak in a 1 bllion population with weaker medical infrastructure then large parts of the western world is a pure accident im told.

 

[BlueE]

I have asked you for proof of a mechanism- you have provided conjecture based on research showing NON permanent effects using the Whole virus.
You know the whole virus is not in the mRNA Vaccine and the effects are not permanent.
And Dr Doug said it wasn’t proof - so why are you suggesting I’m trolling.
You are supplying what you think is proof and I’m refuting it.

That you can’t offer the evidence is not my problem sport.

Quote from link below.

“A University of Miami researcher says what young men really should be weighing is the chance of sterility caused by the coronavirus, rather than worrying about any potential risk with the vaccine — because there is virtually none”

If you want to be a father, should you get a COVID vaccine? UM researcher may have the answer

A Miami researcher has found the COVID virus decreases male sperm count, so having the virus could affect the ability to have kids. Now the researcher is studying whether the vaccine could affect sperm count.

www.sun-sentinel.com

So no link with infertility as you are suggesting.

You asked for the mechanism that a mRNA vaccine could change DNA and there is research in pre print that shows "plausible molecular pathways how mRNA vaccines permanently altering your genomic DNA could occur". Proof in the form of comprehensive animal or human studies on any COVID 19 injections have not been completed or reported on.

But you know better, as you claim to have full proof it doesn't.

Permanent changes in fertility are only a small but important component of possible ways DNA could be changed, and adenovector simian DNA injections like AZ or J and J are mentioned by the same researchers, as very possibly or probably being able to do so.

Their original research questioned whether the affect of COVID 19 on sperm production and testosterone was because of the spike proteins and whether this could be in the mRNA injection being given. Because the research hasn't been completed, it's unknown whether or how the mRNA injections are affecting testosterone or human sperm production temporarily, permanently or at all.

As I posted when first talking about this research months ago, with the known positive effect of Zn on sperm, I hope they've included Zn in one of their research groups.

 

[Lethal Knights]

 

[ioppolo]

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Surely that's not legal?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You asked for the mechanism that a mRNA vaccine could change DNA and there is research in pre print that shows "plausible molecular pathways how mRNA vaccines permanently altering your genomic DNA could occur". Proof in the form of comprehensive animal or human studies on any COVID 19 injections have not been completed or reported on.

But you know better, as you claim to have full proof it doesn't.

Permanent changes in fertility are only a small but important component of possible ways DNA could be changed, and adenovector simian DNA injections like AZ or J and J are mentioned by the same researchers, as very possibly or probably being able to do so.

Their original research questioned whether the affect of COVID 19 on sperm production and testosterone was because of the spike proteins and whether this could be in the mRNA injection being given. Because the research hasn't been completed, it's unknown whether or how the mRNA injections are affecting testosterone or human sperm production temporarily, permanently or at all.

As I posted when first talking about this research months ago, with the known positive effect of Zn on sperm, I hope they've included Zn in one of their research groups.

In all honesty we are kind of arguing whether the car whose engine cannot start can drive either 100km or 120km a hour as its maximum speed.

Focusing on the wrong thing here is all. Even if it changes DNA or not, its complete and utter failure as a option means the rest of the talk is somewhat irrelevant.

We shouldnt not have it because it changes DNA or not, we should not have it because its a blue M&M that isnt going to work long term

 

[burge13]

India continuing with death totals of a current rolling average of 700 in there worst outbreak in a 1 bllion population with weaker medical infrastructure then large parts of the western world is a pure accident im told.

"Not reporting it properly" will be the sheeps claims...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

"Not reporting it properly" will be the sheeps claims...

Oh for sure.

 

[MrKK]

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Future "get woke, go broke" story right here.

 

[No SPIN]

You asked for the mechanism that a mRNA vaccine could change DNA and there is research in pre print that shows "plausible molecular pathways how mRNA vaccines permanently altering your genomic DNA could occur". Proof in the form of comprehensive animal or human studies on any COVID 19 injections have not been completed or reported on.

But you know better, as you claim to have full proof it doesn't.

