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Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #3: Vaccines
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Especially when it doesn't seem to make any difference - quarantine, lockdowns continue for everyone. Fully vaccinated people can't see their relatives/babies in hospital.
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We have no chance of seeing what it's going to look like until most of us have had the vaccine. Sooner the better imo because the longer it takes, the harder it's going to be to take our liberties back.
CP3 in the NBA has been vaccinated yet tested positive and has to isolate, missing important playoff games. Why TF are we getting vaccinated again? Seems to achieve absolutely nothing other than scoring wokie points
LOL. Bit late for this!
16 months ago, "its just a few weeks to flatten the curve". We're worse off now than we were then! Constant probationary period between restrictions
Yeah, better be quick to do as they say. They definitely have a plan and stick to it...
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Hilarious ... anybody got a plan? Have any of you been arrested yet?
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Ok, I understand your reasoning and that is certainly the carrot being dangled from on high if we want out of this, but consider the actual statistically verifiable, scientifically endorsed and approved data. We're talking an avg mortality age which is higher than the avg life expectancy age. Do you think that that info is significant? Is it not unreasonable to take that in to account when making a decision on whether or not to roll up the sleeve? I think a lot of people have done exactly that(and other factors eg expedited trials) so it's going to be a hard sell reaching the magic %, imo.
As I said earlier, I'm not worried about anything untoward going on with the vaccines, but for the life of me I cannot work out why we don't just vaccinate the vulnerable and give everyone else the option. As for the polio/smallpox line that gets trotted out regularly, I am betting dollars to doughnuts that the average mortality age for both was a hell of a lot lower than the average life expectancy age. Does this mean I don't care about the elderly? Not at all, but we need to look at this holistically, taking in to account all factors(impacts of lockdowns etc).
The reality is that this virus - while still serious for a very small minority - is nowhere near as bad as we first thought. For most it's quite benign and not an issue. In the UK, COVID is not even on their most deadly virus list! It's not viewed as high risk(or was last time I checked).
A question for you - if the messaging was not "the only way out of this is for everyone to get vaccinated", would you still have got your vaccination? Put another way - are you worried about the virus itself or 'doing the rightie/taking one for the team'? Remembering the actual statistics about who is getting sick and perishing(not case numbers which are frankly farcical given the amount of asymptomatic/mild confirmed cases and the horribly not fit for purpose PCR tests).
I would have still taken it for sure. Seen enough of Covid to not want it. Not scared of death, but if I can protect myself against the possibility of catching something so easily I’ll do it. Same reason I get the flu shot.
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What’s going on with the 4 dead BA pilots?
And now UA pilots don’t have to take the vaccine anymore.
And now UA pilots don’t have to take the vaccine anymore.
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I read the post you directed me to, and we are on the same page except for this. Right fromthe start we were told the vaccine was safe, any talk of adverse reactions was censored, and the reports were written off as a coincidence. Lots of "there is no evidence to link these to the vaccine". When they couldn't be ignored any longer they became "extremely rare". The media now has had to drop the "extremely" from it, they are just "rare" now. How long before it becomes "uncommon", and after that Fauci is going to be on tv telling everyone that the risks were known from the start.
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High altitude is a risk factor for blood clots. Perhaps the adverse effects of the vaccine are being magnified by other factors like altitude and sitting still for a long time.
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You seem to be suggesting Australia can do it differently to everybody else over the world and get away with it? I don't think we can. We can't even get the other states to relax a bit at the borders.
Yeh, I would have got the shot firstly because while I'm quite fit I'm immuno compromised and secondly, I have elderly relatives that if I can protect I will. In my seasonal work, I'm mingling with a lot of people. I've also had the REAL flu, if this virus is worse than that and I'm pretty sure it can be I'd rather not do it again if I can avoid it.
I'm not convinced there's as many asymptomatic or 'not sick!' people out there as claimed either. We've all felt like crapp and carried on as usual, some more likely to because nobody enjoys getting sticks shoved up their noses and having to do two weeks iso/quarantine. A lot of these asymptomatics are being caught up in mandatory testing as contacts and they're going to be a bit defensive when they test positive "Oh, but I felt great! I haven't even had a headache. I'm so shocked to be testing positive!"
We've seen quite a few prominent people catch it and it hit them hard, with the best treatment us plebs can't access it still flattened them. Peter Dutton disappeared for well over a month and when he did come back, he was trying hard to make it look like he wasn't still struggling for air.
I don't think I'm smarter than the doctors I've spoken to about this virus or my specialist either. Personally, I couldn't care less who gets the shot and who doesn't and if and when I decide I really can't do another Melbourne winter in rolling lockdowns, I can be out of here in under two hours.
Nothing is going to change in the way this thing is managed.
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The pill for young women also increases risk of blood clots, that could have factored in with the deaths of some after the vaccine
Altitude creates inflammation, higher radiation levels also have an impact. I covered this in studies in Amsterdam revolving around athletes and inflammatory reactions covering the disadvantages of air travel and ways to decrease the impact.
