News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV | NMFC player tests positive, in 14 day quarantine - Hun report does not name player

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Hospital has opened up a couple more covid wards this week. Guess they're expecting the numbers to jump with us opening up fully.
 

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Austria just made it compulsory by law for everyone to get vaccinated and we’ve got people out here protesting because they’re worried about their freedom. Lol.
They're calling it occupy Spring St.

Its pretty funny, I know someone who helped set up the original Occupy Wall St site. So different.
 

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Mrs Keating is working in the city today and said the amount of people there protesting is incredible. She went so far out of her way to get lunch because she was scared of someone taking a photo where it looks like she’s part of the protesting. So funny 💀
 

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The media and politicians have both played a role in driving people apart. Especially the media.

But people have too, especially people who have done the right thing by society during the pandemic but then jumped on their high horse about it and said some pretty f’ed up things about people who haven't been as willing to do what they've done or who have but have questioned what is happening anyway.

The reality is less than two years ago we were (supposedly) a free open society where even emergency services couldn't order someone to leave their homes when a fu**en bushfire was on the way. It was probably the most united we've ever been after those fires.

Now we've just come out of 18 months of "lockdown" and live in a society where most people are coerced into taking a form of gene therapy that's less than two years old if they want to take part in society, people are expected to activate their personal tracking device every time they enter a place of business and their fears are being stoked by various media, including media that should know better (News ltd basically.) They are lied to about a perfectly safe vaccine (that obviously isn't.^) Lied to about other vaccines that aren't as dangerous as they've been portrayed, by the media and politicians.

Thousands of people lost homes and livelihoods two years ago. I wonder how many of them are siding with the anti vaxxers because they feel abandoned. How f’ed up is it that we live in a society where the words "sided with the anti vaxxers" makes logical sense?


^ Anyone who thinks mRNA vaccines are "perfectly safe" is wrong. There are varying degrees of risk associated with their use. Now instead of acknowledging these risks and showing the people that end up drawing the short straw and suffering serious and severe adverse side effects proper support and compassion they are treating them like the enemy. Most of these people are young and would probvably be okay even if they got COVID but instead they've taken a serious hit for the public and greater good.
Literally No drug is 100% safe. And side effects such as clotting in some people taking AZ were widely reported. Problem is when then the report gets beat up my sensationalists. Iam an electrician and understand risk management. There is work that gets done that for the most part is safe however there is always some risk. The advantages of taking any of the approved vaccinations versus the I'll effects of covid are well proven over and over again.
 

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Double Standards Dan at it again.

You’d have to be a complete moron with no moral compass if you support this clown.

Has done to Victorians the very thing he detested just a few years ago.





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Smooch. Happy to call you on the moral compass clip for Andrews and raise you Morrison. His comments about his government not supporting mandatory vaccinations is as gutless as it comes imo. To say that having sat back and left
all the tough decisions and heavy lifting to the States, says heaps about him.
 

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Literally No drug is 100% safe. And side effects such as clotting in some people taking AZ were widely reported. Problem is when then the report gets beat up my sensationalists. Iam an electrician and understand risk management. There is work that gets done that for the most part is safe however there is always some risk. The advantages of taking any of the approved vaccinations versus the I'll effects of covid are well proven over and over again.
What bothers me most is the appaling lack of transperancy.

sh*t like this.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...ss-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Its like they are trolling.
 

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Noah Balta also tested positive.
 

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Most of them would have mental health issues. It’s the only way it makes sense.
Maybe just a meaningless life. No job possibly cos the lockdown killed it.

Think about what Tef was like and then image heaps more people with the same "anti woke mafia" attitude looking for someone (else) to blame for the collapse of their own lives. (Maybe thru no fault of their own.) Without the respect for science that Tef has. They're looking for a cause and with any ideology or cause logic doesn't have to apply.

Doesn't help that there are genuine questions around alot of this, like all of it, from the origin of the virus and its connection to well known people. Like Fauci's connection to the Gain of Function research that the US and China have been doing together for a decade or more. It might all be legit with no connections to bioweapons because they are thinking ahead to try and stop these sort of pandemics quickly, or maybe just some of it is also connected to biowepaons research.

Certainly a heap of transperancy issues around the Pfizer process, here and in the US.

Add the lockdowns, contact tracing and mandates.

If you're already pissed off about wokeness and the way they ban Christmas every year this is just the last straw.
 

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What bothers me most is the appaling lack of transperancy.

sh*t like this.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...ss-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Its like they are trolling.
What bothers me is the appalling lack of acknowledgement in regards to all vaccine side effects.

