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I was going to post an extended version of this post to my club, and to NMFC prior to the Good Friday game. But that won't be happening so....
My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus. There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying you taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you do so every day. Some days they had to treat patients in the corridors in the children's hospital because they'd run out of beds. The RCH in Melbourne is one of the leading children's hospitals in the world; it largely functions because of the amazing charitable donations Victorians give every year. Thank you Victorians. You saved my daughter's life. You pay for her continued cardiac treathment.....
One awful day two doctors and four nurses had to work frantically busily, yet with an eerie calm that only comes with experience & training, to save a teenage boy's life in the ICU corridor because they'd run out of beds. This was at the height of the flu season in 2017. It was a bad flu year, but you don't appreciate what that means unless you hang out in an ICU ward of a public hospital for a winter. Actually when I say save his life, he may well have died because you don't talk about that stuff in ICU. I did look into his mother's eyes and it's a look you don't want to see. Then again, she probably saw the same look in my eyes, because it was there every day as my daughter struggled between life and death after the virus destroyed a large part of her heart function...
I was going to send a longer version of this to Bev & the Bulldogs, and to North Melbourne FC, prior to the Good Friday game but it seems superfluous now.
My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus.
There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying your taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you continue to do so every day.
Some days they had to treat patients in the corridors in the children's hospital because they'd run out of beds. The RCH in Melbourne is one of the leading children's hospitals in the world; it largely functions because of the amazing charitable donations Victorians give every year. Thank you Victorians. You saved my daughter's life. You pay for her continued cardiac treatment..... One day two doctors and four nurses had to work frantically busily, yet with an eerie calm that only comes with experience & training, to save a teenage boy's life in the ICU corridor. Actually when I say save his life, he may well have died because you don't talk about that stuff in ICU. I did look into his mother's eyes and it's a look you don't want to see. Then again, she probably saw the same look in my eyes, because it was there every day as my daughter struggled between life and death after the virus destroyed a large part of her heart function...
When you die from coronavirus there won't be any family there. You'll die alone and the last faces you see are strange doctors and nurses. You'll be conscious right up to the end, because the virus overwhelms your lungs and heart before your brain dies. You'll drown in your own phlegm. The doctors and nurses will be so exhausted and overwhelmed they will not even text your family to tell them you have died, because there are so many half-dead corpses and bodies all over the hospital they can't even identify them. I found this out by watching the news from Europe on SBS this morning. They don't tell you this on channel 7 or channel 9 because it is too upsetting for you.
I am telling you this not shame you or scare you, you will be scared in a week's time. I am telling you this because you can still change.
My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus. There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying you taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you do so every day. Some days they had to treat patients in the corridors in the children's hospital because they'd run out of beds. The RCH in Melbourne is one of the leading children's hospitals in the world; it largely functions because of the amazing charitable donations Victorians give every year. Thank you Victorians. You saved my daughter's life. You pay for her continued cardiac treathment.....
One awful day two doctors and four nurses had to work frantically busily, yet with an eerie calm that only comes with experience & training, to save a teenage boy's life in the ICU corridor because they'd run out of beds. This was at the height of the flu season in 2017. It was a bad flu year, but you don't appreciate what that means unless you hang out in an ICU ward of a public hospital for a winter. Actually when I say save his life, he may well have died because you don't talk about that stuff in ICU. I did look into his mother's eyes and it's a look you don't want to see. Then again, she probably saw the same look in my eyes, because it was there every day as my daughter struggled between life and death after the virus destroyed a large part of her heart function...
I was going to send a longer version of this to Bev & the Bulldogs, and to North Melbourne FC, prior to the Good Friday game but it seems superfluous now.
My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus.
There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying your taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you continue to do so every day.
Some days they had to treat patients in the corridors in the children's hospital because they'd run out of beds. The RCH in Melbourne is one of the leading children's hospitals in the world; it largely functions because of the amazing charitable donations Victorians give every year. Thank you Victorians. You saved my daughter's life. You pay for her continued cardiac treatment..... One day two doctors and four nurses had to work frantically busily, yet with an eerie calm that only comes with experience & training, to save a teenage boy's life in the ICU corridor. Actually when I say save his life, he may well have died because you don't talk about that stuff in ICU. I did look into his mother's eyes and it's a look you don't want to see. Then again, she probably saw the same look in my eyes, because it was there every day as my daughter struggled between life and death after the virus destroyed a large part of her heart function...
When you die from coronavirus there won't be any family there. You'll die alone and the last faces you see are strange doctors and nurses. You'll be conscious right up to the end, because the virus overwhelms your lungs and heart before your brain dies. You'll drown in your own phlegm. The doctors and nurses will be so exhausted and overwhelmed they will not even text your family to tell them you have died, because there are so many half-dead corpses and bodies all over the hospital they can't even identify them. I found this out by watching the news from Europe on SBS this morning. They don't tell you this on channel 7 or channel 9 because it is too upsetting for you.
I am telling you this not shame you or scare you, you will be scared in a week's time. I am telling you this because you can still change.
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Thankfully all the borders are now closed except NSW and Victoria probably .So every state except the genius ones are now an island.
