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Daniel Andrews wont take the slightest bit of notice of that unless it suits HIM.....has already stated that unlikely to let us out on the 19th Oct due to the still existing risks. Yeah right. BS.

This bloke really does have the credentials for a dictator. He and his mate the Health bloke, Brett Sutton are loving the power they hold right now..

There are 5mil people in Melb, so even if 1mil are flouting the rules, 4mil of us are doing the right thing.

..and let me tell you, 4mil people have had enough. I seriously would love to break these restrictions but I can't afford the fines ..
 

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Daniel Andrews wont take the slightest bit of notice of that unless it suits HIM.....has already stated that unlikely to let us out on the 19th Oct due to the still existing risks. Yeah right. BS.

This bloke really does have the credentials for a dictator. He and his mate the Health bloke, Brett Sutton are loving the power they hold right now..

There are 5mil people in Melb, so even if 1mil are flouting the rules, 4mil of us are doing the right thing.

..and let me tell you, 4mil people have had enough. I seriously would love to break these restrictions but I can't afford the fines ..
he will have to as all the rest of the school kids go back 26th, we will be driving our daughter to school and picking her up and her school is a lot further away than 5km. So the 5km enforcement is no longer sustainable.
 

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Daniel Andrews wont take the slightest bit of notice of that unless it suits HIM.....has already stated that unlikely to let us out on the 19th Oct due to the still existing risks. Yeah right. BS.

This bloke really does have the credentials for a dictator. He and his mate the Health bloke, Brett Sutton are loving the power they hold right now..

There are 5mil people in Melb, so even if 1mil are flouting the rules, 4mil of us are doing the right thing.

..and let me tell you, 4mil people have had enough. I seriously would love to break these restrictions but I can't afford the fines ..
MacMum At this stage I’m not sure it’s about who isn’t doing the right thing. Sure there are quite a few not abiding but I’m far more worried that the Gov doesn’t think they can safely let us open up until less than 5 cases a week. I seriously doubt the gov wants to keep us closed down atm either.

The fact that they are though speaks to a total lack of confidence in their ability to contact trace, test and isolate cases, especially in high risk professions, even when daily cases are steady in the teens. The tail end of new cases now is at least partially due to outbreaks in health worker cases.

Imo there’s been far too much focus on who is/isn’t following rules and on enforcement and who was responsible for hiring the security guards for hotel quarantine, and not nearly enough on asking why Victoria’s contact tracing is seemingly so much less capable than NSW.
 

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MacMum At this stage I’m not sure it’s about who isn’t doing the right thing. Sure there are quite a few not abiding but I’m far more worried that the Gov doesn’t think they can safely let us open up until less than 5 cases a week. I seriously doubt the gov wants to keep us closed down atm either.

The fact that they are though speaks to a total lack of confidence in their ability to contact trace, test and isolate cases, especially in high risk professions, even when daily cases are steady in the teens. The tail end of new cases now is at least partially due to outbreaks in health worker cases.

Imo there’s been far too much focus on who is/isn’t following rules and on enforcement and who was responsible for hiring the security guards for hotel quarantine, and not nearly enough on asking why Victoria’s contact tracing is seemingly so much less capable than NSW.
I think the simple answer is numbers. It's a lot easier to contact trace when you've never gotten close to triple digits in a day (NSW, haven't checked this but I don't recall them ever getting that high) as opposed to getting up to close to 800 (again from memory) in a day and trying to work it downwards.
 

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I think the simple answer is numbers. It's a lot easier to contact trace when you've never gotten close to triple digits in a day (NSW, haven't checked this but I don't recall them ever getting that high) as opposed to getting up to close to 800 (again from memory) in a day and trying to work it downwards.
I’m not talking about triple figures daily - at that point I completely agree that it’s behind the point at which contact tracing is useful.

