Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #5: We're in this together!

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

For those working in it, they have to deal with what they've got.

Rubbish

This isnt a we tried and we cant do any better. They have not tried and they can do better

 

[Harry_Harroldson]

Why lie about your original username? What were you banned for goaldrush?

WTF is goaldrush

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Nah, i don't think they ever said that but some of us might have made that assumption. Do you have a source? Hold the sauce.

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

Fauci at the senate hearing

"We don't really know what that magical point of herd immunity is, but we do know that if we get the overwhelming population vaccinated, we're going to be in good shape,” Fauci said Thursday during a hearing of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. “We ultimately would like to get and have to get children into that mix.”

 

[Harry_Harroldson]

@goaldrush

Stop trolling him chiefy

 

[Harry_Harroldson]

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[Kwality]

Once the prevailing, completely arbitrary, premium deluxe, double dosed vax % of the moment is reached and we(as in all of AU) start opening up, it's going to be interesting observing the game of mental twister the authoritarian loons go through to justify how 6 months+ of immunity has withered away like a cheap candle from a $2 store into the barest flicker. Oh well, I suppose a little bit of 'protection' is better than none at all. Least the va$$ine companies got to make an absolute mozza, though.

(remember when they said the vax was going to be long-term/even lifelong immunity? 85 boosters later...)

But seriously, I think this notion that anyone vaxxed is going to be protected and anyone not is going to be up sh*t creek is quite flawed in light of the data coming through from the Northern Hemisphere about waning efficacy + our lack of preparedness with regard to booster(lol) shots.

IMO, a lot of this '%' palaver is more about the govt(not just here in AU), who are just staggeringly incompetent and useless and have NFI what they're doing(just making it up as they go), setting a target to enable them to extract themselves from the - without a shadow of a doubt - most monumental utensil-up in the history of utensil-ups.

The efficacy issue was known before Australia had its first jab & is on going. We are effectively the trial.
Any idea of certainty is not well informed.

As for monumental utensil ups, closing our international borders was one decision that minimised the spread.

 

[Kurve]

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

Fauci at the senate hearing

This is what I was responding to:

(remember when they said the vax was going to be long-term/even lifelong immunity? 85 boosters later...)

So how is your post relevant when I asked for the link where it was suggested the vax would provide that?

 

[Kwality]

Like Deni Varnhagen?

Who ? Why?

Stand outside an ED & try to have a chat with someone finishing a shift in PPE.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This is what I was responding to:

(remember when they said the vax was going to be long-term/even lifelong immunity? 85 boosters later...)

So how is your post relevant when I asked for the link where it was suggested the vax would provide that?

What is herd immunity if it isnt long term?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Who ? Why?

Stand outside an ED & try to have a chat with someone finishing a shift in PPE.

Celebrity nurse in south Australia I think. She has worked in Intensive care units

 

[Kurve]

What is herd immunity if it isnt long term?

Derailing.

 

[Kwality]

Rubbish

This isnt a we tried and we cant do any better. They have not tried and they can do better

The people working in an ED dont have the luxury of picking & choosing. They are already doing their best with what they have got.

 

[Kwality]

Celebrity nurse in south Australia I think. She has worked in Intensive care units

Had they just completed a shift in PPE - thats what is physically different with covid.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The people working in an ED dont have the luxury of picking & choosing. They are already doing their best with what they have got.

And they do a astoundingly good job. Its crazy even.

Why Dan and co cant respect them and give them the resources they deserve is beyond me. The same guy who promised resources and then didnt deliver is to blame, not anyone or anything else

 

[Kwality]

And they do a astoundingly good job. Its crazy even.

Why Dan and co cant respect them and give them the resources they deserve is beyond me. The same guy who promised resources and then didnt deliver is to blame, not anyone or anything else

We cant even train enough nurses let alone upskill them. As you pointed out earlier this a problem Australia wide. 24/7 rosters are not to the liking of some graduates preferring a social life.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Had they just completed a shift in PPE - thats what is physically different with covid.

I used to be in a isolaton ward where nurses would work in PPE

The difference between the 2 situations is 1 dept was resourced adequately and they were able to appropriately handle it. THe issue exists when those people complete the entire shift in PPE because they are not resourced well enough to handle it better.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We cant even train enough nurses let alone upskill them. As you pointed out earlier this a problem Australia wide. 24/7 rosters is not to the liking of some graduates preferring a social life.

Its just not true. This is the lie everyone keeps believing. It is grossly wrong. Mao McGowan was sacking nursing staff not 6 months ago when he cut funding from the private sector so he can build a choo choo train.