Permanent changes in fertility are only a small but important component of possible ways DNA could be changed, and adenovector simian DNA injections like AZ or J and J are mentioned by the same researchers, as very possibly or probably being able to do so.

Their original research questioned whether the affect of COVID 19 on sperm production and testosterone was because of the spike proteins and whether this could be in the mRNA injection being given. Because the research hasn't been completed, it's unknown whether or how the mRNA injections are affecting testosterone or human sperm production temporarily, permanently or at all.

As I posted when first talking about this research months ago, with the known positive effect of Zn on sperm, I hope they've included Zn in one of their research groups.

I keep asking you for this plausible research - but you can’t find it. Now you say pre-print - ok then, LOL.

You make up BS. Your own link re Adenovirus says no permanent change is possible- yet you insist it is. So you are being obstinate to a fault.

And if you read the research you would know the fertility issue is about sperm motility not about DNA changes - so again you fabricate BS.

I thought I’d have a sensible debate - but I got fabrication, misunderstood research, obfuscation.
I’ve exposed you as completely misinformed and impressionable, relying on Social media for facts that proved to be lies.

Then I noticed you’re a Trump Conspiracy Theorist which explained everything.

Enjoy QANON - my works done here.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I keep asking you for this plausible research - but you can’t find it. Now you say pre-print - ok then, LOL.

You make up BS. Your own link re Adenovirus says no permanent change is possible- yet you insist it is. So you are being obstinate to a fault.

And if you read the research you would know the fertility issue is about sperm motility not about DNA changes - so again you fabricate BS.

I thought I’d have a sensible debate - but I got fabrication, misunderstood research, obfuscation.
I’ve exposed you as completely misinformed and impressionable, relying on Social media for facts that proved to be lies.

Then I noticed you’re a Trump Conspiracy Theorist which explained everything.

Enjoy QANON - my works done here.

If your work was to ignore evidence and carry on like a baby, your work was done 15 pages ago. You are just working overtime now

Hawk Dork is welcome here. He atleast stands by his principles. Your flip flopping and evidence ignoring isnt. Please leave and dont come back

 

[yebiga]

Rubbish - no plausible mechanism.
The research showed no permanent DNA changed, and used the WHOLE Virus - the Vaccine doesn’t use the WHOLE virus . As per Dr. Ramasamys quote you supplied.
I understand the research completely- you chose not to because it doesn’t suit your narrative.
End of Story.

And no evidence of Male Infertility per the link and quotes I provided - just BS on social media.

Again from the link I supplied

“From a biological point of view, there is no possibility that the vaccine can lead to any infertility. Yet, there is a ton of social media panic,” he said. “That’s why they are doing the research in Miami, to address it.”


“I don’t believe the receptors on the virus that bind to the testes will be generated by the vaccine regardless of whether it’s Johnson & Johnson or Pfizer or Moderna,” he said. “We strongly believe men should take whichever vaccine is offered to them.”

End of story.

You need new angles now mate.
My works done - your assertions have been eviscerated as any thinking person can see.

You are an alarmist, misguided, and completely disconnected from the facts.
Just Goeaglesgosgio.

You've become hysterical - nobody, least of all you, knows what the hell you are posting. The vaccine's are by any definition experimental.
We are the lab rats. The normal years of testing have been fast tracked, obviously the medium, long term impacts are completely unknown. Even Big Pharma will sheepishly concede this as they deflect. But you know better.

Try starting your own Conspiracy Thread - something titled "Synthetic Vaccines Cure All" or "How to gag and still Swallow every last drop"

 

[No SPIN]

If your work was to ignore evidence and carry on like a baby, your work was done 15 pages ago. You are just working overtime now

Hawk Dork is welcome here. He atleast stands by his principles. Your flip flopping and evidence ignoring isnt. Please leave and dont come back

spoken like a battered, bruised and completely discredited Conspiracy Theorist.
You and your mate have offered no credible evidence to support your theories- so that’s why I ignored it, or more precisely used it against you.

Your theory that China is behind this whole COVID pandemic so it could become the fastest growing economy on the World was laughable- given they’d been doing that for 20 years.
So you have no credibility, given you were unaware of such a well known fact.