But there is clearly a lack of confidence at lower levels of daily cases - we have less than 200 active in Vic, and the 14 day average is less than 15. This is pretty illustrative of the diff between Nsw and Vic:


I’m not advocating lifting lockdown until it’s safe to do so or calling Andrews a dictator. I’m someone who votes left of centre. But I can’t have blind faith at the moment when no one has explained how Vic will be able to better handle the next set of cases once restrictions ease and avoid lockdown 3.
 

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Looking forward to the name of the person who lied in SA being made public given the standard set by the Courier Mail.
which would result in a public lynching ... so while they need to be dealt with by the police, public naming will only end badly
 

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Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement
 

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When will all this ridiculous point scoring, who is doing it better and the do's and don'ts etc between states end!

We here in Vic are waiting to see if Dictator Dan gets his permanant powers bill through......and you guys up there are dealing with Queen Anna.

Nephew,wife and 2yr old moving up to Townsville today, fly out later today.....have been Covid tested including 2yr old, are double vaxxed, all required permits, private 2wk quarantine arranged, her parents dropping off a car for them to pick up at airport. Have gone out of their way to do all the right things. No problems.

This morning as they were doing last minute packing, they get a phone call from QLD POLICE (yes, Police) checking what permits they have, where they were staying, how they are getting there, what vaccinations they have and if Covid tested and what employment he was going to! (he has a job)

Seriously?

Is this really what our once free and great country has come too?
 
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When will all this ridiculous point scoring, who is doing it better and the do's and don'ts etc between states end!

We here in Vic are waiting to see if Dictator Dan gets his permanant powers bill through......and you guys up there are dealing with Queen Anna.

Nephew,wife and 2yr old moving to Townsville today, fly out later today.....have been Covid tested including 2yr old, are double vaxxed, all required permits, private 2wk quarantine arranged, her parents dropping off a car for them to pick up at airport. Have gone out of their way to do all the right things. No problems.

This morning as they were doing last minute packing, they get a phone call from QLD POLICE (yes, Police) checking what permits they have, where they were staying, how they are getting there, what vaccinations they have and if Covid tested!

Seriously?

Is this really what our once free and great country has come too?
Personally i would much rather a call from the Police to make sure everything is in order to enter the State you are travelling to
Police do all sorts of things in the community not just chase up criminals if that's what first came to you and your Nephew's family's mind
Quite a few people have been caught out at the Airports and borders with the incorrect paperwork
Much rather the call from the Police rather than to be sent back home upon arrival
Also some are getting their test too early.
Now that may be for overseas travel i am not quite sure on that. However it may also be for interstate travel
 

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A few months ago I probably would have agreed with you.....not now though as the figures show that this thing is not going away and we have opened up most of the borders, we have to learn to live with it by getting vaxxed and taking our own precautions by still being vigilant i.e masks, hand hygeine and keeping a distance if possible when talking to people....if people choose not to do those things then fine but consequences are on them.

At this stage of the virus all we should have to show is our QR and vaxx record. We have to get people travelling, open all boarders to come and go like we did before but with a couple of tweeks like I mentioned, nothing more and the economy needs it too.....but to have Police doing check-ups on people now is abborant imo....as my old mum said it like back in the Nazi days.

Police should be doing Police work like catching crims, solving crimes.....we are not a Police governed nation and should never at any stage get to that.

(and there were Police everywhere checking people at the airport when family landed last night too. Terrible, it was done before they left. Just had a phone call to say they have had a call this morning to make sure they arrived, are where they said they would be and will get called every day to check in. Geezuz, way way over the top treatment now, early days of the virus yes, not now! Unbelievable. Family do need to do several Covid tests while in lockup, no problem with that though)

Thats all it should be, QR, vaxx and testing.
 
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A few months ago I probably would have agreed with you.....not now though as the figures show that this thing is not going away and we have opened up most of the borders, we have to learn to live with it by getting vaxxed and taking our own precautions by still being vigilant i.e masks, hand hygeine and keeping a distance if possible when talking to people....if people choose not to do those things then fine but consequences are on them.