If you think its fine for 1,000 Germans in a cruise ship to magiclly get coronavirus through no fault of their own and lie about the numbers of infected on the ship and turn up at this time in a city of 2.5 million that is making big sacrifices and doing their best to save themselves from going down.There is no point talking to you honestly .
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Bryce Gibbs.
They are only testing you if you've
- been overseas
- been in contact with a confirmed case
- are a health professional with a cough and a fever.
They may have expanded the parameters but for some time these were the only ones
They're only testing people who travelled overseas, have been in direct contact with a confirmed case, or are a symptomatic health care professional.
The virus has been brought in from overseas, so of course the vast majority of initial tests will be done on those from o'seas and only once they're confirmed, those who've been in contact with them will qualify for a test, so the results represent the testing criteria more than the actual population.
The <10% would either be health care professionals, or be those who've matched the criteria by coming into contact with someone who came into contact with someone who was overseas, which if the test criteria was broadened, would be just the tip of the iceberg.
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I know. The bolded part was what I was trying to prompt Monkey King into realising he hadn't taken into account when he launched into his invective.
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I think you're missing the point I was making. You said that the only people they were testing was people who had been overseas or people who had contact with people who had recently traveled overseas. However they also test people who have been in contact with confirmed cases regardless of any travel considerations. There has been local transmission in Australia for a while now.
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Mate, imagine if the shoe was on the other foot?
I know someone on a cruise ship stuck in the south of France, who along with 250,000 other Australians worldwide wants to get home.
These ships are setup to treat a few sick people. not 1/2 the ship needing care, so we need to get them off somewhere.
I live in Tassie and we have had the same issues here but unfortunately with an economy so driven by tourism, you live by the sword....
In times like these we need to stop thinking state based etc, and simply think about the human race as a whole.
No mate sorry. You lack inferential thinking and I've wasted enough time explaining it to you.
Simply put, it's disingenuous to quote those figures as though they represent the actual state of affairs, when more than anything, they represent the testing criteria.
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All these types say that.I was told WA had community spread three or four weeks ago.The numbers needing hospital treatment would be much higher than the twelve or so that it is right now.So you know don't waste your time with them.
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It wouldn't be on the other foot because I am not some ignorant arrogant arsehole who would be on a cruise ship in another country anytime in the last six weeks.Those people are a dead set liability to everyone in the world.
Did the Pacific Princess give your mate a clue.? Australians overseas have had a month to get back .I think the door is shut now.
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What is the end game here? I read an article on one of the news sites that said this won't end until a vaccine is developed or 80% of the population contract and recover. The second option could take six months to two years at the current rate? (I can't remember how to calculate that)
China thinks they have a handle on it after only 80000 cases? Are they going back to work?
China thinks they have a handle on it after only 80000 cases? Are they going back to work?
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But as I just explained to you they don't. Just face it, you ironically said they'd said something stupid (when they hadn't) and then went on to say something 'incorrect' yourself.
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They seem to be but how much can we trust what they say?
My mate left over 3 weeks ago, and although I didn't think it was a good idea he went, opinion was 50/50 on whether he should go or not.
3 weeks ago the Pacific Princess thing hadn't happened and the only country outside China with scary numbers was Italy.
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Your thinking of the Ruby Princess.The one I meant was the one with 700 corona infections and 8 deaths 6 weeks ago .
Most of the countries in the world are in lockdown right now .People are not getting in or out regardless of their nationality. Thats just the way it is now.If the Australian government can help they might.But no country is taking in cruise ships.Except WA for some back door handshake with the NSW click that run this country reason it seems.I wish him the best but he just has to lockdown and do his best to stay safe.If some good comes from taking in these Germans then good.We will find out tomorrow how many of them are corona positive.It might be a few hundred.It might only be forty but they are an unnessasary stress and time consumer at exactly the worst time for WA.imo
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The only reliable, quantifiable data in Aus imo will be how many people are hospitalised/dead from covid. We're just not testing enough people and the symptoms are too inconsistent. But as I said in an earlier post, all my friends seem to know at least one person in Melbourne who's infected- not a great sign
Its good we are humanitarian enough to not just leave them on the ship to rot. ( i notice they didn't get taken in at Singapore ).
Repeating stuff about idiot Germans is very poor IMO.
Anyone who thinks they were ignorant is in fact ignorant themselves, this is not 50:50 three weeks ago.
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Not one of us here would have warned them not to get on this ship.
Back door? Maybe the States are working together to find the best place with the best resources to handle it.
A lot of squabbling over numbers. This is an unrelenting pandemic involving a disease that can silently spread amongst masses. It’s very sad about isolated cases of infections spreading on ships and they deserve all the necessary treatment but unfortunately every country will be looking out for their own people and not want to expose or open the door for a further opportunity for the disease to spread. Simply put, we are in $hit times, people.
Midnight makes sense to me, but so long as it is the same time each day that's good enough.
Why the federal heath department are using 3pm, I don't know. It does make things a bit odd when reports are from different times and considered "the count" for tht day.
