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No need to apologise to me, I'm male. Not sure about 'guys' either - might need to run that by some female posters for feedback. ;)
(No reflection on you, but few buzz words sh1t me at the moment like 'woke'. Maybe McCormack's fault.)
Just one of my habits - when I talk about footy I keep saying ‘blokes’ to everyone. Must be a country footy thing. Sorry to the females out there and I’m not going to call you ‘sheila’s’ or anything. I mean well people.
 
The good news is that my local gun store is still open and doing tremendous business. The US Department of Homeland Security has designated gun stores as 'essential infrastructure' so state and local governments cannot order them to close. Apparently the country can't function properly without millions of panicked and paranoid people buying tons of guns and ammunition.

I'd love to get a gun licence now, except you can only do it through a gun club that supports the sho
No need to apologise to me, I'm male. Not sure about 'guys' either - might need to run that by some female posters for feedback. ;)
(No reflection on you, but few buzz words sh1t me at the moment like 'woke'. Maybe McCormack's fault.)

You're jokin' aren't ya? Any women who hang out on here have tougher hides than us blokes.
 

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Bugger ,Won't load up , but for anyone interested : Youtube : What if Fox News covered Trump the way it covered Obama? It would look like this.

I think most of you will get my drift ?
I think the same can be said of CNN as well tbh. Thing is, as human beings, we all have a bias, whether conscious or otherwise. Some people just tend to hide it better than others, or are more open about it at least.
 

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I think the same can be said of CNN as well tbh. Thing is, as human beings, we all have a bias, whether conscious or otherwise. Some people just tend to hide it better than others, or are more open about it at least.

Correct , CNN hate Trump with a passion. ( I would argue for bloody good reason )

But some on here talk of Fox and all the windbags on it as if they are balanced and providing fact.
If we now just brush this Trump era off as oh well we all have bias , we have truly sunk to new low as to what's acceptable .
Truth now days is now a optional extra with Trump and his followers. Sad to say he is dragging a fair proportion of the U.S. public with him on that notion. And dare I say it a few on this board as well.
 

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Correct , CNN hate Trump with a passion. ( I would argue for bloody good reason )

But some on here talk of Fox and all the windbags on it as if they are balanced and providing fact.
If we now just brush this Trump era off as oh well we all have bias , we have truly sunk to new low as to what's acceptable .
Truth now days is now a optional extra with Trump and his followers. Sad to say he is dragging a fair proportion of the U.S. public with him on that notion. And dare I say it a few on this board as well.

The problem is the other side easily talk as much utter shite as the Trump side does.

To suggest one side of US media Is worse than the other is simply wrong imo. Rachel Madcow and Dan Lemon just tell false story after false story and spew utter hatred at Trump.
 

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Correct , CNN hate Trump with a passion. ( I would argue for bloody good reason )

But some on here talk of Fox and all the windbags on it as if they are balanced and providing fact.
If we now just brush this Trump era off as oh well we all have bias , we have truly sunk to new low as to what's acceptable .
Truth now days is now a optional extra with Trump and his followers. Sad to say he is dragging a fair proportion of the U.S. public with him on that notion. And dare I say it a few on this board as well.
I think there is a difference between journalism and commentary though. I argue that Fox is mostly commentary when you look at shows like Tucker, Hannity etc and given the channel is aim at right wingers, the commentary is always going to skew that way. CNN is almost a commentary channel now with shows like Anderson Cooper 360, Cuomo Primetime and the like doing similar, but not with the same slant.
 

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For anyone in any doubt ! Hypocrisy is staggering.
They obviously rely on all their having amnesia



Amazing, King, thanks for posting. If they were going like this after Obama, they should have gone nuclear on Trump. Problem is, Fox takes into accountthe incumbent's politics, but also their colour, and their threat to Fox's demographic. If Clinton got in, Fox would be inciting the hordes - instead they fall in behind a perpetual liar, who can't manage to coherently grasp even the most basic policies, or for that matter, even the most basic sentence, and literally lies about his own statements that are on public record, then declares any reporting of WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID as 'fake news'.


