Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

Thoughts on COVID-19? (Choose 2 options)

  • It's a naturally occurring virus

    Votes: 15 20.3%

  • It came from a Chinese laboratory

    Votes: 31 41.9%

  • It came from a US/other laboratory

    Votes: 5 6.8%

  • It's dangerous and harsh restrictions are necessary

    Votes: 19 25.7%

  • It's not dangerous enough to warrant harsh restrictions

    Votes: 22 29.7%

  • It's basically another flu, so restrictions are silly

    Votes: 14 18.9%
  • Total voters
    74

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owen87 said:
You're yet to present any factual evidence. Making up numbers isn't fact, nor evidence.

Try harder.
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I presented an article from our ABC citing a Doctor and you referenced an article from Reuters Fact Checking.
I then proceeded to analyse their statements to test their veracity. If I have erred, please detail how?
I have used the numbers cited in those articles pertaining to PCR cycles and conjectured what the Dr Bruce may have meant when he used the word "most"
I have allowed best and worst case numbers. And have biased towards the worst case conclusion precisely because of the persistent vagueness and lack of clarity. The same kind of dodging and vagueness you are engaging in.

I am happy to consider the best case scenario to justify the prevailing case numbers and death counts. Unfortunately, those on your side of the argument are not prepared either reveal their thought processes and logic or are bereft of either. I would encourage you to stop behaving like a toddler who refuses to take a bath.
 

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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Why would be trust the WHO with anything? They are the biggest conspiracy theorist of all

They literally believe a bat f’ed a pangalin who was eaten by a man caused a bat like virus when that person was literally 500m away from a bat virus producing facility.

We may as well send WHO to investigate the source of the Big Mac. Suspect they would walk into McDonalds, order a burger, eat it and be like "This is definetly from KFC. I can tell by the amount of seeds on the bun"
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What's your view on Australia's own Hendra Virus, which is Bat-Horse-human transmission? Was this also created by the government?
 
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What's your view on Australia's own Hendra Virus, which is Bat-Horse-human transmission? Was this also created by the government?
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My view is zoonotic diseases do exist. I just dont believe they exist in the frameworks of a seafood market in a urban city thats 500m from a virus producing plant.

If for example the Hendra Virus was born in the alleyway of the CSL facilities in Melbourne, what would be your view then? Was this likely created by CSL or a zoonotic disease created by 2 animals in alleyway?
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
Why would be trust the WHO with anything? They are the biggest conspiracy theorist of all

They literally believe a bat f’ed a pangalin who was eaten by a man caused a bat like virus when that person was literally 500m away from a bat virus producing facility.

We may as well send WHO to investigate the source of the Big Mac. Suspect they would walk into McDonalds, order a burger, eat it and be like "This is definetly from KFC. I can tell by the amount of seeds on the bun"
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They're messaging is shockingly inconsistent. A bit like the UN or world bodies it's hard to ascertain what their goal is. Who funds them and who are they accountable to? Essentially they are unelected so it raises questions as a body especially about their compotence and impartiality.
To go local as a Victorian this shits me no end. Speak to a politician they will parrot the line of the higher ups who parrot the health bureaucracy who say they are following advice.
Advice from who? Nobody is leading or making a decision. Just listening to bodies with an agenda and motives to push this.
Even on this thread. You get people come in carrying on they work in science and we need to respect the science without offering any backing just rambling about conspiracies or reptilian shape shifters etc.
This has been an unprecedented time which has fundamentally changed how we live and our laws and way of life. Ergo the onus is on those pushing this to provide evidence to back up this response. Frankly with a 2020 mortality less than 2019 and crap like asymptomatic super spreaders
Health "advice" like this will spread from sweat droplets off joggers and playing golf will kill people I'm not buying this.
It's reactionary hysteria.
 
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GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
My view is zoonotic diseases do exist. I just dont believe they exist in the frameworks of a seafood market in a urban city thats 500m from a virus producing plant.

If for example the Hendra Virus was born in the alleyway of the CSL facilities in Melbourne, what would be your view then? Was this likely created by CSL or a zoonotic disease created by 2 animals in alleyway?
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You realise where Hendra is?

What about the CSIRO (more appropriate than CSL) lab 25km away. Maybe, someone created it there and released it at Hendra.
 
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You realise where Hendra is?

What about the CSIRO (more appropriate than CSL) lab 25km away. Maybe, someone created it there and released it at Hendra.
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Not really about the origins. I just know more or less about the lawsuits against the vaccine makers that is no more then a placebo for a non dangerous disease. Hendra virus no offense to it is a slightly smaller issue then Covid so its unlikely ill have the same level of knowledge

If what you are saying is true re: a proven virus location then id suggest CSIRO should be investigated heavily and a real investigation to occur in that situation. That info does change my views and I do think its very much something that could have been released by the CSIRO.

In saying that, its a harsh comparison for CSIRO to receive. We are comparing a guy who stomped a cockaroch to a guy who went on a killing spree so its a harsh comparison

I also tend to believe asbestos is the best comparison to all this. Its the equal danger that occured in the manner im describing. Your Hendra Virus is more of a current day comparison. Abestos is more the completed event im accusing of happening again. I know its possible since its aleady happened.
 


