News Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV

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Qld govt just announced regardless of hitting vax targets there borders will remain closed.

Have you got a link to that announcement?

 

[Val Keating]

Western australia?
I think there's some but they've been almost self reliant in the last 2 years with most eastern states under lockdown.
QLD relies a lot on tourism.

I meant QLD. The post I was responding to was about QLD wasn’t it?

 

[B4Bear]

Doubt this will happen.
Victoria govt promised us 4000 icu beds at 1.3 billion cost.

Only 400 delivered after one year.

Can’t recall or can’t remember denies making this promise so I wouldn’t rely on our govt to help us out of this mess.

They are now doubling down to try not make themselves look corrupt.


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You do know that an ICU bed requires a specialist ICU nurse and support staff to make it an actual ICU bed, don’t you?

Otherwise it is known as a bed.

Tell us, how are they going to get the staff together to do this in the timeframes you are implying they have breached?

 

[Val Keating]

Have you got a link to that announcement?

Just did a quick search and this is as close as I could find. Sky news of course

 

[B4Bear]

Don’t they rely heavily on tourism?

Not really.

Mining is their pot of gold. They just delivered a state budget with something like a 5 billion surplus. Rolling in it.

 

[Horace]

Angry right wing white guys yelling at their phones in a car is the funniest genre.

Methinks this man might support the pies. Has the chompers - or lack thereof - plus the language, to fit right in an old style Victoria Park crowd.

 

[danj]

I think I know the publican you mean...

In reality though publicans already need to ensure people are over 18, many licensed premises check IDs at the door, when checking ID can just as easily check for vaccination - it's very easy to download from mygov and store on your phone.

I'm sure that it won't be too difficult for the mygov vaccine certification to be part of the checks for Covid checkins that are at all businesses now so this could conceivably be easier for checks than the current system for checking that patrons are over 18.

Maybe but it gets back to how the system is set up, maybe they could have a Vax Tick (TM) on their licence or proof of age card, that would make sense or Medicare card, either way these are systems already in place and it would be far easier to have the Vax Tick (TM) on them than reinvent the system

 

[Val Keating]

Doubt this will happen.
Victoria govt promised us 4000 icu beds at 1.3 billion cost.

Only 400 delivered after one year.

Can’t recall or can’t remember denies making this promise so I wouldn’t rely on our govt to help us out of this mess.

They are now doubling down to try not make themselves look corrupt.


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They seem to have been caught out on that one.

 

[Reagan Smash]

Queensland's books are expected to be back in black within the next four years, with Treasurer Cameron Dick predicting the state will return to a $153 million surplus by mid-2025.

 

[Tectonic]

If the worst part happens and the serious case numbers are up with a vaccination percentage of 70+ then we have a real problem and have been sold a pup.

Israel is always pointed to because of their high percentage of vaxxed people but also high case numbers. Any idea what the situation is with the serious cases over there?

I posted it earlier. They have very similar numbers to nsw currently in hospital, but about 6x the cases in general. So it's working out fine.

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

If we’re still having hubs, boarder closures etc once we’ve reached 80% and have enough vaccines that not being vaccinated is just a personal choice I’ll really start to wonder wtf is going on.

lol that’s when you will wonder. I suppose everyone has their moment of awakening.

 

[blackshadow]

Queensland's books are expected to be back in black within the next four years, with Treasurer Cameron Dick predicting the state will return to a $153 million surplus by mid-2025.

Cameron Dick

 

[7577969923]

You do know that an ICU bed requires a specialist ICU nurse and support staff to make it an actual ICU bed, don’t you?

Otherwise it is known as a bed.

Tell us, how are they going to get the staff together to do this in the timeframes you are implying they have breached?

The announcement about the expansion in ICU capacity was made 18 months ago. That is ample time to have staffed up for a significant proportion of those beds. They clearly saw the obvious that a surge in cases and hospitalisations was always a highly probable outcome during this pandemic but they haven't followed through. That is incompetence which ever way you look at it.

 

[Val Keating]

lol that’s when you will wonder. I suppose everyone has their moment of awakening.

Moment to of awakening? That sounds quasi religious.

