Coronavirus/COVID-19

[ScragCity]

First infection was midway through 2020.

That makes sense and is in line with most data that seems to suggest the median individual will have about a year of immunity.

I hope means anyone who gets it a second time handles it better and only develops milder symptoms.

Yeah, it'll be that way for most people.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Don’t think Abbott had much of a proper job before politics.
my humble opinion, a dill right up there with the worst we have had.

Well...he did spend a short time as a journalist before becoming a staffer to John Howard and beginning his rise to becoming the most incompetent Prime Minister in this nations history. And thats saying something! So technically as a failed journalist and Prime Minister he falls outside of fresh's definition of what makes a proper politician twice.

 

[Mofra]

Well...he did spend a short time as a journalist before becoming a staffer to John Howard and beginning his rise to becoming the most incompetent Prime Minister in this nations history. So technically as a failed journalist and Prime Minister he falls outside of fresh's definition of what makes a proper politician twice.

Billy McMahon used to be the consensus pick for worst PM. We've had a few recent candidates that cast doubt on that consensus now.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Billy McMahon used to be the consensus pick for worst PM. We've had a few recent candidates that cast doubt on that consensus now.

In before my quick edit.

Billy big ears was well before my time. I am however confident in my assertion about Tone the onion eater.

 

[Mofra]

In before my quick edit.

Billy big ears was well before my time. I am however confident in my assertion about Tone the onion eater.

Not much of a choice but I'd take Abbott ahead of ScoMo.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Not much of a choice but I'd take Abbott ahead of ScoMo.

Sure, however, lest I be judged to be more of a political hack than I already am. I cant fairly judge Scotty until his time in office passes and he can finally complete his Hawaiian holiday free of the inconveniences of the highest office in the land.

So there is still a chance that the sleepy campaigners of this nation may yet give him another go at showing a degree of competence. Before they nod off for the next 4 years of inaction on anything of consequence.

Thats an honour not afforded tone deaf Tone. 2 years were clearly enough for everybody.

 

[dogwatch]

Sure, however, lest I be judged to be more of a political hack than I already am. I cant fairly judge Scotty until his time in office passes and he can finally complete his Hawaiian holiday free of the inconveniences of the highest office in the land.

So there is still a chance that the sleepy campaigners of this nation may yet give him another go at showing a degree of competence. Before they nod off for the next 4 years of inaction on anything of consequence.

Thats an honour not afforded tone deaf Tone. 2 years were clearly enough for everybody.

Good point. ScoMo is following more in the Menzies style - make sure the swinging voters have their material needs satisfied and then put the electorate to sleep. If you stuff up or tell fibs, just hope they are all still dozing and didn't notice. Conservatism meant not rocking the boat.
Abbott by contrast was more of a loose cannon that had everybody wondering/worried what he'd come up with next.
The budget in his first year as PM (the conventional time to undertake budget reparation) was badly overplayed too. That dogged him throughout his time as PM. I don't think he ever recovered from the damage it did to his standing with the public.

 

[dogwatch]

It seems like there are a lot of hypothetical scenarios but nothing close to concrete. My opinion is that living without restrictions should be our default position, and if the government is going to impose restrictions there should be tangible benefits which are backed by solid data. What do you think DW?

Here's another view.
Note that he's not an epidemiologist, he's an economist. Also he's employed by the Australia Institute which is usually critical of LNP politics.

Healthy humans drive the economy: we’re now witnessing one of the worst public policy failures in Australia’s history

Some political and business leaders have, from the outset of COVID-19, downplayed the economic costs of mass illness. We’re now seeing the result.

theconversation.com

The question I have with this is would the situation be that much different if Perrotet and ScoMo had been more supportive of extending restrictions? We'll obviously never know but Omicron has been devilishly hard to contain so far.

One possibility is that they anticipated the economy would be f***ed anyway so they might as well be seen as giving the people "freedom" than be blamed for stifling business with severe restrictions. Then it's seen more as the virus's fault, not theirs.

 

[Northernsoul74]

 

[ScragCity]

The question I have with this is would the situation be that much different if Perrotet and ScoMo had been more supportive of extending restrictions?

Good question. It seems that Vic and NSW couldn't contain their Delta outbreaks even with pretty harsh lockdowns. What hope did we ever have against Omicron? What level of restrictions would actually slow the spread significantly? My suspicion is that it would take incredibly harsh restrictions imposed on a lockdown-weary populace to make much difference at all and it would probably only buy us weeks, not even months. That's just my intuition though.

