News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III

Remove this Banner Ad

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

Seasoned Football Analyst
Aug 21, 2018
17,651
41,539
AFL Club
North Melbourne
One of the problems we have with politics in Australia is lack of participation. Very few people actually sign up to be members, which enables motivated dickheads to come in and take control and do a lot of damage. Unfortunately, this seems to have happened to the Libs in Victoria with reactionary religious conservatives, like Marcus Bastian and Karina Okotel, building powerful factions that dominate pre-selections and other key outcomes. Fortunately, there seems to have been some recognition that these players have been causing serious damage to the party in the state, which as you point out is not good for the state as a whole.
This x a million.

Moving the party hard right on culture war issues as the state itself moved socially progressive.

Electoral suicide.
 

shimaburnsgrieg

Club Legend
Apr 1, 2017
2,794
5,850
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
New York Yankees; Leeds United
Dan - why are you rejecting calls for an independent inquiry? Oh yeah - the last one was pretty embarrassing for your government and we don't need to go through all that again as to who can remember what....

This episode directly resulted in the 5 day lockdown and we can't get an answer on whether the government approved his device. Dan's office might as well just say ...We don't need any distraction from the 'Dan saved Victoria again' narrative.....

From the Age

A returned traveller blamed for spreading coronavirus through the Holiday Inn quarantine hotel by using a nebuliser is pushing for an independent review of his case because he does not trust the state government to investigate itself.

It comes as debate rages among scientists over whether a nebuliser really was the source of the outbreak, as the state government has suggested.
The man, who has chronic asthma, previously told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald he was twice given permission by Victorian health authorities to use the medical device, which turns liquid medications into a fine mist that can be inhaled, while in quarantine.
Victoria’s latest outbreak is centred on the Holiday Inn at Melbourne Airport.


This is despite nebulisers being banned for use in most Victorian hospitals, except in specially designed negative pressure rooms, after they were suspected to have fuelled serious outbreaks during the state’s second wave of coronavirus infections.
Advertisement

“I don’t trust the state level of government any more. They’ve really killed my trust in this system,” said the father of one, who asked for his name not to be published to protect his family’s identity.

“I was getting misinformation left, right and centre ever since we arrived at the first hotel.”
The 38-year-old, who has been discharged from hospital and is now back in hotel quarantine with his family, revealed on Wednesday he had contacted the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care and requested an independent review.
He said his request for an independent investigation was in response to a state government audit of the Holiday Inn incident, which found there was no record of him declaring the device.

The man said he was never asked for his account of events prior to the audit being conducted. He said he was told on Tuesday, after being contacted by the Health Department, that there were three different files for his case.

The man said he was never asked for his account of events prior to the audit being conducted. He said he was told on Tuesday, after being contacted by the Health Department, that there were three different files for his case.

The man said he had also contacted the office of federal Health Minister Greg Hunt, who on Tuesday also called for an independent investigation of the matter.
 

Log in to remove this ad.

7577969923

Premiership Player
Sep 20, 2018
4,100
10,208
AFL Club
North Melbourne
This x a million.

Moving the party hard right on culture war issues as the state itself moved socially progressive.

Electoral suicide.
Those on the right that still want to fight the culture wars, thinking they are a chance to win them make me think of those Japanese soldiers they found on islands in the Pacific years after the war who didn't believe it was over and they'd lost.
 

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

Seasoned Football Analyst
Aug 21, 2018
17,651
41,539
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Those on the right that still want to fight the culture wars, thinking they are a chance to win them make me think of those Japanese soldiers they found on islands in the Pacific years after the war who didn't believe it was over and they'd lost.
The Libs could so easily beat Andrews next time, even with the big deficit they face.

A female leader, from the suburbs (not a posh bird or fail daughter of a blueblood Big Name) who ran her own business.

Conspicuously uninterested in culture war issue.

Competency, cost of living and crime.

Just hammers those home all day every day.

She'd scrub up OK but so does everyone with decent professional styling.

Looks and sounds like that woman you work with who is good fun and gets sh*t done.

Of course these women never join the party, let alone get promoted, so they're screwed.

But the path is there.