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A letter to the UK from Italy: this is what we know about your future
An author in Rome describes what to expect based on her experiences of lockdown
A letter to the UK from Italy: this is what we know about your future
An author in Rome describes what to expect based on her experiences of lockdown
Francesca Melandri
Sat 28 Mar 2020 00.36 AEDTLast modified on Sat 28 Mar 2020 14.59 AEDT
A deserted Rome: ‘We are but a few steps ahead of you in the path of time.’ Photograph: Stefano Montesi/Corbis via Getty Images
The acclaimed Italian novelist Francesca Melandri, who has been under lockdown in Rome for almost three weeks due to the Covid-19 outbreak, has written a letter to fellow Europeans “from your future”, laying out the range of emotions people are likely to go through over the coming weeks.
I am writing to you from Italy, which means I am writing from your future. We are now where you will be in a few days. The epidemic’s charts show us all entwined in a parallel dance.
We are but a few steps ahead of you in the path of time, just like Wuhan was a few weeks ahead of us. We watch you as you behave just as we did. You hold the same arguments we did until a short time ago, between those who still say “it’s only a flu, why all the fuss?” and those who have already understood.
As we watch you from here, from your future, we know that many of you, as you were told to lock yourselves up into your homes, quoted Orwell, some even Hobbes. But soon you’ll be too busy for that.
First of all, you’ll eat. Not just because it will be one of the few last things that you can still do.
You’ll find dozens of social networking groups with tutorials on how to spend your free time in fruitful ways. You will join them all, then ignore them completely after a few days.
You’ll pull apocalyptic literature out of your bookshelves, but will soon find you don’t really feel like reading any of it.
You’ll eat again. You will not sleep well. You will ask yourselves what is happening to democracy.
You’ll have an unstoppable online social life – on Messenger, WhatsApp, Skype, Zoom…
You will miss your adult children like you never have before; the realisation that you have no idea when you will ever see them again will hit you like a punch in the chest.
Old resentments and falling-outs will seem irrelevant. You will call people you had sworn never to talk to ever again, so as to ask them: “How are you doing?” Many women will be beaten in their homes.
You will wonder what is happening to all those who can’t stay home because they don’t have one. You will feel vulnerable when going out shopping in the deserted streets, especially if you are a woman. You will ask yourselves if this is how societies collapse. Does it really happen so fast? You’ll block out these thoughts and when you get back home you’ll eat again.
You will put on weight. You’ll look for online fitness training.
You’ll laugh. You’ll laugh a lot. You’ll flaunt a gallows humour you never had before. Even people who’ve always taken everything dead seriously will contemplate the absurdity of life, of the universe and of it all.
You will make appointments in the supermarket queues with your friends and lovers, so as to briefly see them in person, all the while abiding by the social distancing rules.
You will count all the things you do not need.
The true nature of the people around you will be revealed with total clarity. You will have confirmations and surprises.
Literati who had been omnipresent in the news will disappear, their opinions suddenly irrelevant; some will take refuge in rationalisations which will be so totally lacking in empathy that people will stop listening to them. People whom you had overlooked, instead, will turn out to be reassuring, generous, reliable, pragmatic and clairvoyant.
Those who invite you to see all this mess as an opportunity for planetary renewal will help you to put things in a larger perspective. You will also find them terribly annoying: nice, the planet is breathing better because of the halved CO2 emissions, but how will you pay your bills next month?
You will not understand if witnessing the birth of a new world is more a grandiose or a miserable affair.
You will play music from your windows and lawns. When you saw us singing opera from our balconies, you thought “ah, those Italians”. But we know you will sing uplifting songs to each other too. And when you blast I Will Survive from your windows, we’ll watch you and nod just like the people of Wuhan, who sung from their windows in February, nodded while watching us.
Many of you will fall asleep vowing that the very first thing you’ll do as soon as lockdown is over is file for divorce.
Many children will be conceived.
Your children will be schooled online. They’ll be horrible nuisances; they’ll give you joy.
Elderly people will disobey you like rowdy teenagers: you’ll have to fight with them in order to forbid them from going out, to get infected and die.
You will try not to think about the lonely deaths inside the ICU.
You’ll want to cover with rose petals all medical workers’ steps.
You will be told that society is united in a communal effort, that you are all in the same boat. It will be true. This experience will change for good how you perceive yourself as an individual part of a larger whole.
Class, however, will make all the difference. Being locked up in a house with a pretty garden or in an overcrowded housing project will not be the same. Nor is being able to keep on working from home or seeing your job disappear. That boat in which you’ll be sailing in order to defeat the epidemic will not look the same to everyone nor is it actually the same for everyone: it never was.
At some point, you will realise it’s tough. You will be afraid. You will share your fear with your dear ones, or you will keep it to yourselves so as not to burden them with it too.
You will eat again.
We’re in Italy, and this is what we know about your future. But it’s just small-scale fortune-telling. We are very low-key seers.
If we turn our gaze to the more distant future, the future which is unknown both to you and to us too, we can only tell you this: when all of this is over, the world won’t be the same.
© Francesca Melandri 2020
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We're testing more per capita than any other country?
Well we were, not sure if that holds the last couple of days.
And none of my friends know anyone infected - that's a great sign?
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