Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[No SPIN]

In reality its only a small part of the picture. They still need to explain how every country whose taken the AZ vaccine all of a sudden have quadruple vairants with deaths and infections only getting worse. If it effects you differently its a who cares, if it doesnt work and in Indias case only makes the problem many times worse then the affect is the opposite. As opposed to taking a vaccine all you have taken is a virus mutator and made the problem worse then it was before you had it

Its weird they have somehow convinced people they need more of the vaccine to fix the problem. Its a bit like going to Alcohol Anonymous and the cure for alcholism is to drink more and more beer so you pass out and cant have it anymore. A nonsensical idea really. India should smarten up, realise the vaccine caused the issues they have today as opposed to the disease itself, stop and reset the strategy

The evidence is in. Taking Bill Gates virus mutating death needle is clearly helping no one

Peddling rubbish again I see.
The India graph posted on Sat. showed the increase in cases coincide with Winter flu season - exactly as expected.
Similar the Portugal graph on Saturday, but also showing cases dropped when Winter ended, even though the Jabs continued. How could your theory be correct if the Jabs continued but cases dropped?

Clearly its Winter not the Jab.

So, no, the Jab didn’t cause the increase in cases it was Winter.

You guys look so foolish with these absurd Theories, you are a Comedy act.

 

[bok_party]

Its just creating mutant strains. Literally every country who has partaken in the AZ vaccine with a large scale rollout has had this issue. We cant ignore it because its uncomfortable or "unproven" even.

If you ask a murderer to prove he committed murder dont be surprised when you dont get given the evidence. All you can do is investigate the data provided by outside sources and make up your own mind im afraid. Ive looked at the details, ive looked at the mutant strains, ive looked at the AZ vaccine numbers and the link is easily found

This is the first I have heard of this. Any sources?

 

[No SPIN]

Its just creating mutant strains. Literally every country who has partaken in the AZ vaccine with a large scale rollout has had this issue. We cant ignore it because its uncomfortable or "unproven" even.

If you ask a murderer to prove he committed murder dont be surprised when you dont get given the evidence. All you can do is investigate the data provided by outside sources and make up your own mind im afraid. Ive looked at the details, ive looked at the mutant strains, ive looked at the AZ vaccine numbers and the link is easily found

Again you are peddling misinformation- viruses mutate, it’s a given, just as night follows days.
That’s why there’s a different Flu Vaccine every year - it’s not because the previous years Vaccine caused a new Virus variant.
The virus mutates and then Flu Vaccine is developed.
Sadly for you Conspiracists it’s a simple explanation.

 

[MrKK]

Yes I agree. People don’t willingly go out to get the virus. People need to be pulled in for that. However, the guy went to a massive COVID hotspot in India so I assume that’s why the finger pointing has been done.

He went in December, when it wasn't a Covid hotspot. Anyway, my observation was more that people just assume he will be OK at the same time as fearing death if they were to become infected.

 

[Run n Spread]

oof I've been champed. My feels.

I had a go at thinking out some practical proportional policies. Where are your ideas?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is the first I have heard of this. Any sources?

What do you want proven?

South Africa rolled out the AZ vaccine to a few hundred thousand nurses and critical staff before stopping. New variant popped up. When they tested the vaccine against this new variant it was 25% effective - https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop

This is the 3 main variants. All have been rolling out AZ, including India which has jabbed 10% of its population - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55659820

Apart from that what else are you after?

 

[Tiger Toffee]

No it just doesn’t look like the force people are claiming.

Doesn't matter what the force is, the cries from the child is enough for you to stop doing it and talk to the parents but like i mentioned earlier any parent would have ripped that security person's head off and be screaming at him not going " are you serious " and allowing him to take the kid out of the store so i'm a little bit 50/50 about how legit that video is, cries from the kid are real but the actions of the adults raise some eyebrows for me.

 

[faible]

I had a go at thinking out some practical proportional policies. Where are your ideas?

#1. Stop ****ing up hotel quarantine.

