Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[No SPIN]

India had once of the best responses to COVID with its IVM +Zn + antibiotic pack, minimal if any lockdowns and after a peak of around 1000 deaths a day last October declined to almost none just before the COIVD injection rollout. 300,000 health workers were the first to get it at start of Jan and 114 million doses now given correlated with an exponential increase in cases and deaths. However 2,800 deaths a day, 10% of total deaths per day and 425 per million. Compare that with Italy at 1,977 per mil, UK at 1,880 per mil and US at 1,732 per mil.

India launches world's largest vaccination drive

Over 300,000 frontline workers to get vaccination shots on 1st day of nationwide roll-out - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

While correlation isn't causation, it's too much of a coincidence where countries all around the world show the an exponential increase in deaths from COVID 19 after starting the COIVD injections.

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UK compared with India up until Feb 19th. Deaths per million for India now is 4.24

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Again you post misinformation-eg Uk
Why do cases drop dramatically after the peak given Jabbing continued?
Clearly that shows your correlation is unsound.
Further why have you not added the trends in testing - clearly the increase of cases will correlate with increased testing and not the jab.
Finally why don’t you also acknowledge that Winter would naturally see a rise in cases so again making your correlation unsound.

So clearly you have erred again with a lack of ability to critically evaluate information- but thankfully people can see right through this ineptitude.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I feel bad for the W.A gym owners. All they have asked is for a copy of the medical advice that is keeping them closed and if they can negotiate ways around it and W.A govt refuses to co operate. The real issue is simple here. Bunnings provide political donations. Gym owners do not. Its probably time for them to band together and give Mark a 500,000 political donation. Doors will swing open faster then you can say Lets go to Bunnings really

So no AZ vaccines administered in Brazil prior to the Manaus mutation, and if the Sinovac vaccine caused it, why isn't China completely riddled with variants? Methinks you're simply, wrong.



I even said it was police overreach, seems like we're in agreeance.



Pretty easily. She wasn't sent to a gas chamber, was she? Ridiculous comparison.



It really doesn't.



Resorting to violence so soon? Against those who disagree with you? How Stalin-esque of you.



Classic. Resorting to personal attacks and threats is par for the course for you. How quickly the facade drops from caring about anyone else.



If it doesn't get out of HQ, it's not inevitable.

However, contact tracing being a sh*t-show between states needs to be addressed. There should have been a single, national, QR code system linked back to contact tracing teams in each state. All running off systems that work, e.g. the NSW ones.



Initial sample was 9,000 healthcare workers in Sao Paolo. A city of ~ 12 million people. Located about as far from Manaus as Melbourne is from Perth. So I'd say it's the less likely version of events than mine.



Except there's little to no evidence of that occurring. Whilst there is decades of evidence that given large numbers of hosts, viruses will mutate of their own volition.

Imagine the argument you are running with is "Why isnt China". China are dishonest mate. Please do not use them as a beacon of truth. If you want to use the guys who say Tiamen Square protests did not happen despite the video proof then you probably need to re evaluate what you consider honesty really.

I personally find your pro China love a bit weird really. You need to watch what you are supporting when you keep cheering them on if you ask me

 

[faible]

I personally find your pro China love a bit weird really

Classic. Make up an accusation so you can avoid having to provide anything to support your position. When have I ever been 'pro' China?

I think pretty much everyone agrees that you can't trust the numbers out of China, because there was a myriad of information out there on social media showing what was going on conflicting with the official story.

Right now, where's the myriad of social media posts showing this vaccine driven mutation taking over China?

Or maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.

 

[No SPIN]

By definition a pandemic is "an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people"

So, not seasonal.

They also said it has to be a "Novel" virus not seem before but SARS CoV 2 is very similar to SARS 1, MERS and four other common cold corona viruses and it has to be severe. PCR testing bumped up the cases with high replication cycles and WHO changed it causes of death classification to include a covid - 19 death can occur of other causes within 30 days of having symptoms, you didn't even had to have a positive test, which never happened before.

You are incorrect again.
SARS-COVID-2 by virtue of its name has always been seen to be related to SARS - nobody has suggested otherwise, so your novelty assertion is false.
Please provide a credible link to deaths being noted as due to COVID Without prior positive COVID test.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Classic. Make up an accusation so you can avoid having to provide anything to support your position. When have I ever been 'pro' China?

I think pretty much everyone agrees that you can't trust the numbers out of China, because there was a myriad of information out there on social media showing what was going on conflicting with the official story.

Right now, where's the myriad of social media posts showing this vaccine driven mutation taking over China?

Or maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.

You are the one who brought up Chinas numbers and now you say you cant trust them?