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I think there is a difference between journalism and commentary though. I argue that Fox is mostly commentary when you look at shows like Tucker, Hannity etc and given the channel is aim at right wingers, the commentary is always going to skew that way. CNN is almost a commentary channel now with shows like Anderson Cooper 360, Cuomo Primetime and the like doing similar, but not with the same slant.

Your interpretation of Fox may well be correct - the problem is that Fox themselves, and Trump, and Trump's demographic, all view Fox 'commentators' (generous term given most of them have lost touch with reality - my opinion) as 'journalists' (they even refer to themselves by that term in the clip that King Harold posted). It's like Bolt calling himself a journalist - when he is the total opposite of what the term 'journalist' refers to. The only genuine high-profile, non-biased journalist Sky had defected to the ABC.
 
For anyone in any doubt ! Hypocrisy is staggering.
They obviously rely on all their having amnesia
Fascinating. I love footy and I hate Fox so it's been a hard choice whether or not to get Foxsports / Kayo. So far I'm sticking to my principles and holding out.

I don't want any of my discretionary spend going Murdoch's way.
 

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Fascinating. I love footy and I hate Fox so it's been a hard choice whether or not to get Foxsports / Kayo. So far I'm sticking to my principles and holding out.

I don't want any of my discretionary spend going Murdoch's way.

Dilemma for me for years has been when I've actually wanted to read a footy article in the Hun, or get the yearly Footy liftout. I compromise by my in-laws being purchasers of the Hun, so any footy stuff I'm after often comes my way (eventually). I refuse to contribute even a red cent to that decrepit scavenger. Keep up the good fight dogwatch - "solidarity, Reg!"

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The problem is the other side easily talk as much utter shite as the Trump side does.

To suggest one side of US media Is worse than the other is simply wrong imo. Rachel Madcow and Dan Lemon just tell false story after false story and spew utter hatred at Trump.

the various bias amongst the media is a sideshow.
Trump is giving the likes of CNN plenty of ammo , that’s the downside if you are someone that lies on an hourly basis.
Just let this sink in again, Feb 28 Trump :the virus is a Democrat Hoax ( where have we heard that before )

Sorry , but Trump is a despicable human being.
 

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You people watch and read too much American crap. :p

I certainly don't go out of my way looking for it, it's just hard to miss when it's constantly on all our main FTA TV channels. No offence Chicago, but I would be more than happy to have far more in-depth reporting of local news and far less extended coverage of US politics. And far less repeats on the other digital channels of some tv shows I personally view as crimes against humanity. While there is the odd local show that I would include in that collection, the proliferation of American police and legal dramas (old and new) is mind-numbing... and repetitive. (Hope that didn't sound like an anti-American rant btw.)
 
Is The Australian wrong then? (full article behind paywall)

Fire chiefs' climate group a pet 'project' of activist Tim Flannery
www.theaustralian.com.au › nation › politics



Dec 17, 2019 - Climate activist Tim Flannery is the force behind a band of former state fire and emergency chiefs accusing Scott Morrison of abandoning bushfires across the nation and demanding an immediate end to the burning of fossil fuels.

The Australian is Murdoch’s pet newspaper. It was his first newspaper in Australia. It runs at a loss, but he refuses to get rid of it. Some of the most conservative commentators in Australia write for the paper, known for its climate denials and cheer leaders for the far right of politics.

A study on the newspaper found that four of every five articles it publishes about climate change is against climate change.
 
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No need to apologise to me, I'm male. Not sure about 'guys' either - might need to run that by some female posters for feedback. ;)
(No reflection on you, but few buzz words sh1t me at the moment like 'woke'. Maybe McCormack's fault.)
What about 'bespoke' - havent worked out what that means yet
 

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I am just sick of the Lies:
Scomo today said we were the first country to test 1% of their population...
WRONG!!!!
Iceland has already tested 5% of their population!!!!

We really need a new conservative party in Australia. People who have morals, are honest and straight talkers.
 

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the various bias amongst the media is a sideshow.
Trump is giving the likes of CNN plenty of ammo , that’s the downside if you are someone that lies on an hourly basis.
Just let this sink in again, Feb 28 Trump :the virus is a Democrat Hoax ( where have we heard that before )

Sorry , but Trump is a despicable human being.