Knobs who highlight the possible negativities of these vaccines, completely ignore the existing problems with long established vaccines. Vaccines that have been in regular use for decades.

When confronted with those negativities, the response from these weak campaigners is nothing. Simply because it forces an adimitance of their predetermined bias and conceding that reality diminishes their stance.

If vaccine hesitancy is driven by fear based on what ifs and ignores currently verifiable widely accepted scientific data, then we are f’ed.
 

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Maybe just a meaningless life. No job possibly cos the lockdown killed it.

Think about what Tef was like and then image heaps more people with the same "anti woke mafia" attitude looking for someone (else) to blame for the collapse of their own lives. (Maybe thru no fault of their own.) Without the respect for science that Tef has. They're looking for a cause and with any ideology or cause logic doesn't have to apply.

Doesn't help that there are genuine questions around alot of this, like all of it, from the origin of the virus and its connection to well known people. Like Fauci's connection to the Gain of Function research that the US and China have been doing together for a decade or more. It might all be legit with no connections to bioweapons because they are thinking ahead to try and stop these sort of pandemics quickly, or maybe just some of it is also connected to biowepaons research.

Certainly a heap of transperancy issues around the Pfizer process, here and in the US.

Add the lockdowns, contact tracing and mandates.

If you're already pissed off about wokeness and the way they ban Christmas every year this is just the last straw.
It’s classic echo chamber stuff. They’ve already put too much in to back out now. Kind of like how Mormons exist yet their whole religion is based on a lie made up by a 15 year old kid. The Mormons just start off by giving a little bit of the story and the deeper people go the more they tell, before you know it you’re neck deep in bullshit but will lose too much if you pull out. Scientology uses the same tactics.

That’s how I see these people. They’re just in too deep and can’t pull out because then the facade is washed away.

Ironically the protests are showing that we are in fact living in a free society, otherwise they’d be taken out by now. In that way they’re strangely reassuring.
 

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What bothers me is the appalling lack of acknowledgement in regards to all vaccine side effects.

Knobs who highlight the possible negativities of these vaccines, completely ignore the existing problems with long established vaccines. Vaccines that have been in regular use for decades.

When confronted with those negativities, the response from these weak campaigners is nothing. Simply because it forces an adimitance of their predetermined bias and conceding that reality diminishes their stance.

If vaccine hesitancy is driven by fear based on what ifs and ignores currently verifiable widely accepted scientific data, then we are f’ed.
What the government should have done is got everyone to go see their GP and get a health assessment examination to determine if you are in a high risk category or not, it is people in this group that are in the highest danger. If people in this group have comorbidities and are vitamin D deficient then they are at serious risk of having a very negative covid outcome if they are not vaccinated.

There was a research paper that came out the other day which had a mechanical explanation why so many covid victims are also vitamin D deficient. They clarified that the research paper wasn't a recommendation that vitamin D should be recommended as an adjunct treatment of covid, it was beyond the scope of their research. they do recommend that a study should be undertaken to examine/prove specifically that, but it did provide a mechanistic explanation for why vitamin D deficient patients trigger a cytokine storm. There have been numerous peer reviewed papers about covid victims and vitamin D deficiency, yet we haven't done sh*t to even suggest hey, maybe you should see your GP and make sure the vitamins and minerals that are essential for cell protection against viruses you are not deficient in.

Protecting the vulnerable people and at least identifying who is vulnerable, would have done a lot more than imprisoning the entire population. If you are a fatty, if you have diabetes, put down the doughnut and go see your GP and get a health check, instead of locking everyone indoors, encourage people to sit out in the sunshine for 30 minutes. Don't need any medication to fix a Vitamin D deficiency problem and it is the only thing on the list of danger signs that you can realistically do anything about in a short period of time.
 

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What the government should have done is got everyone to go see their GP and get a health assessment examination to determine if you are in a high risk category or not, it is people in this group that are in the highest danger. If people in this group have comorbidities and are vitamin D deficient then they are at serious risk of having a very negative covid outcome if they are not vaccinated.

There was a research paper that came out the other day which had a mechanical explanation why so many covid victims are also vitamin D deficient. They clarified that the research paper wasn't a recommendation that vitamin D should be recommended as an adjunct treatment of covid, it was beyond the scope of their research. they do recommend that a study should be undertaken to examine/prove specifically that, but it did provide a mechanistic explanation for why vitamin D deficient patients trigger a cytokine storm. There have been numerous peer reviewed papers about covid victims and vitamin D deficiency, yet we haven't done sh*t to even suggest hey, maybe you should see your GP and make sure the vitamins and minerals that are essential for cell protection against viruses you are not deficient in.