Your on the right path, it's the inflammatory response at higher altitude.
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It would be interesting to see in depth analysis of adverse effects and all surrounding risk factors like the pill. It would help people make an informed choice. I won't hold my breath for it ever happening though.
This is a fair point. I know enough people in the field and have used medical services enough to not think they’re out to get us. Ultimately I do trust our health system.
Alberta just announced that all Covid restrictions will be gone on 1 July. State of emergency lifted. No limits on weddings, funerals, sports etc. No advisories against non-essential travel. Calgary Stampede and other events set to go ahead.
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I think news.com.au ran their first ever credible news story of all time
www.news.com.au
Covid-19 lab leak evidence ‘overwhelming’
There is now “overwhelming” evidence that Covid-19 was created in a Wuhan lab, according top scientists, who say the chance that SARS-CoV-2 emerged naturally in animals in China is “one in a million”.
www.news.com.au
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I reckon a few of our friends that have been posting here regularly that believe the official covid narrative are in this pro vaccine musical.
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I’m sure many people will be inspired to make a medical decision by this picture of health.
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Alberta had more cases today with 150 then Victoria has had all year in 120 so nice for you but not a reality we can live in
I’m not in Alberta but hopefully we’re not far behind. Hopefully the ‘zero cases’ thing would be pressured to end if the rest of the world is moving on.
A lot had to do with vaccination rates. They passed that 70% mark they were aiming for. Aussie government will need to set a goal you’d think.
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What are your thoughts on the actual data? Are you taking that in to account when assessing the actual risk(risk as in globally, not personally)? Would you agree that the risk is really very low for the vast majority? And given that the risk is very low for the vast majority would you agree that the notion that everyone needs to be vaccinated in order for us to move forward is a bit(read: monumentally) stupid? Not having a go, just curious if you have taken it in to account and to hear your thoughts.
Re your own choice ~ sounds to me like you've made an informed decision - you researched heavily, consulted your doctor and then you made an informed decision. Nothing wrong with that at all(and I'm sure you'll be fine). That's how it should be - vaccinate the vulnerable, those who want them and give everyone else the choice(IMO). Then, after a designated window of opportunity, rip the band aid off, dab away the mercurochrome and then we quit piss-farting around and open up - no apps, no vax passports, resume normal programming(of course that will never happen). Think yearly flu shots - there are no mandates requiring everyone to get them, it's all about personal agency which is exactly how it should be.
Re Australia doing it differently and getting away with it(we already kind of do do that with our ridiculous zero COVID strategy) ~ no, that's obviously not going to be possible given that when we open up it would mean isolating ourselves from the rest of the planet. I am talking big picture - both nationally and globally.
Assuming nations want to participate in any meaningful way on the world stage, well, continuity is obviously going to be needed to do so. Although that will no doubt also create a lot of issues with some nations accepting one vaccine and not the other. Heck, it's already happening now with different venues and events in the same country(lol). Said continuity is going to be an absolute cluster*(at least the va$$ine companies will make their fat stax though).
I agree that nothing is going to change in the way this thing is managed. However, I don't see it being an effective strategy(yes, I am a layman, not an expert, just another net hero with an opinion). This virus, just like the flu, is endemic, it isn't going away, it's here to stay(individuals will be reading this right now and will be choking with apoplectic rage - how dare he say flu-like!). It is going to continually mutate. The different variants are going to mean less and less efficacy of the vaccines.
Remembering also that the flu vaccine requires yearly booster shots due to the vaccine efficacy diminishing over a relatively short period of time + variant strains and also that it's only been a short actual 'live' period from when the COVID vaccines were rolled out. There is speculation that certain vaccines may confer lifelong immunity but how can we possibly know that when we're still seeing different variants and a relatively small time frame in which to assess? From what we are seeing, it seems likely that it will be the same as with the flu vaccines, but again, we can't really know that yet either.
Hypothetical - what happens up there in the top half of the planet when their winter season rolls around again. Most of the population is going to need another shot or potentially a different vaccine(those pesky variants) because it would have been months since the last shot for most. I am tipping that what is going to happen is just like last year - and in any flu year - the cases will taper off in the warmer months and then there'll be an upswing in case numbers in the winter months and it will be rinse and repeat because this thing is endemic, it ain't going away.
Ok, that was a long post, apologies. If you've made it this far, congrats. Thanks for playing. Btw, I respect that you don't mind wading in against the tide(on this board) and don't abuse your mod status(at least from what I've seen, anyway) - not that common on this website so well done to you.
tl;dr - the strategy of 'we aren't getting out of this until everyone is vaccinated' is great on paper, but in actuality - and in the context of the circus that has played out thus far - is highly flawed and will not be a success. The only way out of this is vaccinate those who want them and then after a designated window, all systems go.
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