Analysis Coronavirus - The Impact IV “Phasing into the New Normal”

[Seadog]

Or is just the facts. In addition to restrictions for more harsh than any state - and against the medical advice - ie pretty safe out doors - they have issue more infringements than the rest of the country combined. But get as emotional as you like - I cannot see any logic in your rant. But have family members in Vic who are fed up - completely different to NSW for example.

When you calm down you may look up the meaning of hypothesis.

So Victoria has more cases because their restrictions were too harsh, some sound logic there, or maybe without the harsh restrictions Victoria's situation would be a lot worse.
Depends which political party you are barracking for I guess. You assign political motives to govt decisions while viewing everything through your personal political viewfinder. You never know it is possible other peoples opinions are just as valid and worthy of consideration as yours.

 

[guero]

Ok, here is a hypothesis.
The Vic Premier did not close borders but he hopelessly over restricted and over policed. eg - no kayak paddling, no golf, no surfing, etc etc.
As a result the public see this as obviously illogical and justy dumb so they ignore restrictions to a greater extend than in other'jurisdictions'

Ok, here is a hypothesis.
The obviously illogical and just dumb segment of the community in Vic ignored restrictions to a greater extent than in other ‘jurisdictions'.

Hypothesizing is fun!

 

[ziad]

So Victoria has more cases because their restrictions were too harsh, some sound logic there, or maybe without the harsh restrictions Victoria's situation would be a lot worse.
Depends which political party you are barracking for I guess. You assign political motives to govt decisions while viewing everything through your personal political viewfinder. You never know it is possible other peoples opinions are just as valid and worthy of consideration as yours.

Not sure virus know political parties. But normal people take a considered view and modify their behaviour.
A parallel would be city beaches in Sydney being closed in responce to large crowds ignoring distancing. Many that populate these beaches are travellers who may not have the same sense of community. (You will need to look up the meaning of may). Otheres were obviousluy not travellers - perhaps on a hot day they thought the head medical professionals said the being outdoors in the sun is safe - no recorded transmission in the open, etc.
However more surburban beaches remained open for swimming, surfing etc and people grew to modify their behaviour appropriatly. I think time to udust to a new reality wasa factor in many behaviours. The beach closures are a matter for Local Government - not sure of their political persuasions but thet actions all seemed reasonable.

Reasonabl logical measure take people with you - dumb illogical ones don't.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Victoria probably had the most restrictive lockdown measures initially. I think it is sensible to ask why despite this, they are having the most issues still.

Covid fatigue due to greater restrictions? Some measures being targeted in the wrong areas? Poor, or misplaced enforcement of the rules? Or is it just the reality of having a much larger population in a much smaller area?

 

[larrikin]

Victoria probably had the most restrictive lockdown measures initially. I think it is sensible to ask why despite this, they are having the most issues still.

Covid fatigue due to greater restrictions? Some measures being targeted in the wrong areas? Poor, or misplaced enforcement of the rules? Or is it just the reality of having a much larger population in a much smaller area?

Also - much more ethnically diverse population potentially meaning more returned travellers, particularly with the large family spread they are having.

 

[Forward Press]

Victoria probably had the most restrictive lockdown measures initially. I think it is sensible to ask why despite this, they are having the most issues still.

Covid fatigue due to greater restrictions? Some measures being targeted in the wrong areas? Poor, or misplaced enforcement of the rules? Or is it just the reality of having a much larger population in a much smaller area?

Luck.

NSW had tight restrictions too (with even more people) and they are coming out okay.

NSW and Victoria also had no border restrictions to the rest of Australia.

 

[Forward Press]

Also - much more ethnically diverse population potentially meaning more returned travellers, particularly with the large family spread they are having.

That would definitely contribute but we're not seeing similar numbers in the other two of the 'big 3' states.

 

[ziad]

Also - much more ethnically diverse population potentially meaning more returned travellers, particularly with the large family spread they are having.