Protecting the vulnerable people and at least identifying who is vulnerable, would have done a lot more than imprisoning the entire population. If you are a fatty, if you have diabetes, put down the doughnut and go see your GP and get a health check, instead of locking everyone indoors, encourage people to sit out in the sunshine for 30 minutes. Don't need any medication to fix a Vitamin D deficiency problem and it is the only thing on the list of danger signs that you can realistically do anything about in a short period of time.
Example A.

A ton of waffle, completely ignoring the issues raised in the post replied to.
 

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What bothers me is the appalling lack of acknowledgement in regards to all vaccine side effects.

Knobs who highlight the possible negativities of these vaccines, completely ignore the existing problems with long established vaccines. Vaccines that have been in regular use for decades.

When confronted with those negativities, the response from these weak campaigners is nothing. Simply because it forces an adimitance of their predetermined bias and conceding that reality diminishes their stance.

If vaccine hesitancy is driven by fear based on what ifs and ignores currently verifiable widely accepted scientific data, then we are f’ed.
So have you ever compared mRNA vaccines to other ones and their side effects?

There is a handful of myocarditis cases across decades of vaccine use with standard vaccines. Its so rare that if someone gets a case from a tetanus shot or booster a paper gets written about it.

When there was a slight chance of a serious adverse reaction from the Oxford/AZ vaccine trials it was well covered in the media and the trials were halted until the event was investigated and the vaccine cleared of involvement. Meanwhile there is the FDA saying it will take 55 years to review data for publication that took them a year to review while approving Pfizer's vaccine. We have former trial staff blowing the whistle on the problems with the trial process they were associated with and Pfizer admitting they underreported the deaths associated with their trial.

The TGA is suggesting making available to children a vaccine that is being withdrawn from use in men under 30 across Europe.

None of this is good enough.

WE're paying for this sh*t with our public money and its given a free pass while vaccines that may be more effective and certainly don't carry the stigma of a new technology with an unknown risk profile seem to be stymied by regulators.

And then people wonder why some other people are reluctant to get vaccinated.

Anyway its done now. Either it will cause problems among the population or it won't, we'll find over the next year or two. IF it doesn't that's great but it still doesn't absolve the piss poor process that was followed to enable the Pfizer rollout.
 

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So have you ever compared mRNA vaccines to other ones and their side effects?

There is a handful of myocarditis cases across decades of vaccine use with standard vaccines. Its so rare that if someone gets a case from a tetanus shot or booster a paper gets written about it.

When there was a slight chance of a serious adverse reaction from the Oxford/AZ vaccine trials it was well covered in the media and the trials were halted until the event was investigated and the vaccine cleared of involvement. Meanwhile there is the FDA saying it will take 55 years to review data for publication that took them a year to review while approving Pfizer's vaccine. We have former trial staff blowing the whistle on the problems with the trial process they were associated with and Pfizer admitting they underreported the deaths associated with their trial.

The TGA is suggesting making available to children a vaccine that is being withdrawn from use in men under 30 across Europe.

None of this is good enough.

WE're paying for this sh*t with our public money and its given a free pass while vaccines that may be more effective and certainly don't carry the stigma of a new technology with an unknown risk profile seem to be stymied by regulators.

And then people wonder why some other people are reluctant to get vaccinated.

Anyway its done now. Either it will cause problems among the population or it won't, we'll find over the next year or two. IF it doesn't that's great but it still doesn't absolve the piss poor process that was followed to enable the Pfizer rollout.
Of course I haven't compared mRna vaccines as they are a new scientific development. Nobody has. It's an ongoing process.

Also the tetanus vaccine was never examined with the same public scrutiny due to the lack of public insight ie; the internet.

Tetanus was never a pandemic either. If you have evidence of a different level of scientific rigour in regards to this, then I welcome you to table it.

As stated before, never in the history of vaccine implementation has there been such public, and with all due respect, (largely uneducated) scrutiny.

As I have also previously highlighted, the relevant medical and scientific bodies are undergoing continued monitoring of these new technologies, along with the modifications of these new technologies, as circumstances and evidence change.

None of these things are being swept under the carpet.

The problem that I can see with the reticence in vaccine uptake & intensified scepticism is mostly down to the internet and it's largely down to the proliferation of misinformation.

The roll out has been hijacked by both an incompetent federal government and the misinformation that people are willing to swallow if it confirms their pre existing fear.
 

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