Coronavirus, the draft and what happens if...

ScrappyDo

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Without a proper season to run off l think they'll just go with last year's finishing order.

Of the bottom 12 sides, it's a pretty reasonable order that represents where each club is at, the only real anomaly being Melbourne who traded their pick anyway.

The league will also be keen to see GC maximize their hand again, so a lottery is a no go...

Whilst there will inevitably be winners and losers in any scenario, the league will take the view that this draft will be so compromised by FS/NGA influences, that attempting to impose subjective fairness on the initial order will be a complete waste of time.

Having posted a zero win season GC will ask for another PP.
 

briztoon

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Without a proper season to run off l think they'll just go with last year's finishing order.

Of the bottom 12 sides, it's a pretty reasonable order that represents where each club is at, the only real anomaly being Melbourne who traded their pick anyway.

The league will also be keen to see GC maximize their hand again, so a lottery is a no go...

Whilst there will inevitably be winners and losers in any scenario, the league will take the view that this draft will be so compromised by FS/NGA influences, that attempting to impose subjective fairness on the initial order will be a complete waste of time.

Having posted a zero win season GC will ask for another PP.
They already received their 2020 PP and traded it to Geelong.
 

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This "Corona Crop" will feel hard done by but i don't think they will be overlooked. Just draft size will be compromised immensely with the soft caps taking a massive $3m hit and list sizes dropping is a certainty, i dare say a shortened version of the carnival may (if possible) be completed at seasons end, if not after, and a combine with more invitees than ever as clubs (at the end of the year) will really put as much time into who they are after than ever before with the lack of game vision and showcase time, and access to players for interviews during this time, as i believe the draft will only entail possibly only 2 picks per club and for some a slight chance of 3.Who knows for sure when and if the draft will take place, maybe nov/dec, maybe jan/feb. If all goes well next year and the year commences as normal (new normal, whatever that may be) the flow on effact will not compromise but slighty hinder to an extent the next 1 or 2 years of players coming through. more players (undrafted) will want another chance at 18's level as 19 yr olds (if thats how the competition continues to run) and some (u16's)who are coming through the underage levels will miss out on a chance to play up a level. the draft positions (if no games are played this year will stay exactly as they were when picks and positions were traded for during the draft last year, afl will say you trade for picks and change positions in the draft knowing you may win some and lose some, but as no games were played the order is as stands, they afl will not alter that or change the draft into lotteries, its to much fuss, too much to not avoid legal action from clubs, the order is already set and we wait to see how the year goes and where the ladder takes us, if no games are played and the ladders was unaffected the order is as was and stands. all of this is of course IMO
 

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Without a proper season to run off l think they'll just go with last year's finishing order.

Of the bottom 12 sides, it's a pretty reasonable order that represents where each club is at, the only real anomaly being Melbourne who traded their pick anyway.

The league will also be keen to see GC maximize their hand again, so a lottery is a no go...

Whilst there will inevitably be winners and losers in any scenario, the league will take the view that this draft will be so compromised by FS/NGA influences, that attempting to impose subjective fairness on the initial order will be a complete waste of time.

Having posted a zero win season GC will ask for another PP.
Good for Carlton but a pretty weak idea for everyone else.

A lottery or superdraft 21 would be better options
 

briztoon

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Good for Carlton but a pretty weak idea for everyone else.

A lottery or superdraft 21 would be better options
Pure guess, most fans would be against a lottery.

I’d sooner use bookie odds than a lottery.

Or 2019’s ladder position. And as a Lions fan, that gives us the second last pick in the draft.

North really benefit more than any other team.
 

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Pure guess, most fans would be against a lottery.

I’d sooner use bookie odds than a lottery.

Or 2019’s ladder position. And as a Lions fan, that gives us the second last pick in the draft.

North really benefit more than any other team.
They are not going to use bookmakers odds to form the draft order...
 

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briztoon

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Will make the matching of high end draft bids interesting.

Some teams might not be able to generate enough points to match a high end bid, and end up carrying a modest deficit in to the 2021 draft.

For other teams, there won’t be the incentive to trade down for multiple picks for points.

Over all, it might lessen the compromised nature of the draft.
 

CatToTheFuture

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Can academy clubs automatically prelist any age eligible kids?

i.e. Can the Dogs automatically prelist JUH for next year? Similarly can the northern clubs automatically prelist any of their kids who have graduated school?
If you allow that then you're telling clubs without academy kids they can't draft anyone at all while clubs with academies get to. Does not seem ideal
 

CatToTheFuture

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Without a proper season to run off l think they'll just go with last year's finishing order.