50% of Sydneys population are born OS - more diverse than Melbourne. Returnees are isolated in hotel rooms although it appears that there has been some transmission in hotels.

I have just found a relative of a person recently returned and now in quarentine in a hotel in Sydney. Evidently the brief was pretty direct - break the rules and you will be fined heavily. Transit to the hotel was in a bus with a police escort. It is absolutely dont leave your room. They are however contacted more than once daily by health staff to check on the mediacla and mental health. Seems pretty well run.

 

[ziad]

Luck.

NSW had tight restrictions too (with even more people) and they are coming out okay.

NSW and Victoria also had no border restrictions to the rest of Australia.

Vic restrictions were far more strict = no golf, no kayaking, (sticks with me as I have a kayak) swimming in the ocean, no surfing etc. Only a few city beacxhes were closedin Sydney after masses gathered there. Vic was and is heavily policed with more penalties that the rest of the country combined.

 

[Smeg Head]

Outbreaks in Vic stem from poor isolation of sick people and or protocols at Cedar meats and some of the quarantine hotels that has let pockets of the virus start in the community, then it obviously gets tougher as it spreads out.

 

[Forward Press]

Vic restrictions were far more strict = no golf, no kayaking, (sticks with me as I have a kayak) swimming in the ocean, no surfing etc. Only a few city beacxhes were closedin Sydney after masses gathered there. Vic was and is heavily policed with more penalties that the rest of the country combined.

Hence, luck. As countless examples around the world demonstrate, all you need is one to escape the tracking and tracing. For all the brouhaha about BLM protests, it appears only 3 cases came from them in Australia. 200 came from a single cruise ship. 20 came from a single container ship. 10 came from a single party etc etc.

Unless you do a super strict approach like New Zealand's Stage 4, you will always have people slipping through the cracks.

I doubt you'd be the saying the same thing if the Premier was from the Libs.

 

[Forward Press]

Outbreaks in Vic stem from poor isolation of sick people and or protocols at Cedar meats and some of the quarantine hotels that has let pockets of the virus start in the community, then it obviously gets tougher as it spreads out.

Are we sure on this? From what I understood things like Cedar Meats and that McDonalds cluster were successfully contained, and these recent ones are from house parties and the like. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

 

[larrikin]

Are we sure on this? From what I understood things like Cedar Meats and that McDonalds cluster were successfully contained, and these recent ones are from house parties and the like. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

A lot from large family gatherings.

 

[Smeg Head]

Are we sure on this? From what I understood things like Cedar Meats and that McDonalds cluster were successfully contained, and these recent ones are from house parties and the like. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

The other main sources of Victoria's recent COVID-19 cases include two large clusters among workers at the Stamford Plaza Hotel in Melbourne's CBD and the Rydges on Swanston hotel in Carlton.

These workers, many of whom would live in Melbourne's suburbs, account for at least 30 cases.

Where are Victoria's coronavirus hotspots?

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee urges against travel to and from six local government areas in Victoria known to be hotspots for new COVID-19 cases after the state experienced its fifth day in a row of new coronavirus cases in the double digits.

www.abc.net.au

 

[ziad]

Hence, luck. As countless examples around the world demonstrate, all you need is one to escape the tracking and tracing. For all the brouhaha about BLM protests, it appears only 3 cases came from them in Australia. 200 came from a single cruise ship. 20 came from a single container ship. 10 came from a single party etc etc.

Unless you do a super strict approach like New Zealand's Stage 4, you will always have people slipping through the cracks.

I doubt you'd be the saying the same thing if the Premier was from the Libs.

I am not sure how a virus votes but you seem to have a closed mind.

 

[Forward Press]

Where are Victoria's coronavirus hotspots?

The Australian Health Protection Principal Committee urges against travel to and from six local government areas in Victoria known to be hotspots for new COVID-19 cases after the state experienced its fifth day in a row of new coronavirus cases in the double digits.

www.abc.net.au

That's 'only' about 30 in total, though. Thanks for the source. Thought quarantine hotel workers would be subject to strict protocols, apparently not.