Obviously QANON doesn’t have a “China Facts” page.

Frankly I take your insistence that I’m not welcome here as a badge of honour - but will not heed it, because you guys need to be made accountable for BS you post.

BTW - feel free to post the issues I’ve flipped on - I expect crickets.

 

[No SPIN]

You've become hysterical - nobody, least of all you, knows what the hell you are posting. The vaccine's are by any definition experimental.
We are the lab rats. The normal years of testing has been fast tracked, obviously the medium, long term impacts are completely unknown. Even Big Pharma will sheepishly concede this as they deflect. But you know better.

Try starting your own Conspiracy Thread - something titled "Synthetic Vaccines Cure All" or "Take it all and Swallow every last drop"

Finally after LOLs on so many of my posts you get the courage to speak.
You’re right I’m hysterical - at the absurd and unsubstantiated rubbish that’s posted here.
And now your insightful contribution is that I know nothing - how lame.

I’m doing you and others a favour who blindly follow these Conspiracists, by exposing their uninformed and baseless contentions.
If you have new evidence to support them, then feel free to do so - but I’m pretty confident it to will not stand up to scrutiny.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

spoken like a battered, bruised and completely discredited Conspiracy Theorist.
You and your mate have offered no credible evidence to support your theories- so that’s why I ignored it, or more precisely used it against you.

Your theory that China is behind this whole COVID pandemic so it could become the fastest growing economy on the World was laughable- given they’d been doing that for 20 years.
So you have no credibility, given you were unaware of such a well known fact.

Obviously QANON doesn’t have a “China Facts” page.

Frankly I take your insistence that I’m not welcome here as a badge of honour - but will not heed it, because you guys need to be made accountable for BS you post.

BTW - feel free to post the issues I’ve flipped on - I expect crickets.

This is beyond delusion and you are heading towards the 5G conspiracy guru level. Can the mods ban this whack job from this thread please?

 

[Bender20]

But there are at least 30 peer reviewed studies on thousands of patients that show IVM plus Zn has better results and is safer.

Zn is also beneficial for sperm production and protection.

Yes, started taking zinc on Friday, I was feeling glandular, runny nose, sore throat. As of yesterday just a touch off but performing fine, today all good.

My partner is staying over tonight and she doesn't leave me alone, so win win.

 

[MarcMaverick]

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Leigha Selvoski

5 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Invasive about health of members. Required covid vaccine when it is irrelevant for me to have It to be a member. The vaccine only lessens the symptoms not stops the spread. This gym supports communism. It is not FDA approved and an experimental drug. They clearly don’t care about my health or anyone else’s. Don’t support this communist facility.

68

Chad Burry

2 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism, Quality
St. Luke's Fitness Center violates the rights of its members by accessing their personal medical information without their consent to obtain vaccine status. …More

63

Dave Hill

2 reviews
2 weeks agoNEW
It was a nice place for a while. Plenty of towels, equipment in good repair, clean. Now though, run don't walk. While its still all of the above, they are VERY invasive about your medical history, and tonight they asked me if I had or plan to get the covid vaccine, and conveniently they can arrange for you to get one at a $t.Luke$ facility. They also told me if you don't get the vaccine they will cancel your membership on the 9th of April. I go to a gym to blow off steam not to be forced to undertake a medical procedure that is suppose to be my choice. Granted its their choice about the membership, but I expect that sort of behavior from a used car lot not a gym. Basically you can't join or go unless you get your covid shot.....sounds like discrimination to me.

65

Nicole Johnson

4 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Wow just received notice that they force you to have the covid shot to use the facility. wow huge violation of my HIPPA rights wonder if they’ll request access to my colonoscopies too.
I feel like an animal at the zoo.

63

Renee Laughlin

1 review
4 days agoNEW
I cannot believe that they are discriminating against people that choose to not get vaccinated!! Would never want to support this business! There are plenty of other gyms that I would rather support!

45

Roberta Klein-Siegelson

3 reviews
2 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
A mandatory EXPERIMENTAL vaccine? Nope. My medical decisions are private, made along with my doctor. Bunch of sell outs.