Of the bottom 12 sides, it's a pretty reasonable order that represents where each club is at, the only real anomaly being Melbourne who traded their pick anyway.

The league will also be keen to see GC maximize their hand again, so a lottery is a no go...

Whilst there will inevitably be winners and losers in any scenario, the league will take the view that this draft will be so compromised by FS/NGA influences, that attempting to impose subjective fairness on the initial order will be a complete waste of time.

Having posted a zero win season GC will ask for another PP.
Even a scrapped together season of 17 matches this year will be more reflective of where teams are at than last year's order. Even if you had to call it after 10 matches it would still be substantially better.

Could turn the NAB cup into a 3-4 week camp where everyone tests on the way in and is then played out in isolation. A few short round robin tourneys and some marathons/endurance tests. There's probably an old FIFO mining camp somewhere with an oval that you could turn around on the cheap.
 

briztoon

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Even a scrapped together season of 17 matches this year will be more reflective of where teams are at than last year's order. Even if you had to call it after 10 matches it would still be substantially better.

Could turn the NAB cup into a 3-4 week camp where everyone tests on the way in and is then played out in isolation. A few short round robin tourneys and some marathons/endurance tests. There's probably an old FIFO mining camp somewhere with an oval that you could turn around on the cheap.
If you read the article eDPS linked, Gil’s not very hopeful of any U18 games being played.

My guess is the AFL simply won’t have any money this year for anyone or anything else, other than the AFL.
 

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Good for Carlton but a pretty weak idea for everyone else.

A lottery or superdraft 21 would be better options
It has to be a lottery.

As a supporter of a team that has just started a rebuild, we need our top five picks this year AND next year. We don't want the drafts combined - a superdraft improves the depth of late first rounders and helps teams that are already competing.

Sorry, but we need those drafts to be seperate, so an early pick means more!
 

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IMO the AFL will do everything it can to get a 17 game season plus finals. They’ve spoken about going deep into the year. I think they’ll then have a draft probably January 2021 even if the draftees don’t get any games in. It’ll make things harder for recruiters that’s for sure.
 

CatToTheFuture

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If you read the article eDPS linked, Gil’s not very hopeful of any U18 games being played.

My guess is the AFL simply won’t have any money this year for anyone or anything else, other than the AFL.
Fair enough. Maybe merging this and the next draft may be the best option. Bummer that the cats have like 10 to delist and no draftees this year if that's the case. If club lists get trimmed to 30 players the cats might even delist more and throw some lifelines around.
 

CatToTheFuture

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It has to be a lottery.

As a supporter of a team that has just started a rebuild, we need our top five picks this year AND next year. We don't want the drafts combined - a superdraft improves the depth of late first rounders and helps teams that are already competing.

Sorry, but we need those drafts to be seperate, so an early pick means more!
I actually think that would improve your hand not diminish it, you have a lot of mid range picks that would effectively become second rounders
 

ScrappyDo

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Even a scrapped together season of 17 matches this year will be more reflective of where teams are at than last year's order. Even if you had to call it after 10 matches it would still be substantially better.

Could turn the NAB cup into a 3-4 week camp where everyone tests on the way in and is then played out in isolation. A few short round robin tourneys and some marathons/endurance tests. There's probably an old FIFO mining camp somewhere with an oval that you could turn around on the cheap.
There will come a time where the AFL will just elect to cut their losses on 2020 and get on with the business of 2021.
I suspect if things don't restart very shortly after this current hiatus then that will be the end of it.
Last year's order still has some integrity about it.
If you're going to run off 10 games it's asking for trouble from the clubs.
State junior carnivals can probably go ahead at some point, as can the draft combines.

Last year's order is easily the best option if they can't run a reason most of a season..
 

CatToTheFuture

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There will come a time where the AFL will just elect to cut their losses on 2020 and get on with the business of 2021.
I suspect if things don't restart very shortly after this current hiatus then that will be the end of it.
Last year's order still has some integrity about it.
If you're going to run off 10 games it's asking for trouble from the clubs.
State junior carnivals can probably go ahead at some point, as can the draft combines.

Last year's order is easily the best option if they can't run a reason most of a season..
Usually the top 8 changes little after 10 rounds anyway and this year 10 rounds would be nearly 60% of the season (normal season it's 45%). That's way more integrity than last year's ladder position. The saints of 2019 for example changed their head coach, will be sacking most of their coaching staff (like everyone else), and that's before we even get into their list changes which were huge. It's inaccurate to say that the football clubs that hit the field in 2019 even really exist anymore
 

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