Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Well, that's not true.

"Live a healthy lifestyle" isn't being labelled a conspiracy theory, it's all the stuff that follows it that is.

Yes it is. How many times can Mark McGowan go into the media and say that this virus is dangerous to everyone before that is the actual theory?

 

[faible]

Yes it is. How many times can Mark McGowan go into the media and say that this virus is dangerous to everyone before that is the actual theory?

As I said. It's the stuff that follows the statement.

No is saying "oh living a healthy lifestyle, that's a conspiracy theory!".

It's also not like being healthy makes you immune to getting sick. It's not an all or nothing proposition. Being healthier makes you less likely to get seriously ill, from a multititude of things. You still hear of plenty of young, healthy people getting knocked flat with things though.

 

[Catfish Alley]

True. Some athletes have been pretty badly effected. Young and healthy guys. Canucks over here probably hardest hit in sports actually.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

As I said. It's the stuff that follows the statement.

No is saying "oh living a healthy lifestyle, that's a conspiracy theory!".

It's also not like being healthy makes you immune to getting sick. It's not an all or nothing proposition. Being healthier makes you less likely to get seriously ill, from a multititude of things. You still hear of plenty of young, healthy people getting knocked flat with things though.

Why cant we talk about the stuff that follows the alternative? I dont care if Mark says the virus is dangerous to anyone, but his refusal to quantify the statement thereafter with the importance of physical health, healthy eating, exercise, vitamin D is something that makes what he says a loaded bullshit statement

If you want to define the scope of a concept by it being 100% effective, then the vaccine is a complete failure also. Its not a healthy way to define a success is all. If the all or nothing is the guideline then surely the govt can also run the "the vaccine may not prevent you from getting sick or getting the virus, so rush out and get your vaccine today"

 

[faible]

Why cant we talk about the stuff that follows the alternative? I dont care if Mark says the virus is dangerous to anyone, but his refusal to quantify the statement thereafter with the importance of physical health, healthy eating, exercise, vitamin D is something that makes what he says a loaded bullshit statement

If you want to define the scope of a concept by it being 100% effective, then the vaccine is a complete failure also. Its not a healthy way to define a success is all. If the all or nothing is the guideline then surely the govt can also run the "the vaccine may not prevent you from getting sick or getting the virus, so rush out and get your vaccine today"

Because when you're dealing with 2.5 million people, having all kinds of grey area qualifiers isn't good messaging.

"It's dangerous to everyone, so everyone needs to play their part"

versus

"It's mostly only dangerous to people that are older, or obese, or have diabetes, or asthma, or some kind of immune compromising disease, or who aren't in good physical health, or who have some form of cardiac problem. Also, even though it probably won't be overly dangerous to you if you're not one of those things, you might still get very sick if you're unlucky. You also might pass it on to someone who does have those things, and make them very sick. So play your part."

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Why cant we talk about the stuff that follows the alternative? I dont care if Mark says the virus is dangerous to anyone, but his refusal to quantify the statement thereafter with the importance of physical health, healthy eating, exercise, vitamin D is something that makes what he says a loaded bullshit statement

If you want to define the scope of a concept by it being 100% effective, then the vaccine is a complete failure also. Its not a healthy way to define a success is all. If the all or nothing is the guideline then surely the govt can also run the "the vaccine may not prevent you from getting sick or getting the virus, so rush out and get your vaccine today"

He doesn't qualify his statements because he doesn't want to promote things that might be taken as alternatives to masks and lockdowns, not additions. "I did as McClown told me, ate my veggies and walked the dog every day, and I still got Covid! He's a charlatan, a witch doctor, a promoter of misinformation, Facebook should cancel him!"

Plus nobody ever reveals the science behind these arbitrary statements: "This super duper quadruple multivariant is 87.4% worse than the former variant we scared you with and will kill everybody." Then, no one gets it.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Because when you're dealing with 2.5 million people, having all kinds of grey area qualifiers isn't good messaging.

"It's dangerous to everyone, so everyone needs to play their part"

versus

"It's mostly only dangerous to people that are older, or obese, or have diabetes, or asthma, or some kind of immune compromising disease, or who aren't in good physical health, or who have some form of cardiac problem. Also, even though it probably won't be overly dangerous to you if you're not one of those things, you might still get very sick if you're unlucky. You also might pass it on to someone who does have those things, and make them very sick. So play your part."