I am not sure how a virus votes but you seem to have a closed mind.

Not really, I've consistently heaped praise on the Federal government's response and defended it throughout even with occasional gaffes.

For you and others of your ilk, though - the bias is clear no matter what McGowan and Andrews do.

 

[ziad]

That's 'only' about 30 in total, though. Thanks for the source. Thought quarantine hotel workers would be subject to strict protocols, apparently not.



Not really, I've consistently heaped praise on the Federal government's response and defended it throughout even with occasional gaffes.

For you and others of your ilk, though - the bias is clear no matter what McGowan and Andrews do.

If you can see a linkage betwen political parties and how our variouys governments have responded to COVID-19 you has seions tinfoil issues.

 

[Forward Press]

If you can see a linkage betwen political parties and how our variouys governments have responded to COVID-19 you has seions tinfoil issues.

Can or can't?

I'm prepared to give credit to ScoMo when credit is due - you haven't done the same to those in power that aren't of the same persuasion.

 

[Smeg Head]

If you can see a linkage betwen political parties and how our variouys governments have responded to COVID-19 you has seions tinfoil issues.

Done well: WA Lab, SA Lib, NT Lab, Tas Lib, QLD Lab, ACT Lab.
Messy at first but flattened: NSW Lib.
Went the strictest and has failed: Vic Lab.

 

[guero]

Huh. Even the rona has #VICBIAS.

 

[ziad]

Done well: WA Lab, SA Lib, NT Lab, Tas Lib, QLD Lab, ACT Lab.
Messy at first but flattened: NSW Lib.
Went the strictest and has failed: Vic Lab.

I can only draw on my personal experience working for and with Governments, and I strongly suspect ther actions were driven far more by the advice of health departments than by any 'party politics'. Beyond the frof and bubble on TV polititions don't create much change. I think if you stand back; the advice has been a little different at the margins but it has generally gone well. We are way short of a second wave in world context.

The bigger problem is how some have turned their back on the economic impacts which will be life changing for a generation.

 

[Dazzler9]

Even NSW are looking at implementing border controls.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Since SA have tested the waters on this issue (I haven't seen any constitutional issues pop up as yet) would people be in favour of partial border reopenings?

This would include SA, NT and QLD with NSW on watch. I'm not sure how Tassie would work.

It isn't worth panicking about Vic yet, their state government has realised that pumping the brakes on restrictions is required due to some underlying virus spread. Cases will probably remain in the 10-30 band for the time being. This isn't a second wave, it is just the reality of the fight against this virus.

 

[ZergMinion]

Since SA have tested the waters on this issue (I haven't seen any constitutional issues pop up as yet) would people be in favour of partial border reopenings?

This would include SA, NT and QLD with NSW on watch. I'm not sure how Tassie would work.

As long as it's constitutional I have no issues with opening borders to SA/NT/Tassie/QLD. Give NSW another couple of weeks. If it's unconstitutional though it makes a messy situation messier, and we won't know that for a little while. SA a good test case.

For the record I think it could be constitutional to close the borders to all states, but not constitutional to open borders to selective states only, but obviously I don't actually know anything much on the subject.

 

[Ok Boomer]

As long as it's constitutional I have no issues with opening borders to SA/NT/Tassie/QLD. Give NSW another couple of weeks. If it's unconstitutional though it makes a messy situation messier, and we won't know that for a little while. SA a good test case.

For the record I think it could be constitutional to close the borders to all states, but not constitutional to open borders to selective states only, but obviously I don't actually know anything much on the subject.

The biggest issue I have with it is enforcement. How do you identify Victorians at the border? Do you still stop everyone to check?

I also think that economically there isn't much to gain from NT and SA, with QLD and eventually NSW being the honey pots. I think the progress back to normality is very important as I believe the longer it takes the harder it will be and this could be a solution while Victoria continues to deal with the virus.

I had a laugh listening to ABC this morning with an old lady saying SA should be kept out because "they are too close to those ******* Victorians"