As I said I’m not picking one side against the other but the Democrats are no better, they all lie day in day out
 
I am just sick of the Lies:
Scomo today said we were the first country to test 1% of their population...
WRONG!!!!
Iceland has already tested 5% of their population!!!!

We really need a new conservative party in Australia. People who have morals, are honest and straight talkers.
And who don't call themselves "liberals" LOL.

The Liberals aren't liberals.
The Nationals aren't national - they only represent the rural interests.
Labor doesn't represent labour (well not like it used to).
The Greens don't represent fresh vegetables.
And One Nation does its best to cause dissent and fragmentation.

What hope have we got? ;)
 
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I think that was a bit of earlier reporting. I watched 4 Corners and the experts they had on, stated they didn’t know what the source animal was, but suspected it was the mixing of the blood from two animals that were infected on the slaughter board that started the virus. This was at the Wuhan illegal wildlife market.

COVID 19 is a man made bio weapon which leaked out of the Wuhan Level 4 bio weapons lab near the wet markets.
 
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Whaaat? Say that again!

Where do we start, how about the casualisation of the Labor force, but always on the employers terms. Turn down a shift you don’t get offered the next one, there is a downturn so you are laid off. Go back 20 years ago, when people still had job security.

We are a racist country, that still has not looked at and accepted its history of genocide to the first Australians. It’s not taught in schools, it used to cover some of it until John Howard refused the “black arm band version of history” stripped the schools of the curriculum that actually educated young people on Australian history and taught what it means to be a citizens. Now we produce a generation of young people who tune out of politics, creating apathy a risk to democracy.

The wars are celebrated with the history of the ANZACs, and Gallipoli, but we deport New Zealanders who have been here all their lives. However we are happy to plunder State trained NZ professionals like medical staff, because the high HECS fees and lack of Austudy, is a barrier for many people to study and support themselves here in Australia.

We now charge exorbitant fees and charges to people wanting to live permanently in Australia, $10,000 for a visa.

So how about, aid to the South Pacific region, thats right the good old Coalition slashed it all, then became very indignant when China moved into the void that Australia had left.

Even before this crisis it was wage stagnation.

How about the bitter politics, no bipartisan at all, really dirty, hit you below the belt politics. Lies, media bias, corruption.

I could go on all night. I can only assume that you are so young that you don’t realise what you have lost, or you are so disengaged you don’t notice these things, or just listen to shock jocks, close friends of Australia Billionaires and Politicians. If you truly think we are moving towards the left, you have truly been duped.

Seems like you've made some pretty strong assumptions about me, so I will give you a detailed background about me, what I listen to and an explanation. I do have very strong views about different things, but I think you'll find I am willing to listen and I do listen to some differing points of view.

A bit about myself. I am 29 years old, so yes I'm reasonably young. I grew up in a small country town and I'm back living in my hometown on a family farm now. I live in a conservative area, I believe it's been Liberal/National for as long as I've lived. I also have a Liberal Premier in NSW. I'm fine with admitting I have some bias, however I'm not a Coalition/National voter as such in fact I'm not a fan of either of the current leaders in my district and state. I like Scomo though. I moved to Melbourne/Geelong to do my training in agriculture after I left school (which is where I sprung a real love for the Western Bulldogs). This certainly exposed me to different viewpoints both political and in life. I've seen that city dwellers see things very differently to country folk. And a lot of the time we speak on totally different issues.

As for what I watch and listen to. I do probably listen to more American Media then I do Australian to be honest. In the mainstream American media side of things, I think it's been well established I like listening to Tucker Carlson. People here are implying he's a conspiracy theorist. Well if that's true, for a conspiracy theorist, he's right a lot from what I've seen. He's also someone that has different people on with complete differing opinions like ANTIFA for example which is a very left group... I have tried listening to CNN, but I just can't tolerate it. I can tolerate MSNBC to a degree, just don't make me listen to Rachel Maddow! I do read a bit of New York Times too, they have some good journalists.