 

[7577969923]

They seem to have been caught out on that one.

He is such a smug, bullying, condescending campaigner!

 

[Val Keating]

He is such a smug, bullying, condescending campaigner!

Andrews?

 

[7577969923]

Andrews?

Yep. Davis is a bit of a non-entity.

We live in a one-party state.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

They seem to have been caught out on that one.

I'd put that down to pre-pandemic panic and a lack of clarity on what was unfolding at the time, remembering that it was April 2020.

Does it make sense to have a 4,000 bed ICU facility sitting mostly vacant? Probably not. What does make sense is an ability to respond with agility to demand as it presents itself. I would very much like to know what the state govt have done in that space as it is probably the more likely effective way forward. Prevention by lockdown is one thing. Doing so without responding to and preparing for the potential for disaster is absolutely another.

I'll ask someone I know in infectious diseases and hospital management who has been increasingly involved in the state govt planning and see what he knows. Will post if I find out.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

If the worst part happens and the serious case numbers are up with a vaccination percentage of 70+ then we have a real problem and have been sold a pup.

Israel is always pointed to because of their high percentage of vaxxed people but also high case numbers. Any idea what the situation is with the serious cases over there?

There have been noises around the use of 70% as the out point as a political tool with the Doherty report indicating that even at 70% restrictions need to be in place, with 80% and 90% more likely for significant loosening of restrictions. So yeah, its likely that there will be a lot of jumping up and down that even at 70% we are either not free enough if restrictions are not fully loosened or are having too many infections if case numbers jump.

Not sure on Israel. Will take a squiz.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

So going from protesting at The Shrine to having one at Northcote Plaza/All Nations Park.
What next, opening act for a children’s puppet show?

 

[7577969923]

I'd put that down to pre-pandemic panic and a lack of clarity on what was unfolding at the time, remembering that it was April 2020.

Does it make sense to have a 4,000 bed ICU facility sitting mostly vacant? Probably not. What does make sense is an ability to respond with agility to demand as it presents itself. I would very much like to know what the state govt have done in that space as it is probably the more likely effective way forward. Prevention by lockdown is one thing. Doing so without responding to and preparing for the potential for disaster is absolutely another.

I'll ask someone I know in infectious diseases and hospital management who has been increasingly involved in the state govt planning and see what he knows. Will post if I find out.

It was several months into the panic. There is no evidence of any agility and ability to rapidly scale. They wanted to bath in the political glory of a substantial increase in capacity but then didn't follow through. It's either cynical, incompetent, or both.

 

[blackshadow]

Another person I know is in ICU. His organs are failing due to not enough oxygen getting to them. And yes, he is on a ventilator. This guy was on the fence in regards to taking the vax.

Poor bugger.

Hopefully this will be a wake up call and make make at least one more person realise the risks they are putting themselves at if they don't vaccinate.

 

[So You Think]

 

[blackshadow]

So going from protesting at The Shrine to having one at Northcote Plaza/All Nations Park.
What next, opening act for a children’s puppet show?

The plaza is an icon!

Where else in Melbourne can you choose from two Coles in the one building?

 

[Swallow_Wood]

So, Israel.

Fully vaxxed: 62%
One shot: 67%

Current active cases: 66,337 with 56% in school aged kids, most of whom are unvaccinated.
Mild condition: 99%
Serious or Critical (1%)

For context the country under the new prime minister has had little restriction of movement and interaction since March. Vaccinations ramped up during their second wave in January. During their second wave there were less cases on average than there currently is, however there were more deaths on average and more hospitalisations on average than there are now.

So with 62% full vaccination and very loose restrictions they currently have 710 serious to critical cases in the country. Apparently up to 60% of hospitalisations are vaccinated, however without being able to find the data the reporting is that these are mostly old or infirm people, susceptible to illness.

The UK has a higher vaccination rate around 66%, is averaging over 30,000 new cases a day and almost 200 deaths a day, with very few restrictions in place.


IN the wonderful land of highly intelligent and attractive people known as Ireland they have a vaccination rate of 74% fully and 77% single vaxxed, have been averaging over 1000 cases a day since July with 172 deaths since the end of July. Dudes there are back at the pub.