Health Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 4

[Gralin]

I'd imagine they would be looking at SA/Vic open borders strongly. Wouldn't be surprised if they said no.

We don't have an open border with SA

 

[Over The Post]

And as a Vicbloodytorian, can I just say that I welcome the opportunity for some dropkicks to go interstate and bring the bug back with them to cause a third wave here.

We have it: Trump-like walls around Victoria
Other states have it: yeah nah we're all good

 

[Orange Agent]

So where is "Covid Normal" or are we not doing it anymore and Andrews quietly moved the goal-posts for the umpteenth time.

The dates they attached to each step were part of it. It wasn't whichever came first.

 

[Over The Post]

Unbelievably bloody stupid were the words I believe you were looking for.

 

[RobbieGray17]

Went to the bookstore today to get some books for my boy and there were 50 people in there. Only 3 wearing masks. I haven't been wearing them outdoors, or at the supermarket when I get there late in the evening where there are only 5-10 people in the store. I'm surprised that so few are wearing masks in areas where social distancing is difficult. These are the things we need to do to reduce likelihood of transmission. We didn't think there would be a hotel outbreak, but had we not been so complacent, the pizza store, and high school may never have happened.

 

[RobbieGray17]

South Australia defeats 'Second Wave' within days showing Daniel Andrews what true leadership looks like

I took the time to listen to Dan yesterday and he's very well spoken. I haven't always agreed with him but he was getting absolutely ripped into by that guy from the liberal party and responded very well. I think we all forget just how unprecedented all of this is and that not one single country in the world was adequately prepared for this.

IIRC Marshall hasn't really had to do much. Adelaide is a much different landscape to Melbourne.

 

[RobbieGray17]

NZ's economy fell by 12% double Australia's.

Update: I think I should mention that it is 2020 first half GDP

7% vs 12% Scomo is clearly proud of that stating that our less agressive stance on Covid has resulted in a more resilient economy. I don't think the numbers lie. I've said it all along that hard lockdowns will hurt for a long time.

COVID-19 sees record 12.2 percent fall in New Zealand’s economy | Stats NZ

Gross domestic product (GDP) fell by 12.2 percent in the June 2020 quarter, the largest quarterly fall recorded since the current series began in 1987, as the COVID-19 restrictions in place through the quarter impacted economic activity.

www.stats.govt.nz

Measures to contain COVID-19 have led to historically large falls in GDP in many parts of the world, with countries’ results reflecting the nature and timing of their responses, and the structure of their economies. For example, New Zealand’s result compares to falls of 7.0 percent in Australia, 11.5 percent in Canada, 7.9 percent in Japan, 20.4 percent in the United Kingdom, and 9.1 percent in the United States. [Quote/]

 

[toxic]

 

[Over The Post]

Not that I'm blowing my own trumpet here - I'm too fat to reach anyway - but in Feb I got my family taking vitamin D and was discussing it here in March.

The UK has just announced it is supplying free daily vitamin D pills to 2.5 million people...

Contactless tributes* to my perspicacity can be left at my door.



* dog s**t in a flaming envelope is not a tribute

 

[Forward Press]

NZ's economy fell by 12% double Australia's.

Update: I think I should mention that it is 2020 first half GDP

7% vs 12% Scomo is clearly proud of that stating that our less agressive stance on Covid has resulted in a more resilient economy. I don't think the numbers lie. I've said it all along that hard lockdowns will hurt for a long time.

COVID-19 sees record 12.2 percent fall in New Zealand’s economy | Stats NZ

Gross domestic product (GDP) fell by 12.2 percent in the June 2020 quarter, the largest quarterly fall recorded since the current series began in 1987, as the COVID-19 restrictions in place through the quarter impacted economic activity.

www.stats.govt.nz

1. I'd wait until end of 2020 figures to make a more firm conclusion
2. NZ's economy is more reliant on tourism than we are - that would explain the crushing blow at first
3. Our stance is aggressive compared to the other countries you mentioned (apart from NZ) - I'd argue our border closures and individual states choosing to go hard has resulted in a softer impact on the Australian economy as COVID is virtually non-existent here (touch wood)
4. From what I've seen and read the NZ economy is ticking along quite nicely at the moment

 

[Rotayjay]

So someone breached their quarantine requirements and went gallavanting around to several shops in Adelaide. Absolute selfishness, and surely they should face a hefty fine at least. Campaigner.

 

[Orange Agent]

So someone breached their quarantine requirements and went gallavanting around to several shops in Adelaide. Absolute selfishness, and surely they should face a hefty fine at least. Campaigner.

This is what got Melb to 700 per day. People cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Home quarantine does not work, they need to be locked up in a hotel room.

 

[Over The Post]

Hotel rooms have proved to be as watertight as a sieve.

This campaigner needs the detention centre treatment.