On independent media (youtube), Tim Pool is someone I've listened to a fair bit. In his own words he's a left of centre, milk toast fence sitter. Even though he's left leaning, he calls out the left media a lot and the Democrats. Perhaps this is part of where my dislike for left American media comes from. He does call out Fox and the Republican's sometimes too though. I think he's got a fair bit of credibility as he's worked at some pretty big media organisations and played a big part in them. He's someone that cares about the truth more so then what any of the mainstream media outlets do IMO... Apart from that I like watching PraguerU videos. They look at things more from a philosophical point of view, but yeah they are conservatives. Steven Crowder I find funny, he's kind of like a late night talk show host only right wing.

As for Australian Media, I do listen to a lot of ABC radio which I find is left leaning. It does have some very good programs on the rural side. Alan Jones has some good opinions on the rural side of things as well.. I waver with Andrew Bolt, I think he tries too hard and generally has people that agree with him too much. I always take the time to listen to Martin Ilyes of the Australian Christian Lobby though. Yep I'm a Christian. He brings up a lot of social/moral issues on politics, a lot of things mainstream media doesn't cover.

So why do I think the country is moving too far to the left? Well the main issues for me are

- I'm very against euthanasia and abortion, I'm a strong believer in the preservation of life

- I'm very against what's happening in our schools. I think we are confusing our kids with this gender fluidity stuff and over sexualizing our kids. Drag Queen story time is insane. If someone wants to make that decision as an adult, that's fine. Just don't practice it at schools

- I believe in a multi ethnic Australia, not in a multi cultural Australia. I think people from different cultures should adopt our culture if they want to live here. A lot of European nations are having a lot of problems going down this road as it doesn't create a lot of unity, in fact it can create a lot of disunity when cultures start clashing

- I think political correctness is getting out of hand. It's getting harder to air your beliefs and to criticise certain ideas. People are losing their jobs over certain religious beliefs

- I don't know if this is a left or right thing, but I thought I'd mention it. I'm also an advocate against the trafficking of prostitutes. Australia is one of the top 20 trafficking destinations in the world. There's stories of women being forced to work in brothels from 9am to 11pm every day of the week. We are advocating for the Nordic model (used in Scandinavian countries) to be introduced which criminalises the purchase of sex and creates easy pathways for trafficked women to exit without fear of prosecution.

As for bitter politics and the lies. I agree. The problem is it's on both sides as I stated in an earlier post on this thread. Social media hasn't helped and the lines are blurred between opinion and fact.

Anyway that's a bit about me and my point of view. There's other things, but I'll leave it at that. At the end of the day I think we still live in a great country and we can air our views with a lot of freedom. I do fear we are losing our Identity as a nation though.
 
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Im sure that you can rationalise your view about Fox not being extreme right if you are looking at some of the darker corners of the internet where you'll find "Ku Klux Klan kind up stuff.."

In an age of enormous government stimulus and either underpinning or outright bailing out off otherwise private businesses, I find the notion that countries moving "too far to the left" to be somewhat perplexing. Its funny that the likes of Fox seem to have gone quite on the boogyman of socialism since they stopped the incredibly damaging mantra that the whole COVID-19 thing was a democrat and main stream media plot to unseat their useful idiot in the Whitehouse and realised the enormity of the situation that the world currently faces. Coincidentally this occurred at the same time that the useful idiot had his domascene moment. However, by then it was too little too late. The damage was done.

Sean Hannity 27. 02. 20

Fair, balanced and typically out to scare the pants off unthinking rubes, so that they dont switch channels.

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I'm willing to admit I've made a few mistakes in my time, I'm not proud of going down certain paths. I wasn't looking for the Klu Klux Klan stuff though, someone I knew was into that crap.

As for the Socialism thing, I think this is what the government is there for and this is the perfect time for the government to intervene. Meaning you don't want to rely on the government generally speaking, but when your country is in trouble for example, this is the perfect time for the government to step up.

As for Hannity, he ain't that good. Give me more of Tucker. You know the guy that was all over the Caronavirus on the 28th Jan. Get around him.
 

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Seems like you've made some pretty strong assumptions about me, so I will give you a detailed background about me, what I listen to and an explanation. I do have very strong views about different things, but I think you'll find I am willing to listen and I do listen to some differing points of view.