Then you go back to where is the proof vaccine drove mutation in China?

Pick a ****ing opinion and stick with it. Do we trust there information or not?

 

[bok_party]

You are avoiding the question mate. Answer it. How would a 10% increase in services turn a 8 hour a day job into a 24/7 a day job?

You said you found it hard that a population of 1 billion can’t cremate 3000 people a day. I don’t know how many funeral parlours there are in India or how many employees each have (it’s not necessarily a job many would want) but They are also running out space to do so. It doesn’t seem that unfathomable that they would have to work harder than usual to give families something meaningful.

apparently, one worker said they only had 22 spaces in the crematorium so seems they don’t have the space to house all those bodies whilst still cremate and possibly present them in a honourable way. I mean they are making bloody funeral pyres.

I think this answers the question undeniably as to how.

 

[bok_party]

Just guarantee me vaccine passes aren’t happening and a few of us might relax a little. You do see the trouble with those right?

And have you actually read the personal views of what the chair of WEF thinks about humanities future? - his views on transhumanism and the need for one world govt?

That’s out in the open and yet we are the crazy ones for challenging it.

Or perhaps you support the WEF promotion about owning nothing and being happy by the year 2030?

100% agree on a vaccine pass. That would not be the way forward but in saying that, is there a difference in having to get shots to enter some countries before COVID began?

I haven’t read the WEF so will not comment on it but if you have a link I will happily read it.

 

[Kurve]

Keep the personal insults off here will you lot? It starts with one, fuel gets added with tit for tat responses that escalate the problem and it's only a few posts later before someone is threatening to smack another posters head up against a wall.

Stop it.

This is a directive, not an opening for a discussion. Thanks.

 

[Bender20]

Owen, did Manaus have the Brazilian variant before testing of the vaccine started, be honest now.

Resurgence of COVID-19 in Manaus, Brazil, despite high seroprevalence

After initially containing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), many European and Asian countries had a resurgence of COVID-19 consistent with a large proportion of the population remaining susceptible to the virus after the first epidemic wave.1 By contrast, in Manaus...

www.thelancet.com

Of these, two are circulating in Brazil (B.1.1.7 and P.1) and one (P.1) was detected in Manaus on Jan 12, 2021.

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK

ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 has an acceptable safety profile and has been found to be efficacious against symptomatic COVID-19 in this interim analysis of ongoing clinical trials.

www.thelancet.com

Between April 23 and Nov 4, 2020, 23 848 participants were enrolled and 11 636 participants (7548 in the UK, 4088 in Brazil) were included in the interim primary efficacy analysis.

 

[yebiga]

Draw a large circle in the dirt. Place a scorpion in the middle.
The scorpion released into the circle runs around madly ecstatic but never crosses the line to go outside the circle.
Lower a stick and mark the circle in half and the scorpion will run around even more frantically again looking for an exit but it will not cross the lines of the half circle.
Now mark another line entrapping the scorpion. This is the moment of truth. The scorpion dazed and bewildered, finds itself unable to move. Raising its venous tail, the scorpion turns rapidly around and around in a frenzy. Whirling and whirling until all of its spirit and energy are spent. In utter hopelessness the scorpion stops, lowers the poisonous point of its tail, and stings itself to death. Its torment is ended.

Edwards A & Marsters R.E.L 1963 p.124

 

[faible]

You are the one who brought up Chinas numbers and now you say you cant trust them?

Then you go back to where is the proof vaccine drove mutation in China?

Pick a ******* opinion and stick with it. Do we trust there information or not?

It's not a sports team. You aren't for or against in totality.

Do we trust the official numbers provided by the CCP? No. Why? Because at the time, there was a myriad of reports (including video footage) via social media from people living in Wuhan that contradicted that evidence. The actions of the CCP taken in Wuhan, contradicted that evidence. The reports since that time, have contradicted that evidence. The official website appeared to have a data glitch that showed the true figures, that contradicted that evidence. The CCP themselves eventually released revised figures, that contradicted that evidence.

Is there any evidence, unofficial or official, to support that the Sinovac vaccine, has caused a mutation to occur, in China, where the Sinovac vaccine comes from? Or in any of the many countries that are rolling them out?

By evidence, I mean, actual evidence. Of any form.

Owen, did Manaus have the Brazilian variant before testing of the vaccine started, be honest now.

There's no evidence that shows the P.1 variant in circulation prior to approximately November 2020.

That's not therefore evidence of it being related to Sinovac's trial. Do you understand this?

Of these, two are circulating in Brazil (B.1.1.7 and P.1) and one (P.1) was detected in Manaus on Jan 12, 2021.

