News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread II

[Zondor]

What a crock. This lockdown is a complete farce. We'd be far better off following the Swedish approach for me. Can't believe the bedwetting and hysteria over 20 deaths. 40k deaths a year in Victoria, Covid only .2 % of total deaths.

Isn’t that because the measures implemented have resulted in minimal deaths from Covid? It’s a different story Overseas. :stern look

 

[kaboom kid]

Isn’t that because the measures implemented have resulted in minimal deaths from Covid? It’s a different story Overseas. :stern look

It's a good point Zondor.... we've certainly outperformed most countries on that score. However we've had very few people exposed to the virus and we've trashed our economy. Plus the lockdown will result in
Increased deaths from other causes eg delayed cancer treatment and elective surgeries plus patients dying of COPD in ambulances because they're not allowed to enter hospitals. Sweden on the other hand have reached threshold herd immunity and the virus will just fizzle out there now. Sure they've had a lot of deaths related to Covid but who knows how long those people would have lasted anyway. Plenty of people dying before Covid came along. In Australia we're nowhere near herd immunity so these flare ups will just keep happening with a surfeit of susceptible hosts for the virus.. Better off ripping off the band aid I reckon.

 

[Sillygit]

What a crock. This lockdown is a complete farce. We'd be far better off following the Swedish approach for me. Can't believe the bedwetting and hysteria over 20 deaths. 40k deaths a year in Victoria, Covid only .2 % of total deaths.

If we had similar results to sweden based on population we'd be at 12k deaths.

 

[kaboom kid]

If we had similar results to sweden based on population we'd be at 12k deaths.

Is that Victoria or Australia?

 

[year of the roo]

It's a good point Zondor.... we've certainly outperformed most countries on that score. However we've had very few people exposed to the virus and we've trashed our economy. Plus the lockdown will result in
Increased deaths from other causes eg delayed cancer treatment and elective surgeries plus patients dying of COPD in ambulances because they're not allowed to enter hospitals. Sweden on the other hand have reached threshold herd immunity and the virus will just fizzle out there now. Sure they've had a lot of deaths related to Covid but who knows how long those people would have lasted anyway. Plenty of people dying before Covid came along. In Australia we're nowhere near herd immunity so these flare ups will just keep happening with a surfeit of susceptible hosts for the virus.. Better off ripping off the band aid I reckon.

So I take it you're volunteering to contract it ASAP to speed up the process?

 

[kaboom kid]

If we had similar results to sweden based on population we'd be at 12k deaths.

Sweden has had 5400 Vovid 19 deaths. They have on average 90k deaths per year. Still only 7.5%. Bear in mind that Covid targets the weak so many of those people that died of Covid would quite possible died that year anyway with no Covid. Influenza, ey .. Moving forward they will have hardly any deaths because they're reached threshold herd immunity and their death rate has plummeted exactly like it has in Italy. So they've taken their medicine. Its over for them now.

 

[kaboom kid]

So I take it you're volunteering to contract it ASAP to speed up the process?

It's my civic duty. I've moved to Broadmeadows. I'm doing my bit. Are you?

 

[year of the roo]

If we had similar results to sweden based on population we'd be at 12k deaths.

12K? Tis but a scratch for KK.

 

[year of the roo]

It's my civic duty. I've moved to Broadmeadows. I'm doing my bit. Are you?

Nah I'm one of those weirdos who is trying not to die.

 

[Tectonic]

What a crock. This lockdown is a complete farce. We'd be far better off following the Swedish approach for me. Can't believe the bedwetting and hysteria over 20 deaths. 40k deaths a year in Victoria, Covid only .2 % of total deaths.

Have you thought that perhaps the reason there has only been 20 deaths in vic is because we contained the virus? Not to mention the fact that Sweden wishes they did things differently.

Architect of Sweden's coronavirus strategy regrets not imposing tougher lockdown

Anders Tegnell admitted there is 'room for improvement' in nation's approach to handling virus pandemic

www.telegraph.co.uk

Here's their trend- I'm not sure your calls of a plateau are yet justified:



Here's a decent flu season in Sweden for comparison:

Influenza in Sweden – Season 2018–2019 — Folkhälsomyndigheten

This report describes the monitoring systems for influenza in use during the winter season of 2018–2019 and the results of both epidemiological and virological surveillance. Data are also compared to previous influenza seasons.

www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se

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I'm not going to touch the "they were gonna die anyway" angle but I am going to ask you
How much do you love your mum?

 

[kaboom kid]

Have you thought that perhaps the reason there has only been 20 deaths in vic is because we contained the virus? Not to mention the fact that Sweden wishes they did things differently.