South Australians urged to get tested after COVID-positive patient breaks quarantine

SA Health is urging a wide group of people to get tested for coronavirus after revealing a man with COVID-19 broke his quarantine period to visit several Adelaide locations.

www.abc.net.au

 

[RobbieGray17]

So someone breached their quarantine requirements and went gallavanting around to several shops in Adelaide. Absolute selfishness, and surely they should face a hefty fine at least. Campaigner.

Yeah, and not one shop that I went to. Now I have to go to work

 

[craigos]

Security shagging again?

Might be time for a career change.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

This is what got Melb to 700 per day. People cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Home quarantine does not work, they need to be locked up in a hotel room.

It's why Melbourne opening itself back up to international arrivals is a worry. We can trust neither the returnees nor the employees to do the right thing. I'm sure most will, but there's always the chance that there'll be that one that will say, "* it, I'm going to go drive an Uber after this" or "I can't stand staying in this hotel for two weeks - I'm running away", and it only takes one dickhead or one careless individual to see it spread throughout the community again.

Shouldn't even be inner-city hotel quarantine. Should all be shipped off to buildings in remote areas for the two weeks. At least then if they breach quarantine they can't spread it too far.

 

[Forward Press]

It's why Melbourne opening itself back up to international arrivals is a worry. We can trust neither the returnees nor the employees to do the right thing. I'm sure most will, but there's always the chance that there'll be that one that will say, "fu** it, I'm going to go drive an Uber after this" or "I can't stand staying in this hotel for two weeks - I'm running away", and it only takes one dickhead or one careless individual to see it spread throughout the community again.

Shouldn't even be inner-city hotel quarantine. Should all be shipped off to buildings in remote areas for the two weeks. At least then if they breach quarantine they can't spread it too far.

It's the logical solution so I think if it hasn't been done, it must be for economic or logistical reasons. Considering the economic and social damage of community spread, though - surely this is a few million dollars we can afford to spare? Maybe it's too hard to send the thousands per week to remote facilities - no suitable quarantine facilities, lack of appropriate staffing, difficulties in supply? I don't know, maybe...

 

[Rob R]

So someone breached their quarantine requirements and went gallavanting around to several shops in Adelaide. Absolute selfishness, and surely they should face a hefty fine at least. Campaigner.

Time to stop stuffing around with slaps on wrists, ten years for reckless endangerment sounds about right.

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[Orange Agent]

Hotel rooms have proved to be as watertight as a sieve.

This campaigner needs the detention centre treatment.

South Australians urged to get tested after COVID-positive patient breaks quarantine

SA Health is urging a wide group of people to get tested for coronavirus after revealing a man with COVID-19 broke his quarantine period to visit several Adelaide locations.

www.abc.net.au

Sydney and Qld hotel quarantine has not been a problem.

 

[Orange Agent]

It's why Melbourne opening itself back up to international arrivals is a worry. We can trust neither the returnees nor the employees to do the right thing. I'm sure most will, but there's always the chance that there'll be that one that will say, "fu** it, I'm going to go drive an Uber after this" or "I can't stand staying in this hotel for two weeks - I'm running away", and it only takes one dickhead or one careless individual to see it spread throughout the community again.

Shouldn't even be inner-city hotel quarantine. Should all be shipped off to buildings in remote areas for the two weeks. At least then if they breach quarantine they can't spread it too far.

Somewhere like Hamilton Island that has a decent air strip to get people in and out, have the staff do FIFO like work blocks only working with the same intake of guests, then rinse and repeat.

 

[Gralin]

Sydney and Qld hotel quarantine has not been a problem.

Incorrect. You just haven't had big outbreaks from breaches.
Same with WA and NZ
Everywhere has had problems with hotel quarantine.

Mainly because hotels are not designed to be medical quarantine facilities

 

[RobbieGray17]

Its sad that some people ruin it for everyone. We should be able to trust people to self isolate.

Bring in tough new sentencing powers for offenders, or use tech to ensure people are in fact isolating. Otherwise it's quarantine.

 

[craigos]

Fascinating in the media that it's gone from blame Daniel Andrews for everything to you can't trust people to do the right thing.

 

[Rotayjay]

I would be amenable to a 'covid jail' for people who test positive.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

So someone breached their quarantine requirements and went gallavanting around to several shops in Adelaide. Absolute selfishness, and surely they should face a hefty fine at least. Campaigner.

This is what got Melb to 700 per day. People cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Home quarantine does not work, they need to be locked up in a hotel room.

Why is it that whenever there's someone who's tested positive, they always seem to go on an absolute bender? I go out most weekends (and work during the week) but I'd never venture from Boost Juice to Mexican in half an hour, and then go from Norwood (east) to Kurralta Park (south-west) in the same hour. It almost sounds suspicious.