At this stage of the virus all we should have to show is our QR and vaxx record. We have to get people travelling, open all boarders to come and go like we did before but with a couple of tweeks like I mentioned, nothing more and the economy needs it too.....but to have Police doing check-ups on people now is abborant imo....as my old mum said it like back in the Nazi days.

Police should be doing Police work like catching crims, solving crimes.....we are not a Police governed nation and should never at any stage get to that.

(and there were Police everywhere checking people at the airport when family landed last night too. Terrible, it was done before they left. Just had a phone call to say they have had a call this morning to make sure they arrived, are where they said they would be and will get called every day to check in. Geezuz, way way over the top treatment now, early days of the virus yes, not now! Unbelievable. Family do need to do several Covid tests while in lockup, no problem with that though)

Thats all it should be, QR, vaxx and testing.
Than fine down in Vic but Qld haven’t opened the borders yet.
 

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Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement
So what does that mean for the non medical people here?
 

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A few months ago I probably would have agreed with you.....not now though as the figures show that this thing is not going away and we have opened up most of the borders, we have to learn to live with it by getting vaxxed and taking our own precautions by still being vigilant i.e masks, hand hygeine and keeping a distance if possible when talking to people....if people choose not to do those things then fine but consequences are on them.

At this stage of the virus all we should have to show is our QR and vaxx record. We have to get people travelling, open all boarders to come and go like we did before but with a couple of tweeks like I mentioned, nothing more and the economy needs it too.....but to have Police doing check-ups on people now is abborant imo....as my old mum said it like back in the Nazi days.

Police should be doing Police work like catching crims, solving crimes.....we are not a Police governed nation and should never at any stage get to that.

(and there were Police everywhere checking people at the airport when family landed last night too. Terrible, it was done before they left. Just had a phone call to say they have had a call this morning to make sure they arrived, are where they said they would be and will get called every day to check in. Geezuz, way way over the top treatment now, early days of the virus yes, not now! Unbelievable. Family do need to do several Covid tests while in lockup, no problem with that though)

Thats all it should be, QR, vaxx and testing.
Regarding the bolded
I get it that you believe everything is over the top getting into Queensland but the Nazi reference now that is a bit over the top.
Police everywhere at the Airport. Good to see as everyone would have been processed quicker than if say only two officers present
Called every day to check on them. That and other things would have been well known before they started on this travel before December 17th when things will change
The alternative was the dreaded hotel quarantine so a much better scenario for people wanting to move now. But things will change Dec 17th or earlier

Looking to the near future i agree that Qld, WA, SA, NT, will have to look at streamlining border entry requirements. But will they??.

However until we return to no restrictions:-
I think a Vaccine passport should be enough for air travel together with a confirmed text that covid 19 test is negative. Maybe a follow up test if coming from a hotspot.
Road border restrictions are another thing altogether. You either police them or you don't. If you don't then fines with spot checks are the only way to stop people doing the wrong thing. And plenty of people will do the wrong thing
Queensland will reduce restrictions by 17th December but it is the period after that is a bit of a concern
The talk is 90% double vaxed. Why do politicians from all parties think it needs to be a number that ends in a Zero. First it was 70, then 80 now 90
I think 85% is a number that is now achievable for 12 years + fairly soon. But 90 % is estimated to be Jan/Feb in Queensland not sure about the other states
All states have now passed the 85% of 16 +years first dose. By Dec 17th all States should pass 80%
Of course 5 to 11 year old's unlikely to get TGA approval until Jan 2022

I am hopeful that most things will be back to normality by Jan 2022 unless that South Africa variant arrives
 
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So what does that mean for the non medical people here?
I had a read through it and there is a lot of medical and mathematical terminology that is over my head but this is the last sentence from the abstract that pricked my curiosity >

We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.
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I can not access the whole article so don't know the full context of that sentence.
 

