News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread II

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shimaburnsgrieg

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Here are the weekly '7 day average' numbers of cases through July for Victoria

1 July - 73
8 July - 170
15 July - 274
22 July - 364
30 July - 587

While they may not be 'doubling' every week which was originally feared, they are rising by a 100 consistently on a weekly basis and that has gained momentum in the past week.
 

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I think we all knew this was coming (either the figures themselves, or a more correct calculation and/or reporting of them), but gee:

India's staggering 24-hour case tally

India has registered more than 50,000 new coronavirus cases in the past 24 hours for the first time.

The record surge of 52,123 new reported cases took the national total to 1,583,792 on Thursday.

The Health Ministry also reported another 775 deaths in the past 24 hours, driving total fatalities up to 34,968.

The number of recoveries from the coronavirus in India has crossed one million.

India has reported the third most coronavirus cases in the world after the United States and Brazil.

The reported deaths from the virus in India, however, mark a far lower fatality rate than in the other two countries.
 

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Tougher NZ-style lockdown looms for Victoria
After Victoria’s worst day, which saw 723 new coronavirus cases and 13 deaths, Melbourne may be set for tougher New Zealand-style restrictions. These are the tough stage four measures the government is considering.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Premier Daniel Andrews held crisis talks on Thursday night over introducing tougher new restrictions on Melbourne.

After 723 new cases and 13 deaths — including 10 in crisis-hit nursing homes — on the worst day of the pandemic, the national medical expert panel is understood to have considered the need for sweeping new restrictions to further reduce movement.

A New Zealand-style lockdown, which saw the closure of all businesses except for essential services such as supermarkets, pharmacies, petrol stations and healthcare, was discussed as one option.

Acting Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said earlier in the day that the panel wanted to further limit the movement of people while protecting essential industries and supply chains.

The Herald Sun understands Victorian authorities have also considered new rules to limit people travelling beyond their immediate neighbourhood for supplies.

Mr Morrison said on Thursday that the spread of the virus was “of great concern”.

“We can’t rule out further restrictions or limitations to stem this outbreak,” he said.

Mr Andrews has repeatedly identified transmission of the virus in workplaces as the “biggest driver” of the worsening second wave. He warned earlier this week that “next steps may include having to close a number of these industries”.

Prof Kelly refused to detail the advice that the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee had provided, but he indicated it was crucial to restrict non-essential movement as “the virus generally spreads with people”.

“It’s people that move, not the virus,” Prof Kelly said.

He said the panel had considered solutions from other countries.

“Many of the people who are continuing to contract the virus and to have contact with others and thereby increase that community transmission are indeed working in essential industries,” Prof Kelly said.

“That’s really one of the key messages … about what else do we need to consider about movement restrictions in a way that does not interfere too much with people’s lives and livelihoods, as well as supply chains.”

Earlier this month, Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said all options were on the table, but a New Zealand-style lockdown would not necessarily fix Victoria’s problems.

“We have to understand what the dynamics of transmission are in Victoria at this point in time,” Prof Sutton said.

“It may well be that it’s an awful impost on the economy and on people’s lives with no material benefit if we go to a New Zealand-style lockdown.

“We have to understand where the transmission’s occurring and what measures will be most effective in reducing it. We have to be targeted in terms of seeing where the issues are and addressing them directly.”

Describing it as a “tough day”, Mr Andrews announced on Thursday that the wearing of masks outside the home would be made mandatory across Victoria, and six more local government areas would face additional restrictions.

He said the mandatory mask-wearing policy would be extended to the regions from Monday, as regional cases grew to 255.


People living in Colac Otway, Greater Geelong, Surf Coast, Moorabool, Golden Plains and Queenscliffe will no longer be able to visit others or have guests at home, from 11.59pm Thursday night.

Despite it being Victoria’s worst day so far, Prof Sutton was not at Thursday’s press conference, an absence noted by Opposition Leader Michael O’Brien.

“It’s very disappointing. Brett Sutton has been a trooper through this, but this was a day where he needed to answer questions about why his team was so under-resourced coming into this pandemic,” Mr O’Brien said.

It was confirmed there were 877 active cases and 57 deaths linked to aged-care facilities.

Mr O’Brien warned that the spike in overall numbers clearly showed Victoria could no longer handle the situation, and called for the Commonwealth to take over.

“We need the help of experts from the federal government,” he said. “Not just boots on the ground, but strategic direction.”

Mr Morrison welcomed the move to expand restrictions regionally.

“We have been in this lockdown now for some weeks, and we are not getting the results we would hope for,” he said in Canberra on Thursday morning.

“And as a result, the further measures that are taken are certainly necessary.”
 