Its essentially misinformation vs the truth there is it not? One side of the argument can spread misinformation for "the greater good" and the other cannot because "its dangerous". Can you not see how one eyed and nonsenical that situation is?

If we are being honest what you are saying is we should lie because the qualifier is large? Thats nonesense. The truth should always prevail. If it doesnt then what does it say about the argument being made? If you have to lie for people to believe it its not much of a argument

 

[Catfish Alley]

If people need to be told that fresh air, eating well and exercise is good for you then I’m surprised the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed already.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If people need to be told that fresh air, eating well and exercise is good for you then I’m surprised the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed already.

Yes they are

Perths hopistals have 8+ hour wait times, have had to open up 500+ extra beds and are trying to instantly hire 500+ staff to man them in the next few months. Its a absolute shit show at present. If I get sick im not going to hospital. Would pay the 300+ bucks to go to the private doctors clinics instead

Almost all people Ive spoken to from Bali have told me they would not go to our hospitals if seriously ill and would instead fly to Bali to get healthcare there instead if able bodied. That says all you need to know

 

[Catfish Alley]

Interesting. Wonder if that’s nationwide or a Perth problem. My nephew had to go to hospital in Melbourne a few weeks ago and didn’t have to wait at all.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Interesting. Wonder if that’s nationwide or a Perth problem. My nephew had to go to hospital in Melbourne a few weeks ago and didn’t have to wait at all.

Perth + Brisbane + Adelaide issue ie. places where population has boomed causing rental issues as well for example. Melbourne and Sydney are fine since people are leaving, lowering the population causing lower demand then expected based on fewer people

Another thing also is Emperor Mark has greatly reduced investment in health services over 4+ years in order to fund infrastructure and public transport upgrades so its a culmination of those decisions also thats bit him in the ass

 

[giggler99]

Such a hero hey picking on a pregnant women! I bet 100% he wouldn't be ranting at a big guy with tatts for not wearing a mask.

f@cking coward!

 

[Catfish Alley]

Thought Melbourne population recently cracked 5 million and was tracking to overtake Sydney?

Anyway, off topic. I would be surprised if people need to be told those things though. If you’re not eating well you’re probably not going to change if some politician tells you to.

 

[faible]

Its essentially misinformation vs the truth there is it not? One side of the argument can spread misinformation for "the greater good" and the other cannot because "its dangerous". Can you not see how one eyed and nonsenical that situation is?

If we are being honest what you are saying is we should lie because the qualifier is large? Thats nonesense. The truth should always prevail. If it doesnt then what does it say about the argument being made? If you have to lie for people to believe it its not much of a argument

False equivalency.

 

[faible]

Perth + Brisbane + Adelaide issue ie. places where population has boomed causing rental issues as well for example. Melbourne and Sydney are fine since people are leaving, lowering the population causing lower demand then expected based on fewer people

Another thing also is Emperor Mark has greatly reduced investment in health services over 4+ years in order to fund infrastructure and public transport upgrades so its a culmination of those decisions also thats bit him in the ass

Hopsital ramping is a major issue in many of the cities, Cairns is currently having issues for example despite having had a similar population for the past decade.

We've not invested sufficiently in upgrading our hospital capacity for the population growth we've had. At least in Cairns, the issue is that current works they're doing on the hospital to increase capacity are part of the cause.

I also don't think it's true that people leaving Melbourne has caused the population to decline, it's just slowed the growth rate.

 

[ioppolo]

Bali with no real lockdown atm at 500 cases a day and about 1000 deaths overall. Someone I know was explaining to me that recently they cut there finger very severely while working at a restaurant and it took 6 hours to see a doctor in the emergency ward in Perth, in Bali his mother doing her new job in the rice fields fell over and severely hurt her leg a few months later. She went to the hospital and was in in 15 minutes

It says alot really about the importance of healthy living id say. People in Bali dont normally chain smoke, eat McDonalds every day and then blame a flu like virus for all there problems

Are you sure about the Bali statement? The locals love to smoke. And I wouldn't call their lifestyles "healthy living" either by any means.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

False equivalency.