Federal Government to take some leadership given the international border is their problem, put some cash in, build a purpose built temporary facility (or multiple) similar to Howard Springs, which as far as I know, has had 0 outbreak issues.

Would save a hell of a lot of money that they've spent propping up hospitality and domestic tourism and allow mostly everything within the country to return to normal.

Instead we have the states running it, making the same repetitive mistakes, and stuffing the rest of us around.

We already know every single case will be traced back to an international traveller now after all.

 

[faible]

What do you want proven?

South Africa rolled out the AZ vaccine to a few hundred thousand nurses and critical staff before stopping. New variant popped up. When they tested the vaccine against this new variant it was 25% effective - https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop

This is the 3 main variants. All have been rolling out AZ, including India which has jabbed 10% of its population - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55659820

Apart from that what else are you after?

The SA variant was a thing circulating prior to AZ from memory. They were in the initial stages of rolling it out.

Israel hasn't had a mutant variant and are the most heavily vaccinated country I believe.

As usual. Correlation =/= Causation.

India is racking up > 300,000 new cases per day, numbers would suggest it's the massive amount of hosts giving opportunities for a virus to mutate, 17 million cases.

It's literally in the article you linked.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

#1. Stop ******* up hotel quarantine.

Federal Government to take some leadership given the international border is their problem, put some cash in, build a purpose built temporary facility (or multiple) similar to Howard Springs, which as far as I know, has had 0 outbreak issues.

Would save a hell of a lot of money that they've spent propping up hospitality and domestic tourism and allow mostly everything within the country to return to normal.

Instead we have the states running it, making the same repetitive mistakes, and stuffing the rest of us around.

We already know every single case will be traced back to an international traveller now after all.

You are pretending that the Federal government wants this to stop though. By removing the problem, you remove there extra powers, so why would they remove the problem?

3 months ago they tore down someones front door to prevent a govt protest in Ballarat. Why exactly would they want this ability removed from themselves?

Dont be naive and pretend they do not love it when the virus escapes. It gives them more power to do what they want and suits there narrative so on it will go

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The SA variant was a thing circulating prior to AZ from memory. They were in the initial stages of rolling it out.

Israel hasn't had a mutant variant and are the most heavily vaccinated country I believe.

As usual. Correlation =/= Causation.

India is racking up > 300,000 new cases per day, numbers would suggest it's the massive amount of hosts giving opportunities for a virus to mutate, 17 million cases.

It's literally in the article you linked.

Israel used Pfizer and Moderna, not Bills pile of crap? If anything its more evidence on the theory that the AZ vaccine is awful. US hasnt had mutations either and arnt using Bills death jab

 

[No SPIN]

What do you want proven?

South Africa rolled out the AZ vaccine to a few hundred thousand nurses and critical staff before stopping. New variant popped up. When they tested the vaccine against this new variant it was 25% effective - https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop

This is the 3 main variants. All have been rolling out AZ, including India which has jabbed 10% of its population - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55659820

Apart from that what else are you after?

you were asked to provide references to substantiate this claim:

“Its just creating mutant strains. Literally every country who has partaken in the AZ vaccine with a large scale rollout has had this issue”

Neither of the references you supplied support this claim.
So clearly if that’s the best you do - then as suspected, your claim is a fabrication.

 

[faible]

You are pretending that the Federal government wants this to stop though. By removing the problem, you remove there extra powers, so why would they remove the problem?

3 months ago they tore down someones front door to prevent a govt protest in Ballarat. Why exactly would they want this ability removed from themselves?

Dont be naive and pretend they do not love it when the virus escapes. It gives them more power to do what they want and suits there narrative so on it will go

Well. That's one read.

The other is they're simply inept, and, much like everything else, want to pass the responsibility of actually doing anything on to the states. They well and truly have form for it given their mishandling of the bushfires, and their mishandling of the early states of responding to a global (allegedly fake) pandemic.

Of course, it's much more fun to imagine that ScoMo is a genius playing 4D chess with the entire country (other than posters on this forum) in a bid to turn Australia in to a totalitarian dictatorship under his rule.