A bit about myself. I am 29 years old, so yes I'm reasonably young. I grew up in a small country town and I'm back living in my hometown on a family farm now. I live in a conservative area, I believe it's been Liberal/National for as long as I've lived. I also have a Liberal Premier in NSW. I'm fine with admitting I have some bias, however I'm not a Coalition/National voter as such in fact I'm not a fan of either of the current leaders in my district and state. I like Scomo though. I moved to Melbourne/Geelong to do my training in agriculture after I left school (which is where I sprung a real love for the Western Bulldogs). This certainly exposed me to different viewpoints both political and in life. I've seen that city dwellers see things very differently to country folk. And a lot of the time we speak on totally different issues.

As for what I watch and listen to. I do probably listen to more American Media then I do Australian to be honest. In the mainstream American media side of things, I think it's been well established I like listening to Tucker Carlson. People here are implying he's a conspiracy theorist. Well if that's true, for a conspiracy theorist, he's right a lot from what I've seen. He's also someone that has different people on with complete differing opinions like ANTIFA for example which is a very left group... I have tried listening to CNN, but I just can't tolerate it. I can tolerate MSNBC to a degree, just don't make me listen to Rachel Maddow! I do read a bit of New York Times too, they have some good journalists.

On independent media (youtube), Tim Pool is someone I've listened to a fair bit. In his own words he's a left of centre, milk toast fence sitter. Even though he's left leaning, he calls out the left media a lot and the Democrats. Perhaps this is part of where my dislike for left American media comes from. He does call out Fox and the Republican's sometimes too though. I think he's got a fair bit of credibility as he's worked at some pretty big media organisations and played a big part in them. He's someone that cares about the truth more so then what any of the mainstream media outlets do IMO... Apart from that I like watching PraguerU videos. They look at things more from a philosophical point of view, but yeah they are conservatives. Steven Crowder I find funny, he's kind of like a late night talk show host only right wing.

As for Australian Media, I do listen to a lot of ABC radio which I find is left leaning. It does have some very good programs on the rural side. Alan Jones has some good opinions on the rural side of things as well.. I waver with Andrew Bolt, I think he tries too hard and generally has people that agree with him too much. I always take the time to listen to Martin Ilyes of the Australian Christian Lobby though. Yep I'm a Christian. He brings up a lot of social/moral issues on politics, a lot of things mainstream media doesn't cover.

So why do I think the country is moving too far to the left? Well the main issues for me are

- I'm very against euthanasia and abortion, I'm a strong believer in the preservation of life

- I'm very against what's happening in our schools. I think we are confusing our kids with this gender fluidity stuff and over sexualizing our kids. Drag Queen story time is insane. If someone wants to make that decision as an adult, that's fine. Just don't practice it at schools

- I believe in a multi ethnic Australia, not in a multi cultural Australia. I think people from different cultures should adopt our culture if they want to live here. A lot of European nations are having a lot of problems going down this road as it doesn't create a lot of unity, in fact it can create a lot of disunity when cultures start clashing

- I think political correctness is getting out of hand. It's getting harder to air your beliefs and to criticise certain ideas. People are losing their jobs over certain religious beliefs

- I don't know if this is a left or right thing, but I thought I'd mention it. I'm also an advocate against the trafficking of prostitutes. Australia is one of the top 20 trafficking destinations in the world. There's stories of women being forced to work in brothels from 9am to 11pm every day of the week. We are advocating for the Nordic model (used in Scandinavian countries) to be introduced which criminalises the purchase of sex and creates easy pathways for trafficked women to exit without fear of prosecution.

As for bitter politics and the lies. I agree. The problem is it's on both sides as I stated in an earlier post on this thread. Social media hasn't helped and the lines are blurred between opinion and fact.

Anyway that's a bit about me and my point of view. There's other things, but I'll leave it at that. At the end of the day I think we still live in a great country and we can air our views with a lot of freedom. I do fear we are losing our Identity as a nation though.

I suspect you and I would disagree on quite a large number of things, but just wanted to commend your willingness to clearly explain what you think and where you're coming from.
 
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