It depends what you actually think misinformation is. I think witholding the truth is misinformation for sure

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Are you sure about the Bali statement? The locals love to smoke. And I wouldn't call their lifestyles "healthy living" either by any means.

It is alot fewer people then those realise.

Compared to Australia, it is for sure foremost

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Hopsital ramping is a major issue in many of the cities, Cairns is currently having issues for example despite having had a similar population for the past decade.

We've not invested sufficiently in upgrading our hospital capacity for the population growth we've had. At least in Cairns, the issue is that current works they're doing on the hospital to increase capacity are part of the cause.

I also don't think it's true that people leaving Melbourne has caused the population to decline, it's just slowed the growth rate.

Different levels though. Perths ramping issues are leading to deaths. Big case here with a 7 year old child dieing as doctors refused to see her and the state government refusing to release information or reports on what happened.

Disgraceful lack of coverage as well in the media. A indian girl so obviously in oz media that means its not important

 

[faible]

It depends what you actually think misinformation is. I think witholding the truth is misinformation for sure

Government messaging needs to be clear and concise, adding a myriad of grey areas is only going to diminish the effectiveness of any messaging.

You're speaking like someone who has never had to communicate anything to anyone.

Ultimately the government wants everyone to take responsibility for doing something, adding a whole heap of qualifiers that it's dangerous most of the time to certain people, but that other people can still catch it, spread it, or get sick from it, and that everyone still needs to do something anyway, is going to lead to a worse outcome.

Should the government as general health policy be encouraging healthier lifestyles, including more fresh produce and exercise? Of course. In this specific scenario is it relevant to what they're trying to achieve? No.

If you want to pretend they're spouting misinformation then go for it, but you're wrong.

 

[Catfish Alley]

Looked it up out of interest. Average life expectancy is 64 with biggest percentages of death being caused by lung cancer, diabetes and heart disease.

Indonesia - Bali | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

Find overviews of population health and demographic information for all countries.

www.healthdata.org

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Looked it up out of interest. Average life expectancy is 64 with biggest percentages of death being caused by lung cancer, diabetes and heart disease.

Indonesia - Bali | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

Find overviews of population health and demographic information for all countries.

www.healthdata.org

Thats because in Bali not many post mortems actually get done. The reason 40% of people die with diabetes or lung cancer for example is they can afford to go to hospital to get there death properly reported with a cause of death given hence why they can afford to have lung cancer or diabetes. Its not like Australia

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Government messaging needs to be clear and concise, adding a myriad of grey areas is only going to diminish the effectiveness of any messaging.

You're speaking like someone who has never had to communicate anything to anyone.

Ultimately the government wants everyone to take responsibility for doing something, adding a whole heap of qualifiers that it's dangerous most of the time to certain people, but that other people can still catch it, spread it, or get sick from it, and that everyone still needs to do something anyway, is going to lead to a worse outcome.

Should the government as general health policy be encouraging healthier lifestyles, including more fresh produce and exercise? Of course. In this specific scenario is it relevant to what they're trying to achieve? No.

If you want to pretend they're spouting misinformation then go for it, but you're wrong.

If you think government messaging around coronavirus has been clear and concise you have officially lost the plot. What is clear and precise about telling people they have to wear a mask when they stand, not when they sit, be in groups of 10, book a table, sign into a app, take a mask on and off as you go up and order, eat without a mask and so forth but put it on if you are not drinking or wating, just to go out and have dinner in a public area?

 

[M Malice]

If people need to be told that fresh air, eating well and exercise is good for you then I’m surprised the hospitals aren’t overwhelmed already.

Nigh on 100% would know that fresh air, eating well and exercise is good for you, a lot though are just too bloody lazy to do anything about it.

 

[faible]

If you think government messaging around coronavirus has been clear and concise you have officially lost the plot. What is clear and precise about telling people they have to wear a mask when they stand, not when they sit, be in groups of 10, book a table, sign into a app, take a mask on and off as you go up and order, eat without a mask and so forth but put it on if you are not drinking or wating, just to go out and have dinner in a public area?

The funny thing is, whilst you're criticising these for not being concise, the version of messaging you'd demand is either nonexistent, or significantly more complex.