 

[No SPIN]

Israel used Pfizer and Moderna, not Bills pile of crap? If anything its more evidence on the theory that the AZ vaccine is awful. US hasnt had mutations either and arnt using Bills death jab

More misinformation- the USA has several variants

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

And Israel has Indian variant

Israel logs Indian COVID-19 variant, sees some vaccine efficacy against it

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel has registered eight cases of a coronavirus variant first identified in India and believes that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partially effective against it, an Israeli health official said on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

So again your claims are wrong.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Well. That's one read.

The other is they're simply inept, and, much like everything else, want to pass the responsibility of actually doing anything on to the states. They well and truly have form for it given their mishandling of the bushfires, and their mishandling of the early states of responding to a global (allegedly fake) pandemic.

Of course, it's much more fun to imagine that ScoMo is a genius playing 4D chess with the entire country (other than posters on this forum) in a bid to turn Australia in to a totalitarian dictatorship under his rule.

I dont have to imagine something when the laws are there to prove the theory to be honest. I guess jailing people for protesting the govt is a normal democratic thing in 2021 huh?

 

[faible]

Israel used Pfizer and Moderna, not Bills pile of crap? If anything its more evidence on the theory that the AZ vaccine is awful. US hasnt had mutations either and arnt using Bills death jab

Again.

Correlation =/= Causation.

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what evidence actually is.

You're speculating. You believe that countries with a widespread roll-out of the AZ vaccine, are specifically due to the AZ vaccine, having mutant variants of SARS-CoV-2.

This despite the fact that even prior to any vaccines, there have been mutations.

auspice

nextstrain.org

 

[faible]

I dont have to imagine something when the laws are there to prove the theory to be honest. I guess jailing people for protesting the govt is a normal democratic thing in 2021 huh?

Once again.

Correlation =/= Causation.

The existence of emergency powers, do not therefore prove anything. You seem to misunderstand what evidence or proof actually are.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Once again.

Correlation =/= Causation.

The existence of emergency powers, do not therefore prove anything. You seem to misunderstand what evidence or proof actually are.

Im detailing the abuse of those powers? If the existence then abuse of the power isnt evidence, what is?

You are proclaiming what evidence isnt so please tell us what it is? There is only so many times you can move the goalposts. Its getting old. Just tell us where the goalposts are and leave it at that perhaps?

 

[yebiga]

Feel free to point out the fallacies I’ve posted.
There’s your challenge- if I’m the enemy then you’ll enjoy bringing me down.
Off you go.

Punchy, that has already happened!
Let's be frank, there is entirely nothing that you've posted in this thread that hasn't already been heard ad infinitum.
We question the tests, we question the vaccine - we cite experts and personal testimony - we provide links to sites that are cautious and well referenced.
Your response is to point out the there was an incorrect page number, the sample size was not convincing, the conclusion could be interpreted differrently.

Vaccines: Successes and Controversies

Documentaries about the biggest successes and the most controversial aspects of vaccines.

swprs.org

You demand proof when it's already buried you.

The only thing that sustains this stubbornness in the face of the irrefutable are the air heads on our TVs - the scripted theatre of case and death counts based on nothing but ambit claims. Then you do a dance - much like those nurses in hospitals we've seen over the last 14 months.

We've seen this outrage now played out for years with diminishing effect. Consider for 4 plus years, we were told how the Russians were rigging elections, poisoning people, downing planes, and destroying Syria. All of it has gone the way of the Iraqi WMDs. Fake narrative after fake narrative. If they couldn't sustain the WMDs narrative this global pandemic has no hope.

But there is our No Spin - the line is cast and the hook doesn't even require any bait for you to bite on it.

Are your eyes rolling yet? don't worry in just a moment you will forget all you've just read and believe all those that don't bite on the hook are...what CTs or some other lame arse nonsense designed to calm you and keep you in the herd.

