Analysis Coronavirus - The Impact IV “Phasing into the New Normal”

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It will be fascinating to see how the federal LNP and Murdoch press discuss the SA outbreak. LNP state government. Hotel quarantine related. ADF personnel used.

I do hope SA nail it down real quick - I wouldn't wish what we went through on anyone.

But Morrison, on one of his rare visits to Victoria where he was not welcome even before his recent divisive tactics, is with Andrews today in Melbourne. I can't wait to see how they both take the questions on SA standing right beside eachother.
 
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Xmas in Adelaide is looking a bit shaky this morning. Hopefully they can clamp down on it quickly, I don't fancy tests and quarantine on return home or worse being stuck in a covid ridden locked down Adelaide for 2 weeks.
The new open borders with SA lasted all of a day and a half, F*rk.
Good luck SAussies.
 
Just on this SA outbreak, and also on a recent case in NZ, the biggest threat aside from quarantine failures seems to be people working while sick, and more specifically, employees being pressured by bosses to come to work.

Considering how open WA is, we really need to start reinforcing messages. Having a workplace shutdown for days due to COVID is much more expensive than giving an employee a couple of sick days.


Bosses or managers who pressure their employees into ignoring health advice should feel some force of the law.
 
Just on this SA outbreak, and also on a recent case in NZ, the biggest threat aside from quarantine failures seems to be people working while sick, and more specifically, employees being pressured by bosses to come to work.

Considering how open WA is, we really need to start reinforcing messages. Having a workplace shutdown for days due to COVID is much more expensive than giving an employee a couple of sick days.


Bosses or managers who pressure their employees into ignoring health advice should feel some force of the law.
The issue is the casual workforce that doesn't have sick leave. The Butcher's club outbreak in Melbourne was caused by a cleaner who came to work sick but couldn't afford to miss a shift as they wouldn't be paid. It would have been a good idea for federal or state governments to cover the pay of any casual employees while they were waiting for test results or quarantining if sick.
 
It would have been a good idea for federal or state governments to cover the pay of any casual employees while they were waiting for test results or quarantining if sick.

The Victorian government has had that in place for a long time. An initial payment whilst isolating waiting for your test result, and then another payment if you test positive. Not sure if SA has that in place.

I think there is still a stigma with getting a Covid test, which we all need to get over.

Also, there seems to be plenty of discussion that many people don't know they have Covid, so that is part of the problem.
 
Sounds like there's a fair chance SA is going to go the way of Melbourne pretty quickly, time to lock the border back down again and hope none of the people who came through over the weekend had it.
 
It's looking that way, isn' t it.

Bring on the vaccines.
It's not looking good, could see them having a couple of hundred cases by the end of the week.
Just really have to hope none of them came here after they caught it.
My mrs' work sent home a woman today because she'd spent the entire weekend with some people who flew in from SA and then decided not to tell anyone about it until lunchtime.
 
It's not looking good, could see them having a couple of hundred cases by the end of the week.
Just really have to hope none of them came here after they caught it.
My mrs' work sent home a woman today because she'd spent the entire weekend with some people who flew in from SA and then decided not to tell anyone about it until lunchtime.
We'll be in for a world of hurt once it resurfaces here. We are totally out of practice with social distancing, etc. Borders up again before New Year's?
 

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Get used to it. This will be the reality for the next 2 years at least and you can't close everything down on the basis of a few cases, it's just not sustainable to have in-country border closures for that long. WA needs to get it's track and trace plan functional and get used to the idea that no matter what happens, it will emerge in clusters and there needs to be a strategy beyond closing borders.

On one poster's view of there being a stigma around getting covid testing- it doesn't help that every single case in quarantine is headlined, or there's headlines like "CASES EXPLODE" when it's a cluster of 17. This is part and parcel of the new world, and needs to be normalised. People shouldn't feel like pariahs if they get covid or are exposed to covid. It's not AIDS, it's a now very common respiratory infection that will be likely be with humanity forever.
 

This is quite huge with the Pfizer and Russian announcements. If this holds, I've said it before, but it could be the greatest collective scientific achievement ever. Having multiple mRNA vaccines approved for human use would have massive implications for rapid vaccine production in the future as well, including for diseases like cancer in the age of rapid genomics and big data. * yeah science!
 

This is quite huge with the Pfizer and Russian announcements. If this holds, I've said it before, but it could be the greatest collective scientific achievement ever. Having multiple mRNA vaccines approved for human use would have massive implications for rapid vaccine production in the future as well, including for diseases like cancer in the age of rapid genomics and big data. fu** yeah science!
Yeah, it is really exciting. Also changed the strategy for dealing with COVID. The best bet now is to do everything to keep the virus suppressed/eliminated locally, knowing you can have your population vaccinated in 6-12 months.
 
It's not looking good, could see them having a couple of hundred cases by the end of the week.
Just really have to hope none of them came here after they caught it.
My mrs' work sent home a woman today because she'd spent the entire weekend with some people who flew in from SA and then decided not to tell anyone about it until lunchtime.
Sounds like they only picked up a couple of cases overnight, with good contact tracing and a modicum of luck they could put it down in a couple of weeks. It's all in the timing, it was already running rampant in Melbourne before it was picked up, Adelaide might be lucky that the old girl was one of the first to get it and she went to a hospital.
 
Sounds like they only picked up a couple of cases overnight, with good contact tracing and a modicum of luck they could put it down in a couple of weeks. It's all in the timing, it was already running rampant in Melbourne before it was picked up, Adelaide might be lucky that the old girl was one of the first to get it and she went to a hospital.

From memory didn't Victoria take a couple of weeks to lock anything down? I swear there were quite a few cases popping up in those tower houses and then there was the black lives matter protest not long after.
 
The only states that haven't shut things done with SA are Victoria and NSW and we aren't letting people from there in without an isolation period still.

With a temporary closure to SA, we should be ok. It is frustrating to see the state government say nothing of substance about social distancing, masks, and not working while sick. If these things were reinforced the border wouldn't be as necessary, but of course these things aren't as popular and they take a bit of gloss off "The most open economy in the country".

The good thing about the SA situation so far is that the vast majority of cases are still within the one extended family instead of many.
 
The only states that haven't shut things done with SA are Victoria and NSW and we aren't letting people from there in without an isolation period still.

With a temporary closure to SA, we should be ok. It is frustrating to see the state government say nothing of substance about social distancing, masks, and not working while sick. If these things were reinforced the border wouldn't be as necessary, but of course these things aren't as popular and they take a bit of gloss off "The most open economy in the country".

The good thing about the SA situation so far is that the vast majority of cases are still within the one extended family instead of many.
The problem is, our economy doesn't actually work with social distancing.

Just catch a train or go to the shops. Heck, watch any community sport. Maintaining 1.5m distance and living relatively normal lives in a modern city are mutually exclusive.
 
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