Im also posting this again in another thread. Would be nice if NO SPIN, Hawk Dork, owenn sat down watched it and gave a thought about it. Think everyone would respect them if they do that alot more etc and its a great thing to learn if you ask me
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:


Im also posting this again in another thread. Would be nice if NO SPIN, Hawk Dork, owenn sat down watched it and gave a thought about it. Think everyone would respect them if they do that alot more etc and its a great thing to learn if you ask me
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They are profit making businesses. There ultimate goal is making money.
Sure they're good products like bandaids, anti biotics but if you don't think a global conglomerate sued in the past would take advantage of mass panic to sell a potentially dodgy product (and clear of indemnity) they would in a heart beat.
But it's the strangest thing. There is no demand for their product. It's a bust. No one is queuing for vaccines. Laws are needed to coerce people to get them and ensure a nice pay day Pre 2020 this would be collusion and break all sorts of laws.
Also heat needs to be put on doctors and bodies who prescribe this stuff without due care
 
owen87 said:
At least you're admitting it now, well done.
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But this here is precisely the problem in the media, social media and here on BF - you guys are posturing how you are so level headed and we are conspiracy theorists. Yet, all of you simply are incapable of analysing a single thing. You personally may actually be the most pathetic of the lot because your insults are so lame.

No Spin, specialises in finding some obscure way to point out that we/I have over stated some minor point and then engage in infinite regression.
Chief is no different than you, except he is better at executing a put down. Probably helps, that he is the head nutter.
Bourbon and others invent elaborate narratives, attribute them to their opponent by force of rhetoric and then do their own victory lap.
What we have is a parade, a mardi gras of queer verbal effluent.

Let's be frank - you are not well - you are desperately clinging to a set of beliefs that are akin to some suicide cult. A mad cult that is descending and desperately believes in invisible enemies - if it's not viruses, it's climate change, or white supremacists, or toxic masculinity. Lately, you've all become unsure of your own gender. On the one hand, culture determines gender, on the other, culture has nothing to do with it because you need kids to have their breasts or dicks cut-off.

I expect in a few years time, you will be marrying horses and goats. The ensuing custody battles should be a scream or a bray!
 

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yebiga said:
But this here is precisely the problem in the media, social media and here on BF - you guys are posturing how you are so level headed and we are conspiracy theorists. Yet, all of you simply are incapable of analysing a single thing. You personally may actually be the most pathetic of the lot because your insults are so lame.

No Spin, specialises in finding some obscure way to point out that we/I have over stated some minor point and then engage in infinite regression.
Chief is no different than you, except he is better at executing a put down. Probably helps, that he is the head nutter.
Bourbon and others invent elaborate narratives, attribute them to their opponent by force of rhetoric and then do their own victory lap.
What we have is a parade, a mardi gras of queer verbal effluent.

Let's be frank - you are not well - you are desperately clinging to a set of beliefs that are akin to some suicide cult. A mad cult that is descending and desperately believes in invisible enemies - if it's not viruses, it's climate change, or white supremacists, or toxic masculinity. Lately, you've all become unsure of your own gender. On the one hand, culture determines gender, on the other, culture has nothing to do with it because you need kids to have their breasts or dicks cut-off.

I expect in a few years time, you will be marrying horses and goats. The ensuing custody battles should be a scream or a bray!
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Let's recap shall we:

You called me personally pathetic.
You used queer as an insult.
You've called me personally unwell, a member of a suicide cult in fact, therefore using mental health as an insult.
You've assumed a whole heap of political beliefs, that are unrelated, and in many cases, you could go through my entire posting history and not find any evidence of.
Oh, and just to cap it off, you've suggested I'd engage in bestiality.

So, which one of us is level headed, and which one is busy pretending their opinion is fact, that their fantasy is logic, and that can't go without personal attacks?
 
owen87 said:
Let's recap shall we:

You called me personally pathetic.
You used queer as an insult.
You've called me personally unwell, a member of a suicide cult in fact, therefore using mental health as an insult.
You've assumed a whole heap of political beliefs, that are unrelated, and in many cases, you could go through my entire posting history and not find any evidence of.
Oh, and just to cap it off, you've suggested I'd engage in bestiality.

So, which one of us is level headed, and which one is busy pretending their opinion is fact, that their fantasy is logic, and that can't go without personal attacks?
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I've arrived at those judgements after collecting data, arranging it in logical sequence, patiently asked you to assist me, patiently pleaded that you defer judgement, avoid mudslinging - but you refused and behaved consistently like a donkey.

The record of our exchanges is available to all - over the last few pages.

So the insults are perfectly justifiable. If you are willing to step back and have an honest exchange, I will withdraw my conclusion.
Somehow, I doubt that so whilst some of them may not entirely apply to you - they do as a whole apply to the group you have aligned yourself with.
It's in your court or should I say stable?
 
yebiga said:
I've arrived at those judgements after collecting data, arranging it in logical sequence, patiently asked you to assist me, patiently pleaded that you defer judgement, avoid mudslinging - but you refused and behaved consistently like a donkey.

The record of our exchanges is available to all - over the last few pages.

So the insults are perfectly justifiable. If you are willing to step back and have an honest exchange, I will withdraw my conclusion.
Somehow, I doubt that so whilst some of them may not entirely apply to you - they do as a whole apply to the group you have aligned yourself with.
It's in your court or should I say stable?
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Yes, the record of your consistent inability to collect data, arrange it in a logical sequence, or avoid mudslinging is quite clear for all to see.
 
GoEaglesGoSGIO said:
So you trust the trials, you trust the drug, you just dont trust the company that conducted the trial and made the drug?

You are not making much sense
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Feel free to provide direct quotes of mine where I've made any form of definitive statement regarding vaccines.

I'll wait.
 
Run n Spread said:
Apt analogy. The birds in the cage blame those flying outside for keeping them locked up instead of those who had the keys and locked the cage in the first place.
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Yes. Or you could look at it this way. We have our freedom (cage is open), some just fail to see it. If we all exercised it they could not lock us up.

We have common a law right to liberty. Living your life when you are healthy is not breaking any laws. The ones who are breaking laws are Dictator Dan and his cohorts by curtailing our liberty. One day he will pay (legally, before anyone takes that the wrong way).
 
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