 

[bok_party]

He went in December, when it wasn't a Covid hotspot. Anyway, my observation was more that people just assume he will be OK at the same time as fearing death if they were to become infected.

Didn't realise it was that long ago. I think there's a bit of a mix. Some people are claiming it's basically death if you get it whilst others are saying it's nothing to be feared. It's in between in my opinion.

 

[bok_party]

What do you want proven?

South Africa rolled out the AZ vaccine to a few hundred thousand nurses and critical staff before stopping. New variant popped up. When they tested the vaccine against this new variant it was 25% effective - https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop

This is the 3 main variants. All have been rolling out AZ, including India which has jabbed 10% of its population - https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55659820

Apart from that what else are you after?

I wasn't saying you were wrong, just asking for sources on it (which is aperfectly valid question to ask?).

It does seem that you are finding a correlation without any evidence though. Again, not saying it's not a possibility but it's the first time I had heard anyone saying vaccines are the reason the virus is mutating.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Again.

Correlation =/= Causation.

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what evidence actually is.

You're speculating. You believe that countries with a widespread roll-out of the AZ vaccine, are specifically due to the AZ vaccine, having mutant variants of SARS-CoV-2.

This despite the fact that even prior to any vaccines, there have been mutations.

auspice

nextstrain.org

I said I am speculating though. I simply do not believe murderers will hand over evidence proving they are murderers like I said before.

Im happy for you to explain why Brazils Jan 2021 variant coincides with there rollout of the China Coronavac vaccine which is the same vaccine style as the AZ one also? Just a fluke im guessing

They had spread for 12+ months now. Why did variants take 12 months to take hold

 

[bok_party]

Doesn't matter what the force is, the cries from the child is enough for you to stop doing it and talk to the parents but like i mentioned earlier any parent would have ripped that security person's head off and be screaming at him not going " are you serious " and allowing him to take the kid out of the store so i'm a little bit 50/50 about how legit that video is, cries from the kid are real but the actions of the adults raise some eyebrows for me.

Yeah I agree. I get frustrated at the exaggeration from both sides. The validity of both sides trying to catch each other out with these gotcha moments only exacerbated the whole situation across the globe.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I wasn't saying you were wrong, just asking for sources on it (which is aperfectly valid question to ask?).

It does seem that you are finding a correlation without any evidence though. Again, not saying it's not a possibility but it's the first time I had heard anyone saying vaccines are the reason the virus is mutating.

I cant provide evidence which is what i said before. The evidence is being withheld as it can only be produced by those committing the crime so to speak. Asking for it is asinine really.

 

[bok_party]

Punchy, that has already happened!
Let's be frank, there is entirely nothing that you've posted in this thread that hasn't already been heard ad infinitum.
We question the tests, we question the vaccine - we cite experts and personal testimony - we provide links to sites that are cautious and well referenced.
Your response is to point out the there was an incorrect page number, the sample size was not convincing, the conclusion could be interpreted differrently.

Vaccines: Successes and Controversies

Documentaries about the biggest successes and the most controversial aspects of vaccines.

swprs.org

You demand proof when it's already buried you.

The only thing that sustains this stubbornness in the face of the irrefutable are the air heads on our TVs - the scripted theatre of case and death counts based on nothing but ambit claims. Then you do a dance - much like those nurses in hospitals we've seen over the last 14 months.

We've seen this outrage now played out for years with diminishing effect. Consider for 4 plus years, we were told how the Russians were rigging elections, poisoning people, downing planes, and destroying Syria. All of it has gone the way of the Iraqi WMDs. Fake narrative after fake narrative. If they couldn't sustain the WMDs narrative this global pandemic has no hope.

But there is our No Spin - the line is cast and the hook doesn't even require any bait for you to bite on it.

Are your eyes rolling yet? don't worry in just a moment you will forget all you've just read and believe all those that don't bite on the hook are...what CTs or some other lame arse nonsense designed to calm you and keep you in the herd.

Except Russia did interfere with the US elections. They didn't necessarily rig it but they influenced it in a major way.