Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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Australian stats page:

Australian Coronavirus Stats

Latest COVID-19 stats from Australia.

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[bonddm]

Keep Victorians in Victoria:

Melbourne man tests positive after flying to Brisbane, Bundaberg for work

Queensland authorities believe the state's latest COVID-19 case, a Melbourne fruit picker, may have been in contact with 50 Queenslanders since he arrived on Monday.

www.smh.com.au

I hope they’ve double-checked this one, unlike in the case of Nathan Turner, when screaming from the rooftops that they had the youngest victim in Australia took precedence!

 

[Davey33]

All politically motivated it seems, even the scientists these days are activists.

The BIGGEST!

 

[Davey33]

But sweden still lost a lot of jobs. As well as deaths. Which would've happened here but would have also impacted industries other than hospitality and tourism which hasnt happened thanks to the lock-down

they should've just locked the borders at the beginning to anyone coming from ANY of the effected countries (i.e. China, Iran, Italy and YES that would've taken extra work by border control and airlines to IDENTIFY all travelers that had been in those countries but NOTHING compared to what they had to deal with as a result of not doing this ) with ENFORCED quarantine (like they do now in hotels or military bases somewhere) and this basically would have barely had an effect on anyone's lives here.
Potentially they could still eliminate/isolate community transmission and then enforce such a policy and life would return to NORMAL!
Right now the only ppl that are benefiting off this are the people who own ZOOM and other internet meeting companies.
Hopefully not too late for the government to work on implementing such policies.
Also, CROWDS could go back to the FOOTY!

 

[Davey33]

I eventually managed to cut through the hysteria and ascertain that that there are 3 new cases, 2 of whom are returned travellers!

Prep student with coronavirus causes Melbourne primary school to close

A prep student is one of Victoria's three latest coronavirus cases, forcing the school to shut and authorities to flag Melbourne's COVID-19 hotspots.

www.sbs.com.au

important to check that always.
seems like at least 80% of new cases are from overseas people whom are in quarantine which is to be expected.

 

[Davey33]

Let's organise a protest march that ends at the MCG. We could all social distance, just like the protest, AND watch the footy. That's my sort of protest.

Excellent idea.
Better yet they should arrange a protest at the MCG with the capacity full considering they're not social distancing on the streets anyhow.
Then we could arrange a game while the protest's going on. Win Win for the protest organizers and the AFL!
For good measure the first game could involve Collingwood

 

[queensberryrules]

Regarding the protests: good cause, bad time.

Unjust deaths of black people by police (in the streets or custody) occurred before Trump and will happen after. The time to go hard is after this pandemic has finished, not during it.

2019
9 unarmed blacks killed by police.
19 unarmed whites killed by police.
850 blacks killed by blacks.
Do Black Lives Matter to blacks?

 

[Coolangatta]

2019
9 unarmed blacks killed by police.
19 unarmed whites killed by police.
850 blacks killed by blacks.
Do Black Lives Matter to blacks?

Different issue, mate.

More whites are killed by cops because there's more white people in America.

Percentage of blacks killed by police and police acquittals is much higher.

That's the problem, cops getting away with this s**t, so people get hysterical.

Black-on-black death I'm guessing is largely a socio-economic issue which needs addressing but it's a separate issue and there's no one stopping anybody from starting a different movement about it.

Like I said, though, protesting during a pandemic isn't wise.

 

[queensberryrules]

Different issue, mate.

More whites are killed by cops because there's more white people in America.

Percentage of blacks killed by police and police acquittals is much higher.

That's the problem, cops getting away with this s**t, so people get hysterical.

Black-on-black death I'm guessing is largely a socio-economic issue which needs addressing but it's a separate issue and there's no one stopping anybody from starting a different movement about it.

Like I said, though, protesting during a pandemic isn't wise.

Compare as a ratio of total violent crime per ethnic group.

Absolute numbers need also to be used.

BoB killings causes are diverse. One key reason is breakdown of family unit, single parents, encouraged by ss check.

Compare BA versus Carribean Black crime stats in adjacent neighborhoods. Internal cultural problems are being underplayed.

 

[Vintage]

2019
9 unarmed blacks killed by police.
19 unarmed whites killed by police.
850 blacks killed by blacks.
Do Black Lives Matter to blacks?

Over 1000 Americans were killed by police in 2019, is it really true that less than 3% were unarmed?

edit: I found a site with 2015 data, 300 confirmed as unarmed, as well as many more who may have been unarmed. Whats the source of your stats?

 

[spenze]

I want you to describe how "herd immunity" works.

Firstly, he says "I'm shocked to be sitting here"

And before you know it, he is in France on a highly paid sabbatical

 

[Rasha]

Keep Victorians in Victoria:

Melbourne man tests positive after flying to Brisbane, Bundaberg for work

Queensland authorities believe the state's latest COVID-19 case, a Melbourne fruit picker, may have been in contact with 50 Queenslanders since he arrived on Monday.

www.smh.com.au

WA are third in Australia for current coronavirus cases.
This is despite the hard border closure keeping those nasty Vics out.

SA and NT succeeded in eliminating coronavirus but WA are still a fair way off from achieving that.

 

[Clems Knee]

WA are third in Australia for current coronavirus cases.
This is despite the hard border closure keeping those nasty Vics out.

SA and NT succeeded in eliminating coronavirus but WA are still a fair way off from achieving that.

Have a look at the cases, before you spit out your crap.
All cases in WA are quarantined arrivals. 20 of them are from one sheep ship. WA and SA have both had about a month since they had any community transmission - ie cases that weren’t from overseas arrivals. NT haven’t had any community transmissions.