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Has it been discussed as to where the 723 cases are coming from... are the majority from workplaces, or kids getting it or old age care homes. We really need to have a breakdown of those figures to make a call about whether we should be shutting down certain areas of the economy or not
 

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Okay, no more stuffing around. No more population-wide lockdowns and fining people for having KFC whilst treating the people who are genuine public health risks and threats to our economy as though they are children who have eaten too many cookies. Over 80 people who have tested positive for the virus were fined for not being home and some of those were going to work.

The strategy now shifts to a major focus on enforcement of quarantine and self-isolation.

I would propose a tenfold increase in resources allocated to spot-checking all of those that are meant to be in quarantine or self-isolating. Your door could be knocked on three or four times a day and you must be at home.

We implement a one-strike policy. The first time there is a spot check and you are not home you are subject to a criminal sanction of a hefty fine if you are meant to be self-isolating and a large fine and potential jail term if you are meant to be in quarantine. Whatsmore, if you are not there you forfeit the right to remain in your own home and will be immediately relocated to a quarantine hotel staffed by medical experts and the ADF. All your needs will be met and you will be tested regularly. You are not allowed to leave the quarantine hotel until you have returned a negative test and a doctor has signed off that you are not a threat to public health. If you attempt to leave the hotel without this happening it will be treated as a serious criminal offence and subject significant fines/jail time. Separate hotels for positive tests and those self-isolating. As soon as someone in the self-isolation hotel tests positive they get transferred to the hotel with confirmed cases where doctors, nurses etc are on hand.

Whenever someone tests positive in the community give them the option to voluntarily check into the quarantine hotel where their meals etc will be taken care of and medical help is on hand 24/7. Explain to them clearly that if they choose to quarantine at home and breach they will be subject to heavy fines, prison and immediate forced quarantine.

I know this particular item is not the Australian way but I would set up a hotline to encourage people to dob in quarantine cheats and reward them for doing so, If we knew that someone was driving dangerously drunk we would let the police know. These people flouting quarantine rules are destroying our economy, causing widespread illness, and killing our older and vulnerable fellow citizens.

And this time Andrews make sure we have the testing and contact tracing set up properly to immediately get on top of breakouts. This clearly hasn't been the case up until now.

This thing only fixes itself if we remove the infectious from the uninfected. just bloody get on with it.

Rant over.
 

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Okay, no more stuffing around. No more population-wide lockdowns and fining people for having KFC whilst treating the people who are genuine public health risks and threats to our economy as though they are children who have eaten too many cookies. Over 80 people who have tested positive for the virus were fined for not being home and some of those were going to work.

The strategy now shifts to a major focus on enforcement of quarantine and self-isolation.

I would propose a tenfold increase in resources allocated to spot-checking all of those that are meant to be in quarantine or self-isolating. Your door could be knocked on three or four times a day and you must be at home.

We implement a one-strike policy. The first time there is a spot check and you are not home you are subject to a criminal sanction of a hefty fine if you are meant to be self-isolating and a large fine and potential jail term if you are meant to be in quarantine. Whatsmore, if you are not there you forfeit the right to remain in your own home and will be immediately relocated to a quarantine hotel staffed by medical experts and the ADF. All your needs will be met and you will be tested regularly. You are not allowed to leave the quarantine hotel until you have returned a negative test and a doctor has signed off that you are not a threat to public health. If you attempt to leave the hotel without this happening it will be treated as a serious criminal offence and subject significant fines/jail time. Separate hotels for positive tests and those self-isolating. As soon as someone in the self-isolation hotel tests positive they get transferred to the hotel with confirmed cases where doctors, nurses etc are on hand.

Whenever someone tests positive in the community give them the option to voluntarily check into the quarantine hotel where their meals etc will be taken care of and medical help is on hand 24/7. Explain to them clearly that if they choose to quarantine at home and breach they will be subject to heavy fines, prison and immediate forced quarantine.

I know this particular item is not the Australian way but I would set up a hotline to encourage people to dob in quarantine cheats and reward them for doing so, If we knew that someone was driving dangerously drunk we would let the police know. These people flouting quarantine rules are destroying our economy, causing widespread illness, and killing our older and vulnerable fellow citizens.

And this time Andrews make sure we have the testing and contact tracing set up properly to immediately get on top of breakouts. This clearly hasn't been the case up until now.

This thing only fixes itself if we remove the infectious from the uninfected. just bloody get on with it.

Rant over.
Very interesting idea! We may be a selfish and stupid lot, but we're also greedy. Imagine getting a $1,000 reward for dobbing in a neighbour flouting their self-isolation requirements. Not a bad idea actually...
 

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Seeing all these infected people from Victoria head to NSW and QLD... remembered those zombie movies where I thought to myself, people wouldn't spread that virus by doing stupid selfish things which would put the entire community/planet at risk. Boy was I dead wrong, some people are absolute mouth breathing morons.
 

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