The Manaus sample was received at the lab in Sao Paolo on January 4th. Which means the sample was taken prior to January 4th. The lab believes the P.1 variant started circulating in Manaus around November.

Prior to late-October there was a vaccine trial of the Sinovac vaccine being conducted in Sao Paolo. Which is ~ 3,500 km from Manaus. So, if a variant was to emerge due to the vaccine, why would it emerge in Manaus and not Sao Paolo, where the trial volunteers were?

 

[MrKK]

100% agree on a vaccine pass. That would not be the way forward but in saying that, is there a difference in having to get shots to enter some countries before COVID began?

I haven’t read the WEF so will not comment on it but if you have a link I will happily read it.

Absolutely there's a difference between independent countries imposing their own entry requirements and domestic restrictions on basic activities of everyday life. Entry to a specific country is not an accepted human right in the same way as the right to work, assemble, mivefreely in your country etc.

 

[bok_party]

Absolutely there's a difference between independent countries imposing their own entry requirements and domestic restrictions on basic activities of everyday life. Entry to a specific country is not an accepted human right in the same way as the right to work, assemble, mivefreely in your country etc.

Yeah I’m thinking vaccine passport in regards to travel. So if a country says you need to have had your COVID shot to enter our country, then you are fine with that correct? You aren’t fine with it being used to go to concerts and sports etc

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

It's not a sports team. You aren't for or against in totality.

Do we trust the official numbers provided by the CCP? No. Why? Because at the time, there was a myriad of reports (including video footage) via social media from people living in Wuhan that contradicted that evidence. The actions of the CCP taken in Wuhan, contradicted that evidence. The reports since that time, have contradicted that evidence. The official website appeared to have a data glitch that showed the true figures, that contradicted that evidence. The CCP themselves eventually released revised figures, that contradicted that evidence.

Is there any evidence, unofficial or official, to support that the Sinovac vaccine, has caused a mutation to occur, in China, where the Sinovac vaccine comes from? Or in any of the many countries that are rolling them out?

By evidence, I mean, actual evidence. Of any form.



There's no evidence that shows the P.1 variant in circulation prior to approximately November 2020.

That's not therefore evidence of it being related to Sinovac's trial. Do you understand this?



The Manaus sample was received at the lab in Sao Paolo on January 4th. Which means the sample was taken prior to January 4th. The lab believes the P.1 variant started circulating in Manaus around November.

Prior to late-October there was a vaccine trial of the Sinovac vaccine being conducted in Sao Paolo. Which is ~ 3,500 km from Manaus. So, if a variant was to emerge due to the vaccine, why would it emerge in Manaus and not Sao Paolo, where the trial volunteers were?

When one team is committing human atrocities left right and centre, I will be thoroughly against that team thank you very much

 

[Bender20]

It's not a sports team. You aren't for or against in totality.

Do we trust the official numbers provided by the CCP? No. Why? Because at the time, there was a myriad of reports (including video footage) via social media from people living in Wuhan that contradicted that evidence. The actions of the CCP taken in Wuhan, contradicted that evidence. The reports since that time, have contradicted that evidence. The official website appeared to have a data glitch that showed the true figures, that contradicted that evidence. The CCP themselves eventually released revised figures, that contradicted that evidence.

Is there any evidence, unofficial or official, to support that the Sinovac vaccine, has caused a mutation to occur, in China, where the Sinovac vaccine comes from? Or in any of the many countries that are rolling them out?

By evidence, I mean, actual evidence. Of any form.



There's no evidence that shows the P.1 variant in circulation prior to approximately November 2020.

That's not therefore evidence of it being related to Sinovac's trial. Do you understand this?



The Manaus sample was received at the lab in Sao Paolo on January 4th. Which means the sample was taken prior to January 4th. The lab believes the P.1 variant started circulating in Manaus around November.

Prior to late-October there was a vaccine trial of the Sinovac vaccine being conducted in Sao Paolo. Which is ~ 3,500 km from Manaus. So, if a variant was to emerge due to the vaccine, why would it emerge in Manaus and not Sao Paolo, where the trial volunteers were?

Phase 3 trials.
Starting on July 20 on Active Health workers!

Vaccine: Brazil clears third phase testing with 9,000 volunteers

Regulators in Brazil authorized the final round of testing of a prospective Covid-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biological institute Sinovac Biotech.

brazilian.report

 

[faible]

When one team is committing human atrocities left right and centre, I will be thoroughly against that team thank you very much

So, not only did you miss the point, you missed the planet.

 

[faible]

Phase 3 trials.
Starting on July 20 on Active Health workers!

Vaccine: Brazil clears third phase testing with 9,000 volunteers

Regulators in Brazil authorized the final round of testing of a prospective Covid-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biological institute Sinovac Biotech.

brazilian.report

Ok.