Victoria has thousands of unemployed nurses ready for deployment. We do lack specialist nurses for example but as a example W.A have organised to hire hundreds of nurses from South Africa who are trained and ready to deploy and Mao refused to employ them, overrulling the health advice provided by the W.A governing bodies. He finally relented and has allowed half of them in but that was a 18 month battle to get there. He has still left 125 trained staff in South Africa doing nothing because he cant feel bothered following the health advice

 

[Kwality]

I used to be in a isolaton ward where nurses would work in PPE

The difference between the 2 situations is 1 dept was resourced adequately and they were able to appropriately handle it. THe issue exists when those people complete the entire shift in PPE because they are not resourced well enough to handle it better.

Technically correct but its a real world problem being lived with.
Pointing out the imperfections does nothing for those already rostered, its someone elses fault doesnt diminish the task ahead, going on to 2 years ... my daughter worked 6 days last week, no 8 hour shifts. That is everyone, nothing special.

 

[Chief]

Stop trolling him chiefy

What's the significance of the upside down reversed flag?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Technically correct but its a real world problem being lived with.
Pointing out the imperfections does nothing for those already rostered, its someone elses fault doesnt diminish the task ahead, going on to 2 years ... my daughter worked 6 days last week, no 8 hour shifts. That is everyone, nothing special.

Ignoring the imperfections and blaming those walking in the street without a needle diminishes the problem at hand and shifts the focus and blame onto something that cannot resolve the core issues

The issue you have with you daughters setup is she is turning a standalone ward into a isolation ward when the government should simply build the appropriate facilities for her to work in. If she worked in the proper ward setups she would be a thousand times more comfortable. I was surrounded by people in full PPE and none of them had issues as the ward was set up to make it work.

 

[Kwality]

Its just not true. This is the lie everyone keeps believing. It is grossly wrong. Mao McGowan was sacking nursing staff not 6 months ago when he cut funding from the private sector so he can build a choo choo train.

Victoria has thousands of unemployed nurses ready for deployment. We do lack specialist nurses for example but as a example W.A have organised to hire hundreds of nurses from South Africa who are trained and ready to deploy and Mao refused to employ them, overrulling the health advice provided by the W.A governing bodies. He finally relented and has allowed half of them in but that was a 18 month battle to get there. He has still left 125 trained staff in South Africa doing nothing because he cant feel bothered following the health advice

I would beg to differ. Graduating from Uni does not equal a trained nurse. Grad programs are oversubscribed here in Victoria.

Plan to bring thousands of nurses and doctors into ‘Fortress Australia’

Some 2000 medical workers will be brought into Australia to help alleviate pressure on the healthcare system.

www.smh.com.au

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I would beg to differ. Graduating from Uni does not equal a trained nurse. Grad programs are oversubscribed here in Victoria.

Plan to bring thousands of nurses and doctors into ‘Fortress Australia’

Some 2000 medical workers will be brought into Australia to help alleviate pressure on the healthcare system.

www.smh.com.au

The issue isnt the qualifications or training, its the working conditions and pay.

If they paid well and worked in better conditions then they wouldnt have to bring thousands of lower paid nurses to protect Fortress Australia.

Sadly alot of graduates choose not work in the industry. Perhaps Dan should listen to why and convince them to use there qualifications instead of blaming everyone else and dogging the issue

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Hey you know different countries tally Covid deaths in different ways, yeah? And that this is not a secret. Yeah? And that excess deaths largely confirm Covid numbers. Yeah?

But you see a screen grab posted on Twitter and your mind is blown.

As i've tried to make the point to these people many times, people with known co-morbidities of covid wouldn't be spending their final days of life on a ventilator if they didn't have covid.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

As i've tried to make the point to these people many times, people with known co-morbidities of covid wouldn't be spending their final days of life on a ventilator if they didn't have covid.

Whats with your ventilator obsession? When you do die, it will be the least of your concern. Trust me on that one

 

[Kwality]

Ignoring the imperfections and blaming those walking in the street without a needle diminishes the problem at hand and shifts the focus and blame onto something that cannot resolve the core issues

The issue you have with you daughters setup is she is turning a standalone ward into a isolation ward when the government should simply build the appropriate facilities for her to work in. If she worked in the proper ward setups she would be a thousand times more comfortable. I was surrounded by people in full PPE and none of them had issues as the ward was set up to make it work.

The ED is bursting outside the physical constraints of the building & that is true across EDs in greater Melbourne. Its the physical requirements of PPE that she finds testing but its doesnt stop anyone doing whatever is necessary, nor does it slow the building program.
I'm sure you are right that the buildings arent perfect, but thats the real world of covid in Melbourne. In WA, there is not the same issue & hopefully the push to open up wont test your hospitals & their staff.