Architect of Sweden's coronavirus strategy regrets not imposing tougher lockdown

Anders Tegnell admitted there is 'room for improvement' in nation's approach to handling virus pandemic

www.telegraph.co.uk

Here's their trend- I'm not sure your calls of a plateau are yet justified:
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Here's a decent flu season in Sweden for comparison:
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Influenza in Sweden – Season 2018–2019 — Folkhälsomyndigheten

This report describes the monitoring systems for influenza in use during the winter season of 2018–2019 and the results of both epidemiological and virological surveillance. Data are also compared to previous influenza seasons.

www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se

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I'm not going to touch the "they were gonna die anyway" angle but I am going to ask you
How much do you love your mum?

I do love my Mum. I'm in favour of protecting high risk groups like the elderly and those on chemo or immunosupressed, which is what the Swedes advocated. Those people can breathe a little easier now in Sweden. Have a look at the graph for deaths not new cases for Sweden Cases are going up everywhere because everywhere is testing loads more plus the virus is highly contagious. However deaths are plummeting even in the US. Look at the death curve for NYC. Swedish grandmothers only had to be stressed for 3 months. It will go on for a lot longer in Australia. Not saying what we did initially is wrong. In fact quite the contrary, I believe it's been exceptionally well managed here. But we know a lot more about the virus now and doesn't mean we can't learn a lot from a different approach.

 

[kaboom kid]

Nah I'm one of those weirdos who is trying not to die.
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Death rate is 0.2% according to CDC. Virus is highly contagious. At least 20% of us will end up exposed to it. Are you going to self isolate for 2 years? Because that's what you'll need to do.

 

[year of the roo]

Yeah rightio pal. As long as the economy will be all right. That's all that matters when it comes down to it.

 

[Zondor]

Now kaboom kid, you don’t happen to be related to mouncey2franklin? :stern look

 

[kaboom kid]

12K? Tis but a scratch for KK.

I'm no expert on this and I could well be completely wrong. I'm just fed up with constant hysteria in the daily news cycle and the way that anyone who advocates easing of restrictions is howled down as a greedy selfish murderer. Besides this an internet forum. The last thing we need is a banal echo chamber where everyone just masturbates each other.

 

[kaboom kid]

Now kaboom kid, you don’t happen to be related to mouncey2franklin? :stern look

Alt account

 

[giantroo]

More than 2000 students and 300 teachers and staff from a large independent school in Melbourne's west have been sent into quarantine and are being tested for COVID-19 following five new positive cases on Friday.

 

[kaboom kid]

Yeah rightio pal. As long as the economy will be all right. That's all that matters when it comes down to it.

As if on cue.....

 

[Zondor]

It's my civic duty. I've moved to Broadmeadows. I'm doing my bit. Are you?

 

[kaboom kid]

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I've hugged that dude

 

[DaveyBoy123]

More than 2000 students and 300 teachers and staff from a large independent school in Melbourne's west have been sent into quarantine and are being tested for COVID-19 following five new positive cases on Friday.

This will be al-taqwa college in truganina. So, speaking of elephants in the room...

 

[Zondor]

I've hugged that dude

More like twirled your tongue around his anus. :stern look

 

[Tectonic]

I do love my Mum. I'm in favour of protecting high risk groups like the elderly and those on chemo or immunosupressed, which is what the Swedes advocated. Those people can breathe a little easier now in Sweden. Have a look at the graph for deaths not new cases for Sweden Cases are going up everywhere because everywhere is testing loads more plus the virus is highly contagious. However deaths are plummeting even in the US. Look at the death curve for NYC. Swedish grandmothers only had to be stressed for 3 months. It will go on for a lot longer in Australia. Not saying what we did initially is wrong. In fact quite the contrary, I believe it's been exceptionally well managed here. But we know a lot more about the virus now and doesn't mean we can't learn a lot from a different approach.

I mean,

Pressured Sweden counts the cost of its idiosyncratic lockdown

The Swedish PM has set up a Corona Commission to weigh up whether the libertarian approach was the right one.

www.afr.com

 

[kaboom kid]

More like twirled your tongue around his anus. :stern look

It's a fair cop.... you got me Zondor... how did you see through my elaborate facade?

 

[kaboom kid]

I mean,
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Pressured Sweden counts the cost of its idiosyncratic lockdown

The Swedish PM has set up a Corona Commission to weigh up whether the libertarian approach was the right one.

www.afr.com

OK (scribbles out previous notes furiously)......so the surviving ones can breathe easily.... that's what I meant all along...right?