Gladys is actually a good example here.
 

rickety

Premium Gold
Nov 3, 2007
6,898
14,023
Postmans' Reef
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
swfc, carrum cowboys
One of the problems we have with politics in Australia is lack of participation. Very few people actually sign up to be members, which enables motivated dickheads to come in and take control and do a lot of damage. Unfortunately, this seems to have happened to the Libs in Victoria with reactionary religious conservatives, like Marcus Bastian and Karina Okotel, building powerful factions that dominate pre-selections and other key outcomes. Fortunately, there seems to have been some recognition that these players have been causing serious damage to the party in the state, which as you point out is not good for the state as a whole.
Thought I'd have a look at what they offer
The ALP offer a $5 discount if you're a member of a Union. Their joining fees are structured to your income. $40k - $70k pay $95 p.a. Anything over $70k and you're hit with $225, in comparison to the Libs $112 per person. Both offer concession rates. There is no mention of free polo shirts, caps or lanyards. You can volunteer for each party. Labor does have a merchandise shop, and a page for young Danny. The Libs have a book club with special guests that have so far included Howard, Abbott and Costello - except not the funny ones ;-) No mention of a designated seat anywhere, though the Libs do offer training programs in case you ever want to run for office. Hmmm.
 

7577969923

Premiership Player
Sep 20, 2018
4,100
10,208
AFL Club
North Melbourne
The Libs could so easily beat Andrews next time, even with the big deficit they face.

A female leader, from the suburbs (not a posh bird or fail daughter of a blueblood Big Name) who ran her own business.

Conspicuously uninterested in culture war issue.

Competency, cost of living and crime.

Just hammers those home all day every day.

She'd scrub up OK but so does everyone with decent professional styling.

Looks and sounds like that woman you work with who is good fun and gets sh*t done.

Of course these women never join the party, let alone get promoted, so they're screwed.

But the path is there.

Gladys is actually a good example here.
Two names off the top of my head are Sarah Henderson, if you could convince her to make the switch from federal politics, and Sally Capp, but I am not sure she is even a Liberal.
 

rickety

Premium Gold
Nov 3, 2007
6,898
14,023
Postmans' Reef
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
swfc, carrum cowboys
Two names off the top of my head are Sarah Henderson, if you could convince her to make the switch from federal politics, and Sally Capp, but I am not sure she is even a Liberal.
Well Mrs. Henderson has her hands full, and Sally Capp has her own struggles :cool:
1613549728916.png
1613549715185.png
 

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

Seasoned Football Analyst
Aug 21, 2018
17,651
41,539
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Two names off the top of my head are Sarah Henderson, if you could convince her to make the switch from federal politics, and Sally Capp, but I am not sure she is even a Liberal.
Henderson and Cape both a bit too polished and posh.

Somewhere between them and Jacqui Lambie.

Hanson is actually perfect in this regard apart from the racism, which plays in Qld, but not here.
 

Mordecai

Norm Smith Medallist
Apr 8, 2006
6,461
3,592
I am here.
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
Chelsea FC
One of the problems we have with politics in Australia is lack of participation. Very few people actually sign up to be members, which enables motivated dickheads to come in and take control and do a lot of damage. Unfortunately, this seems to have happened to the Libs in Victoria with reactionary religious conservatives, like Marcus Bastian and Karina Okotel, building powerful factions that dominate pre-selections and other key outcomes. Fortunately, there seems to have been some recognition that these players have been causing serious damage to the party in the state, which as you point out is not good for the state as a whole.
Whilst voting is important I feel theres been a shift to paint it as the be all and end all. Vote and then your civic duty is done. You might've had the biggest voter turnout in history for the States but the real work is inbetween votes.

I get that people are turned off by the media, corruption, branch stacking and it being a generally dirty field of play. There needs to be an easier, less formal access to grass roots politics. The walking squares in Greece are a good example. Or in a digital age, the Flux party - https://voteflux.org/about/.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

koshari

Brownlow Medallist
Mar 24, 2011
12,589
16,997
AFL Club
North Melbourne
The Libs could so easily beat Andrews next time, even with the big deficit they face.

A female leader, from the suburbs (not a posh bird or fail daughter of a blueblood Big Name) who ran her own business.

Conspicuously uninterested in culture war issue.

Competency, cost of living and crime.

Just hammers those home all day every day.

She'd scrub up OK but so does everyone with decent professional styling.

Looks and sounds like that woman you work with who is good fun and gets sh*t done.

Of course these women never join the party, let alone get promoted, so they're screwed.

But the path is there.

Gladys is actually a good example here.
and hence the problem for them, as if old fossils like andrews are going to answer yto a progressive self made woman.
 

B4Bear

Norm Smith Medallist
Jul 6, 2011
6,368
11,978
Melbourne
AFL Club
North Melbourne
The Libs could so easily beat Andrews next time, even with the big deficit they face.

A female leader, from the suburbs (not a posh bird or fail daughter of a blueblood Big Name) who ran her own business.