Queensland also has borders, but apparently any seasonal worker can be exempt. And if the seasonal worker comes from Victoria, then he brings more than a s**t attitude. The Queensland CHO is concerned that he has come into contact with at least 50 Queenslanders while contagious.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Have a look at the cases, before you spit out your crap.
All cases in WA are quarantined arrivals. 20 of them are from one sheep ship. WA and SA have both had about a month since they had any community transmission - ie cases that weren’t from overseas arrivals. NT haven’t had any community transmissions.

Queensland also has borders, but apparently any seasonal worker can be exempt. And if the seasonal worker comes from Victoria, then he brings more than a s**t attitude. The Queensland CHO is concerned that he has come into contact with at least 50 Queenslanders while contagious.

Hilarious.

Read the bold bit, i would say that's a tad hypocritical.

 

[Rasha]

Have a look at the cases, before you spit out your crap.
All cases in WA are quarantined arrivals. 20 of them are from one sheep ship. WA and SA have both had about a month since they had any community transmission - ie cases that weren’t from overseas arrivals. NT haven’t had any community transmissions.

Most of the new cases in Victoria are returned travellers which is no different to what you said regarding WA's new cases.
Difference is that Victoria aimed to flatten the curve while WA aimed for elimination.

Please don't group WA with the NT and SA.
NT and SA have successfully eliminated coronavirus.
WA are still a fair way off from achieving that goal.

Queensland also has borders, but apparently any seasonal worker can be exempt. And if the seasonal worker comes from Victoria, then he brings more than a s**t attitude. The Queensland CHO is concerned that he has come into contact with at least 50 Queenslanders while contagious.

Queensland as of yesterday had only three active cases remaining and were close to joining NT and SA in successfully eliminating coronavirus.
However they may have screwed the pooch here with the seasonal worker.

 

[wagstaff]

Regarding the protests: good cause, bad time.

Unjust deaths of black people by police (in the streets or custody) occurred before Trump and will happen after. The time to go hard is after this pandemic has finished, not during it.

Exactly this. Saw one of the people at the rally interviewed about the COVID risk and she basically said attending the rally was worth it even if it meant she caught it.

After months of info about this are people still that complacent and arrogant? One of the biggest dangers with COVID is how easily you can spread it without even realizing you're carrying it.

 

[Clems Knee]

Most of the new cases in Victoria are returned travellers which is no different to what you said regarding WA's new cases.
Difference is that Victoria aimed to flatten the curve while WA aimed for elimination.

Please don't group WA with the NT and SA.
NT and SA have successfully eliminated coronavirus.
WA are still a fair way off from achieving that goal.



Queensland as of yesterday had only three active cases remaining and were close to joining NT and SA in successfully eliminating coronavirus.
However they may have screwed the pooch here with the seasonal worker.

I agree, most of the new cases in Victoria are from returned travellers. But not all of them. Victoria still has community transmissions, which is the problem.

This claim that Victoria aimed to flatten the curve, while WA aimed to eliminate the virus is untrue. If you can provide any quotes, I’d like to see them.

WA and SA are very similar. The difference in numbers of active cases is entirely due to the arrival of infected people from overseas. All have been isolated and have not spread to anyone else.

Queensland may have screwed the pooch because they allowed a Victorian into their state without first having 2 weeks quarantine.

 

[Rasha]

I agree, most of the new cases in Victoria are from returned travellers. But not all of them. Victoria still has community transmissions, which is the problem.

This claim that Victoria aimed to flatten the curve, while WA aimed to eliminate the virus is untrue. If you can provide any quotes, I’d like to see them.

WA and SA are very similar. The difference in numbers of active cases is entirely due to the arrival of infected people from overseas. All have been isolated and have not spread to anyone else.

Queensland may have screwed the pooch because they allowed a Victorian into their state without first having 2 weeks quarantine.

Once again WA are nothing like NT and SA which are actual coronavirus free jurisdictions.

Have a look at the recent trend in WA for active cases and you'll see that WA is nothing like NT and SA.

 

[ziad]

I agree, most of the new cases in Victoria are from returned travellers. But not all of them. Victoria still has community transmissions, which is the problem.

all in NSW are as well so I dont get the arguement other than peopel like to argue

 

[rumply]

 

[Clems Knee]

Once again WA are nothing like NT and SA which are actual coronavirus free jurisdictions.

Have a look at the recent trend in WA for active cases and you'll see that WA is nothing like NT and SA.

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Every case in WA for over a month has been from returned travellers.
If you don’t acknowledge that, that is a reflection on your ability to understand.

 

[Monkey King]

More whites are killed by cops because there's more white people in America.

Per capital is not the correct ratio measure to use here, it is per police encounter.

 

[Clems Knee]

all in NSW are as well so I dont get the arguement other than peopel like to argue

For a week or so, this is true. But WA and SA have had no community transmission for a month.

 

[Rasha]

Every case in WA for over a month has been from returned travellers.
If you don’t acknowledge that, that is a reflection on your ability to understand.

No different to Victoria but that hasn't stopped sandgroupers from labelling Victoria as a coronavirus epicentre.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

What's amazing is, I've seen several comments from certain people on social media outlets be pro lockdown due to the big bad scary coronavirus. Yet some of those same people also were all behind the protest taking place yesterday, breaking gathering numbers by the tens of thousands.

 

[Clems Knee]

No different to Victoria but that hasn't stopped sandgroupers from labelling Victoria as a coronavirus epicentre.

No. Victoria has had numerous clusters: McDonalds, Cedar Meats, schools etc. WA has had no clusters of community transmission.
Victoria is doing well to contain the spread, but when a contact of a cluster is not identified (as the seasonal worker should have been), that endangers other people, including those in other states.