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Below taken from health.gov.au
Dated 26/11/2021
Looks like a very good take up in the 12-15 years group in a short period of time
1st dose 75.5% 2nd dose 65%

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So what does that mean for the non medical people here?
Roughly, it looks to be claiming to help explain certain rare side-effects which have already been noticed.

It is extremely preliminary - giving a talk on a subject at a conference is generally a step short of actually publishing a paper (a quite considerable step short, except in computer science). However, this abstract of a conference talk has some issues:
Soon after publication of the above abstract in Circulation, it was brought to the American Heart Association Committee on Scientific Sessions Program’s attention that there are potential errors in the abstract. Specifically, there are several typographical errors, there is no data in the abstract regarding myocardial T-cell infiltration, there are no statistical analyses for significance provided, and the author is not clear that only anecdotal data was used.
We are publishing this Expression of Concern until a suitable correction is published to indicate that the abstract in its current version may not be reliable.
- https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/CIR.0000000000001051
There are further problems. The PULS test is not a test of inflammation per se - but rather a test for the expression of a panel of 9 proteins which whose expression is, together, dubiously predictive of cardiac events (many medical tests are like that - that's not bad in and of itself, but you need to remember what you're measuring because it may become important later). The abstract only mentions three of them, however. Which is odd (some might say, "suspicious"). The error bars on these numbers are also extremely wide - it's a weak, preliminary study.

Then you get onto what this actual means. IL-16, for example, encodes for a protein which is... wait for it... part of the immune response. Perhaps it's also elevated for reasons to do with heart disease, but finding a protein associated with the immune response is elevated right after you get a vaccine is, um, not surprising. And not, in and of itself, indicative any way of a heart problem. More that you got a vaccine that was doing its job.

Ok, so let's go onto soluable Fas.
wikipedia said:
Fas ligand/receptor interactions play an important role in the regulation of the immune system and the progression of cancer.
Ok, but surely hepatocyte growth factor isn't also part of the immune system?
wikipedia said:
It is secreted by mesenchymal cells and targets and acts primarily upon epithelial cells and endothelial cells...
Oh, phew. Wait, what did I put those dots there for?
the rest of the sentence said:
Son of a...


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tl;dr: typo-laden abstract for a poster finds, with low statistical power, that patients in an uncontrolled study who got a vaccine had, several weeks later, biomarkers associated with "getting a vaccine".
 

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https://www.fiveaa.com.au/show/rowe...-condition-after-covid-jab-reports-rowey/?amp

“A Crows top-up player two weeks ago got his first COVID jab… he presented symptoms to the club doctor who acted immediately and sent him to the RAH… after testing he was diagnosed with pericarditis… it’s the swelling of the outer tissue of the heart, it’s scary…

“He spent a day in hospital… his cardiologist has said for three months no exercise and he’s on medication.

“Our understanding after a number of phone calls today – his prognosis is very good. He’ll make a full recovery and I say thank God.
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I'd be extremely anxious if that was my daughter/son, anything to do with the heart is worrying.. lets hope the bolded is indeed the case.
 

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https://www.fiveaa.com.au/show/rowe...-condition-after-covid-jab-reports-rowey/?amp

“A Crows top-up player two weeks ago got his first COVID jab… he presented symptoms to the club doctor who acted immediately and sent him to the RAH… after testing he was diagnosed with pericarditis… it’s the swelling of the outer tissue of the heart, it’s scary…

“He spent a day in hospital… his cardiologist has said for three months no exercise and he’s on medication.

“Our understanding after a number of phone calls today – his prognosis is very good. He’ll make a full recovery and I say thank God.
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I'd be extremely anxious if that was my daughter/son, anything to do with the heart is worrying.. lets hope the bolded is indeed the case.
Pretty sure blood clots and cardiac arrest are just a sign the vax is working.
 

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