 

[DognBones]

4 weeks ago Australia ranked 102 of all nations in terms of gross infection numbers. As of today, we rank 42 and will enter the top 40 in a few days. That's noteworthy.
Of course, we are well down the list in comparative death rates but perhaps from an outsider's point of view, our current situation indicates a major policy shift.

 

[synchrodogcal]

Meanwhile we’ll have regular boosters, same as the flu vax. Boosters adapted for current strains.

not necessarily

Their comments come after the UK’s head vaccine adviser, Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, who helped develop the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, called for an end to ongoing mass vaccination.

“It really is not affordable, sustainable or probably even needed to vaccinate everyone on the planet every four to six months,” Prof Pollard told BBC Radio 4’s Today program. “In the future, we need to target the vulnerable.”

Pfizer CEO says two doses provide ‘limited protection, if any’

Pfizer’s chief executive has revealed that two doses of its current Covid-19 vaccine offer “very limited protection, if any” against the Omicron variant.

www.news.com.au

 

[synchrodogcal]

the other interesting article i read the other day was one speculating that a certain percentage of the population have some protection from catching covid19 due to previous episodes of the common cold caused by corona viruses

i find this totally feasible, given that i sat next to a girl at work for 3 days while she was infectious & didn't catch it off her

Covid-19: Common cold may give some protection, study suggests

Researchers say immune cells made to defend the body against some colds could help stave off Covid.

www.bbc.com

 

[Mofra]

One possibility is that they anticipated the economy would be f***ed anyway so they might as well be seen as giving the people "freedom" than be blamed for stifling business with severe restrictions. Then it's seen more as the virus's fault, not theirs.

That would require a level of foresight that on evidence thus far, the 'let it rip' advocates just do not possess.

 

[Mofra]

Good question. It seems that Vic and NSW couldn't contain their Delta outbreaks even with pretty harsh lockdowns. What hope did we ever have against Omicron? What level of restrictions would actually slow the spread significantly? My suspicion is that it would take incredibly harsh restrictions imposed on a lockdown-weary populace to make much difference at all and it would probably only buy us weeks, not even months. That's just my intuition though.

NSW removed the mask wearing indoors requirement on 15 December, removed density limits and QR code check ins on the same date.
It seems likely that removing those restrictions have made the current situation worse. It's not all bout 'incredibly harsh lockdowns' but sometimes just some additional basic measures that could help.

 

[NBates]

 

[King Harold]

Not much of a choice but I'd take Abbott ahead of ScoMo.

Not for me , a more moronic idiot you will struggle to find
Maybe the previous fella across the Pacific ?

 

[King Harold]

WhoooHooo !
you can now get up and about while at the same time knock over Covid .
Tucker is now promoting viagra as the wonder pill .

Scrag or Brisdog might be up for it if we need some Guinea pigs to experiment on ?

 

[ScragCity]

WhoooHooo !
you can now get up and about while at the same time knock over Covid .
Tucker is now promoting viagra as the wonder pill .

Scrag or Brisdog might be up for it if we need some Guinea pigs to experiment on ?

Sign me up, brother. I haven't been able to get it up naturally since the GF loss.

 

[King Harold]

Sign me up, brother. I haven't been able to get it up naturally since the GF loss.

Same Scrag , suffered severe and sudden shrinkage about the 20 min mark of 3rd quarter.
The little fella has had the sad’s since

 

[BrisDog]

WhoooHooo !
you can now get up and about while at the same time knock over Covid .
Tucker is now promoting viagra as the wonder pill .

Scrag or Brisdog might be up for it if we need some Guinea pigs to experiment on ?

I took viagra and it’s yellow cousin tafalafil (cialis) like smarties for over 6 years. Some of the best years of my life.

 

[King Harold]

I took viagra and it’s yellow cousin tafalafil (cialis) like smarties for over 6 years. Some of the best years of my life.

And you have never had covid ?
i think Tuckers on to something!

 

[BrisDog]

And you have never had covid ?
i think Tuckers on to something!

Just chlamydia a couple of times

 

[ScragCity]

 

[Northernsoul74]

WhoooHooo !
you can now get up and about while at the same time knock over Covid .
Tucker is now promoting viagra as the wonder pill .

Scrag or Brisdog might be up for it if we need some Guinea pigs to experiment on ?