Coronavirus 2020 / Worldwide (Stats live update in OP) Part 7: This Thread is for Reasonable ON TOPIC Discussion

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In the peak fortnight of the outbreak to date (25 August to 7 September), the COVID-19 case rate among 2-dose vaccinated people was 49.5 per 100,000 while in unvaccinated people it was 561 per 100,000, a more than 10-fold difference. The rates of COVID-19 ICU admissions or deaths peaked in the fortnight 8 September to 21 September at 0.9 per 100,000 in 2-dose vaccinated people compared to 15.6 per 100,000 in unvaccinated people, a greater than 16-fold difference.
 
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Spitty_the_alpaca said:
My immune system is tip top and I'm not a fat bastard so I'll be all good, never spent a day in hospital in all my life.
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Fellow anti vaxer Duran Raman, 36, says hi from his hospital bed on the Gold Coast


“He is on high-flow oxygen and he will probably need to go into intensive care.

“That is terrible. He is a very young, fit man who was not vaccinated and he is now extremely sick.”



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BRITS have been told to get their booster jab if they want to go on holiday abroad next summer.


Care minister Gillian Keegan said the definition of fully vaccinated will be changed to include the third dose.
 

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Hawk Dork said:
Fellow anti vaxer Duran Raman, 36, says hi from his hospital bed on the Gold Coast


“He is on high-flow oxygen and he will probably need to go into intensive care.

“That is terrible. He is a very young, fit man who was not vaccinated and he is now extremely sick.”



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Looks like he's been on the gear.
 
Hawk Dork said:
BRITS have been told to get their booster jab if they want to go on holiday abroad next summer.


Care minister Gillian Keegan said the definition of fully vaccinated will be changed to include the third dose.
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2 boosters a year for the rest of there lives, the governments around the world are the biggest drug cartels in history.
 
Spitty_the_alpaca said:
2 boosters a year for the rest of there lives, the governments around the world are the biggest drug cartels in history.
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No one is saying 2 boosters a year
Might be 3 is enough as we keep getting it mildly or it might be 1 every winter

The alternative is no jab and hope the hospitals have a bed for you and hope you get out as good as you went in (if you get in)
 
Hawk Dork said:
No one is saying 2 boosters a year
Might be 3 is enough as we keep getting it mildly or it might be 1 every winter

The alternative is no jab and hope the hospitals have a bed for you and hope you get out as good as you went in (if you get in)
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Just 2 weeks to flatten the curve :D
 

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JackOutback said:
let's not pretend it was a deliberate strategy
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nobody is claiming anything of the sort

aside from locking down a few days late there was nothing much wrong with NSW’s strategy, and if you think a different approach would have made a substantial difference then you clearly haven’t been watching what’s happening in Melbourne

this is just the way of the world, living with it was always where we were going to end up
 
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Caesar said:
nobody is claiming anything of the sort

aside from locking down a few days late there was nothing much wrong with NSW’s strategy, and if you think a different approach would have made a substantial difference then you clearly haven’t been watching what’s happening in Melbourne

this is just the way of the world, living with it was always where we were going to end up
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That argument ignores the fact that when cases are low delta has been run down in Australia

Both sides ignore the luck factor
Caesar said:
nobody is claiming anything of the sort

aside from locking down a few days late there was nothing much wrong with NSW’s strategy, and if you think a different approach would have made a substantial difference then you clearly haven’t been watching what’s happening in Melbourne

this is just the way of the world, living with it was always where we were going to end up
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I think both sides of that argument ignore the kuck factor.

Like yes you need luck to avoid delta getting out of control. But suggesting that because Melbourne locking down didn't stop it is ignoring that every state has had incursions but not all have Delta currently.

There is no guarantee that locking down earlier would have stopped it but they didn't even try and that's what pisses everyone else off.
 
Gralin said:
Like yes you need luck to avoid delta getting out of control. But suggesting that because Melbourne locking down didn't stop it is ignoring that every state has had incursions but not all have Delta currently.
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Melbourne is the only comparable example in Australia to Sydney on account of the rest being oversized country towns
 
Caesar said:
Melbourne is the only comparable example in Australia to Sydney on account of the rest being oversized country towns
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Yeah I get you don't want to admit that your government didn't do their best

Reality is they didn't. Doesn't mean any other government did.

Yes Melbourne and Sydney are at a disadvantage but Canberra is in it as well

So far everywhere esle hasn't had the bad luck required for it to explode under their conditions

NSW may never have been able to chase it down, but we will never know because they delayed massively in trying via lockdown.

Like they looked at the rest of the world, scoffed and went we can deal with it without closing. If you can't admit that was a s**t idea you're too invested in the idea of state pride
 
And I'm writing that as someone who thinks Melbourne has suffered through a combination of sheer incompetence, arrogance, stubbornness and flat out cheapness to go with bad luck and probably having close to idea conditions in this country for it to go bad.

We needed better health department and government given everything else and we didn't have it and still don't
 
Gralin said:
Which would be ignoring that federal funding of health has been steadily declining

If states had been fighting this over the last 10 years the feds wouldn't be able to pull this sh*t
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Isn't health care a state responsibility?

State and territory governments are responsible for funding and managing public hospitals, regulating and licensing private hospitals, providing oversight of local health networks, delivering public community-based and primary health services, delivering preventive services such as cancer screening and immunisation programs, ambulance services and health complaints services.
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The current problems in WA are a result of hospital staffing levels being too low due to lack of funds, particularly around grad programs meaning they can't operate as many beds.
 
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