22

Mr Ballistic

Local Guide · 85 reviews · 10 photos
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism, Quality
Used to love this gym and was very peaceful until they started forcing people to get injected with a gene altering jab in order to have a membership. What is next? REAR END tests before i workout?

43

Mindy Lou

2 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Going against hippa laws starting April 12th. You can not legally require anyone to show you or prove to you they have been vaccinated. You don’t supersede the laws on privacy on this. You have now opened yourself up to a class action law …More

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M Anderson

1 review
a day agoNEW
They offer a great deal for veterans, but they're discriminating against people who are unwilling and unable to take an invasive medication that is only approved for EMERGENCY use and won't complete clinical trials until 2023.

10

Bloom Well

2 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Communication, Professionalism, Quality
This fitness center is the worst that I've been to. I expected so much more. I'm reporting it to the Better Business Bureau.

35


Charlie Pabst

3 reviews
14 hours agoNEW
Critical: Communication, Professionalism, Quality
I’ve never been to this place but I’ve seen their new requirement sign. Demanding members get an experimental, FDA unapproved vaccine to enter is a frightening, idiotic, and quite un-American concept.

4

Dipper Whittlestein

3 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Requiring an experimental shot that is NOT FDA approved, is an egregious violation of one’s rights! They probably, since they’re affiliated with a hospital want to make sure there are an abundance of patients to support themselves with.

38

Evan McDermod

2 reviews
2 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Requiring a COVID vaccination goes against federal law. Do not support a business like this that does not respect medical choice.

15

Rachel Gerringer

22 reviews · 9 photos
2 days agoNEW
Requiring Covid shot to use center. This violates religious and medical freedom.

15

Jessica Poland

2 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Yikes. I would stay away from this gym. They clearly don't care about health if they are REQUIRING members to get the covid-19 vaccine.

42

James Grewar

1 review
a day agoNEW
You cannot use the gym if you're not vaccinated. Stop this madness.

15

Maria Wynn

13 reviews
2 days agoNEW
Critical: Communication, Professionalism, Quality
I will be filing a DISCRIMINATION lawsuit against this facility. They are now requiring their gym members to be vaccinated against covid-19!!!! You will be hearing from my lawyer!!!

19

Sha Robes

Local Guide · 35 reviews · 22 photos
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Require an experimental drug to use the fitness center? So long HIPPA.

35

74 74

Local Guide · 31 reviews
4 days agoNEW
Critical: Communication, Professionalism, Quality
Seriously I have to be Covid 19 vaccinated to use this gym , unbelievable

34

Michigander Michiganian

Local Guide · 12 reviews · 7 photos
4 days agoNEW
Requiring proof of Covid vaccine in order to use their facility, which is a violation of privacy laws

40


Stephen Jay

2 reviews
2 days agoNEW
Very poor facility asking for people's medical details..Breaking the right to privacy laws...

13

Stan

30 reviews
3 days agoNEW
Politics over fitness? Say goodbye to your customers.

31

RD

10 reviews
2 days agoNEW
Critical: Communication, Professionalism
Canceling my membership since you MUST be vaccinated to enter

16

Adam Ibrahim

Local Guide · 176 reviews · 88 photos
2 days agoNEW
Critical: Communication, Professionalism, Quality
Lady at the front desk is extremely rude!

16

Rafal Mac

8 reviews · 4 photos
2 days agoNEW
For mandatory vaccination ... Scam

15

Alex Adams

7 reviews · 5 photos
2 days agoNEW
Critical: Professionalism
Requiring a vaccination is discrimination.

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Here are some of the latest reviews slamming this thoughtless and brain-dead decision of said "gym". What's the saying: "get woke go broke"?

Found them on Google FWIW, all of them giving it 1/5 stars, wishing there was a zero option.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

I have no doubts this will be happening world wide.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Im sure typhoid Mary would have complained too

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Here are some of the latest reviews slamming this thoughtless and brain-dead decision of said "gym". What's the saying: "get woke go broke"?

Found them on Google FWIW, all of them giving it 1/5 stars, wishing there was a zero option.

Where is this gym, in the US somewhere?