Conspicuously uninterested in culture war issue.

Competency, cost of living and crime.

Just hammers those home all day every day.

She'd scrub up OK but so does everyone with decent professional styling.

Looks and sounds like that woman you work with who is good fun and gets sh*t done.

Of course these women never join the party, let alone get promoted, so they're screwed.

But the path is there.

Gladys is actually a good example here.
Gladys is, until you scratch the surface.

Hiding her ’relationship’ with a member of parliament who was forced to resign due to corruption says plenty.

John MacArthur was the leader of NSW Rum Corps back in the day, she fits right in as the current incarnation of NSW corruption.
 

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

Seasoned Football Analyst
Aug 21, 2018
17,651
41,539
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Gladys is, until you scratch the surface.

Hiding her ’relationship’ with a member of parliament who was forced to resign due to corruption says plenty.

John MacArthur was the leader of NSW Rum Corps back in the day, she fits right in as the current incarnation of NSW corruption.
Oh I never suggested they'd be clean lol
 

Intothewind

Rookie
Jan 1, 2019
29
116
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Seems like the next year or two will be focused on herd immunity and getting vaccinated, so I'm trying to understand what of all that means.

This article link below is simple and clear, if there's any disputed parts pls point them out.

One thing that differs from the public messaging is not everyone has to take the vaccine. It would be ok if 10% of people that really object for whatever reason to taking the vaccine, refused to take it. They
continue to incur a small risk of developing severe covid symptoms as we all do now. In the same way, almost everyone who takes the vaccine will receive no personal medical benefit themself from the vaccination.

The working theory must be to promote the message "everyone has to take the jab", then if only 90% follow the orders it's still effective. Just think that message is a bit misleading and Australia might react more positively to honesty than coercion.

Eg. One in ten don't need to take the jab. So if that's you, that's fine but take out the bins for your neighbour or do do something else to help society in another way that your more comfortable with.

I would be less suspicious and more agreeable to that kind of message.




On Pixel 4a using BigFooty.com mobile app
 

DesertRoo

Norm Smith Medallist
Feb 11, 2013
8,674
16,391
AFL Club
North Melbourne
The Libs could so easily beat Andrews next time, even with the big deficit they face.

A female leader, from the suburbs (not a posh bird or fail daughter of a blueblood Big Name) who ran her own business.

Conspicuously uninterested in culture war issue.

Competency, cost of living and crime.

Just hammers those home all day every day.

She'd scrub up OK but so does everyone with decent professional styling.

Looks and sounds like that woman you work with who is good fun and gets sh*t done.

Of course these women never join the party, let alone get promoted, so they're screwed.

But the path is there.

Gladys is actually a good example here.
They’re so insular they’ll go out and find these three and think they’ve hit the relatable jackpot, while laughing at how uncouth they are behind their backs.
wondering why it all fell apart before the election.
 

KiwiRoo

Club Legend
Mar 7, 2007
2,759
4,521
New Zealand
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Seems like the next year or two will be focused on herd immunity and getting vaccinated, so I'm trying to understand what of all that means.

This article link below is simple and clear, if there's any disputed parts pls point them out.

One thing that differs from the public messaging is not everyone has to take the vaccine. It would be ok if 10% of people that really object for whatever reason to taking the vaccine, refused to take it. They
continue to incur a small risk of developing severe covid symptoms as we all do now. In the same way, almost everyone who takes the vaccine will receive no personal medical benefit themself from the vaccination.

The working theory must be to promote the message "everyone has to take the jab", then if only 90% follow the orders it's still effective. Just think that message is a bit misleading and Australia might react more positively to honesty than coercion.

Eg. One in ten don't need to take the jab. So if that's you, that's fine but take out the bins for your neighbour or do do something else to help society in another way that your more comfortable with.

I would be less suspicious and more agreeable to that kind of message.




On Pixel 4a using BigFooty.com mobile app

I don't think people have given much thought about what life may be like if you remain unvaccinated.
Want a new job ? . Sorry only those with confirmation of vaccination need apply
Want to Travel ?. sorry you can only fly with us if you're vaccinated
Music festival. Proof of vaccination required before purchase of tickets
Put your kids in day-care ? Only if vaccinated
Govt benefits..need to be vaccinated

etc etc
We're not dealing with the seasonal flu here. The govts will make life tough on those anti vaxers

and can you imagine what the stigma will be like if you voluntarily don't get vaccinated ? they'll be about as welcome as Scott Morrison at a Fire brigade fundraiser.
 

Remove this Banner Ad