So.

Why no mutation in Sao Paolo where these people taking part in the trial were. Why Manaus, where they weren't?

 

[MrKK]

Yeah I’m thinking vaccine passport in regards to travel. So if a country says you need to have had your COVID shot to enter our country, then you are fine with that correct? You aren’t fine with it being used to go to concerts and sports etc

Yes. I'd rather they didn't, but it's their country and I can either abide by their rules or not go there.

Vaccine passports for international travel are inevitable, it just depends on if some countries choose not to use them as an entry requirement. It might not matter whether they do if all of the IATA airlines make it a requirement to travel.

 

[zill]

SARS-COVID-2 by virtue of its name has always been seen to be related to SARS - nobody has suggested otherwise, so your novelty assertion is false.

For months at the start of all this it was called novel coronavirus in the media, and that no one had any immunity to it. This was all over the media, I'm surprised you don't remember this.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

100% agree on a vaccine pass. That would not be the way forward but in saying that, is there a difference in having to get shots to enter some countries before COVID began?

I haven’t read the WEF so will not comment on it but if you have a link I will happily read it.

Resetting the world: Klaus Schwab on The Great Reset podcast

World Economic Forum Founder Klaus Schwab's book on the Great Reset; and a report that shows how working with nature can deliver millions of jobs.

www.weforum.org

 

[faible]

For months at the start of all this it was called novel coronavirus in the media, and that no one had any immunity to it. This was all over the media, I'm surprised you don't remember this.

It can be both novel and related to SARS.

From SARS and MERS to COVID-19: a brief summary and comparison of severe acute respiratory infections caused by three highly pathogenic human coronaviruses

Within two decades, there have emerged three highly pathogenic and deadly human coronaviruses, namely SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. The economic burden and health threats caused by these coronaviruses are extremely dreadful and getting more serious as the increasing number of global...

respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com

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SARS-CoV-2 shares approximately 79.5% genomic homology with SARS-CoV while only about 50% similarity with MERS-CoV, indicating that SARS-CoV is closer to SARS-CoV

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So, not only did you miss the point, you missed the planet.

Nah I get it. You want to pick and choose when to like them and believe them when it suits your life circumstances. I get the self involved view as its all you are showing

 

[bok_party]

Yes. I'd rather they didn't, but it's their country and I can either abide by their rules or not go there.

Vaccine passports for international travel are inevitable, it just depends on if some countries choose not to use them as an entry requirement. It might not matter whether they do if all of the IATA airlines make it a requirement to travel.

Yeah I don't have an issue with international travel but if it gets to the point where I have to for a concert etc then it gets a bit extreme.

When people complain about it being a tracking thing, I don't have an issue with because we already let people know where we are through social media, using our credit/debit cards and using google maps etc.

 

[yebiga]

There is no evidence of a pandemic and has nt been one for almost a 100 years.
We are to believe that both influenza and pneumonia have been all but cured.

Local GPs are spilling their vaccines down the sink and refilling the bottles with Saline. And still the vaccination deployment is marred by hesitancy.

The Victorian Government has proposed the return of international students, all but admitting there is no pandemic.

Whilst a significant number of the population, media and authority figures remain convinced there was and is a pandemic and fixate over vaccinations, the country like much of the world is in an inescapable mental trap of its own design.

Problem is that now that JobKeeper has stopped - the last payment made on the 7th of April - many businesses are facing reality. Landlords will evict, banks foreclose, shop fronts boarded.

Across the country, there are insufficient workers, grapes go unpicked, ore un-mined, beer un-poured. While the pandemic fantasy persists we can't bring in students, tourists, migrants or working visas. The only conceivable solution is to offer tax free income to welfare and pension recipients. Or, we face considerable wage increases as employers compete for a scarce number of workers, leading inevitably to an uptick in inflation. Or, our governments release another campaign of helicopter money.

Really, this is all just great and we should be happy to be living in such amazing times where nothing in the world makes any sense and perhaps sense has been over-rated. At any rate, my love to all of you and don't forget if all else fails, you can cut off your dick or your breasts and change gender.

 

[bok_party]

It can be both novel and related to SARS.

From SARS and MERS to COVID-19: a brief summary and comparison of severe acute respiratory infections caused by three highly pathogenic human coronaviruses

Within two decades, there have emerged three highly pathogenic and deadly human coronaviruses, namely SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2. The economic burden and health threats caused by these coronaviruses are extremely dreadful and getting more serious as the increasing number of global...

respiratory-research.biomedcentral.com

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But it's an experimental vaccine? How did they make it so quickly? They need to map all of the genome!!!!!