Analysis Coronavirus - The Impact

[Biggie]

2nd death

 

[Seadog]

Stupid question coming up, but do we not want it to be spreading somewhat so that some of the population builds up an immunity for the virus? What happens if we lock everyone down too early, eliminate the virus and then open back to the world, aren't we just going to kick the can down the road a few months and then go through all this again?

Not a stupid question at all, It's gonna be a juggling act for sure. Maybe once a test for antibodies is widely available to detect all the people who have had the virus and built up an immunity they could get back to doing what they do. In that case a UBI probably isn't a bad idea in the short term so people aren't compelled to self infect so they can get back to work.

 

[Godfather32]

Well we have learned from the NSW fiasco the hard way, but actions have been taken now.

People are just going to have to accept that until a vaccine is developed, anyone who can still afford an overseas holiday will have to quarantine at the end of it.

I don't have a problem with the idea, I have a problem with the execution. Look how many muppets have been wandering around instead of quarantining themselves, even after they've been tested positive

 

[Max zero]

"Mr Cook said all the COVID-19 cases so far investigated appeared to be related to overseas travel, cruise ship passengers or close contact with people who had travelled internationally"

"The number of cases related to cruise ship passengers has gone up to 55"

55!!!! These could have been avoided complete if it wasn't for that stupid decision in NSW to let those ppl off the boat.

Once this outbreak is over some hard questions need to be asked when we review this.

 

[Biggie]

TAS +5

 

[Astro7]

Don’t disagree. Was just commenting on certain posters’ trust or otherwise of media outlets. If ever there was a time to keep politics to a minimum, then surely this is it.

maybe misunderstood your post..am definitely anti foreign intervention in this country, Chinese or otherwise, and all that hoarding and on-selling by whoever, makes me madder than hell...but to fully trust any govnmnt is fraught with risk...fortunately there are always good journos out there doing their job, even though successive govmnts try to curtail the free press...

 

[Astro7]

Agreed, also a bit concerning that democracy has been put on hold with parliament not sitting again till August 11. The executive get to make decisions for the country without any oversight whatsoever during this crisis. I don't think that is a good situation regardless of who is running the show.

Yes, with no opposition or independents as a balance...we'll see what happens...and as another poster suggested, it sure as hell won't stay that way after this sh*t-show has ended...

 

[Rowan18]

Stupid question coming up, but do we not want it to be spreading somewhat so that some of the population builds up an immunity for the virus? What happens if we lock everyone down too early, eliminate the virus and then open back to the world, aren't we just going to kick the can down the road a few months and then go through all this again?

I think the idea is to shut it down before the hospitals are overwhelmed. Then when lock-down ends and we get new outbreaks, we should be in a much better position to isolate individuals/small areas early and contain it. This is what South Korea and Japan have done, which has worked very well. They already had the infrastructure in place due to previous disease outbreaks.

I don't think we will get the chance of a second lock-down. I'm not sure the economy will bare it and I'm not sure the wider population will tolerate it (the vast majority of whom will get the virus and recover without any major issues).

 

[Dylan82]

How are we tracking as a nation?? Seems to sit around 400 new cases a day? Fairly steady it seems, rather than doubling every few days which was the main concern??

The growth in confirmed cases has improved for the country (i.e declined) slightly over the past few days.

As others have mentioned, whether this is the beginning of an actual flattening or a reflection of a narrow scope of testing shall be revealed over the next two weeks.

That said, identified cases are still increasing fourfold a week.

In other words, without drastic action now there will be over 10,000 identified cases in this country next week, and 40,000 in a fortnight.

I am very much concerned by the relaxed approach to social isolation by the public that is going on. I have heard many anecdotal reports of people today congregating in supermarkets, not respecting distances in queues, and generally socialising as if things were business as usual. Considering the numbers I have been hearing of seniors that have been out and about, I have grave concerns if community transmission is more widespread than testing is indicating.

 

[Max zero]

The WHO claiming the world was slow to act on Covid 19 and missed their first window to deal with it.

Gee I wonder why?

It's not like some global health organisation was reporting that there was no evidence of human to human transmission and that travel bans were unnecesary or anything.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

So both of the WA deaths were curse ship deaths .
The curse industry is going to take a huge hit

 

[ioppolo]

So both of the WA deaths were curse ship deaths .
The curse industry is going to take a huge hit

I dunno, if they were due to a curse I'd say it went exactly as planned

 

[Max zero]

So both of the WA deaths were curse ship deaths .
The curse industry is going to take a huge hit

Indeed the second disaster after Covid 19 - the economic one.

The tourism industy is a $40 billion industry yet its probably going to be annihilated. As you mention Cruise (curse works too) ships are going to be struggling for years. Who would buy a ticket in the near future?

 

[avishka5]

We should just nuke all the cruise ships after this

 

[bombard]

We should just nuke all the cruise ships after this

Pretty sure we could pass the hat around the board and buy a WCE BF cruise ship now.

Keys that'd be a good fit for you right?

 

[avishka5]

Pretty sure we could pass the hat around the board and buy a WCE BF cruise ship now.

Keys that'd be a good fit for you right?

I'm concerend Georgie 404 will steal it to try and prove the world is flat.

 

[Dylan82]

Anyone else heard the talks these "rescue packs" of 5 days worth of antibiotics and corticosteroids for people with high risks like asthma?

From my understanding the virus infects the lungs causing and immune response that damages the lungs and weakens the immune system opening the door for a secondary bacterial infection causing pneumonia, so in theory early antibiotics should really cut the numbers of people seriously ill with pneumonia?

It's unlikely as the worst impacts of COVID-19 are caused by rapid onset viral pneumonia, which leads to Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS). These patients are generally at risk of drowning in their own lungs well before a secondary bacterial infection can establish itself.

That is of course not to say that there is no place for antibiotic treatments in such patients - just that I would not expect it to reduce the rate of hospitalisations.

 

[RookiePick]

...Look how many muppets have been wandering around instead of quarantining themselves, even after they've been tested positive

I notice folks with cold sores are pretty blasé. "everybody gets them" they blather.
No campaigner. Not every gets them and I don't intend to start.

People are total arse in most instances.

 

[Biggie]

Global economy is ****ed

 

[kerrazy]

So the wa health Minister has stated that almost all 231 cases of the virus are in some way related to overseas travel. He then proceeds to say that there are little to no community transmissions.

But my question is this : are we even testing the community? From what I have read, we are only testing those who have come back from overseas or those who are around someone who has. So how the hell can it be a ' good sign ' if they don't actually know??

Someone please enlighten me as from my perspective they have nfi what community spread has occurred!

 

[Max zero]

So the wa health Minister has stated that almost all 231 cases of the virus are in some way related to overseas travel. He then proceeds to say that there are little to no community transmissions.

But my question is this : are we even testing the community? From what I have read, we are only testing those who have come back from overseas or those who are around someone who has. So how the hell can it be a ' good sign ' if they don't actually know??

Someone please enlighten me as from my perspective they have nfi what community spread has occurred!

They do test in the community if you present with possible symptoms.

So far were are fine community transmission wise.

 

[ZergMinion]

So the wa health Minister has stated that almost all 231 cases of the virus are in some way related to overseas travel. He then proceeds to say that there are little to no community transmissions.

But my question is this : are we even testing the community? From what I have read, we are only testing those who have come back from overseas or those who are around someone who has. So how the hell can it be a ' good sign ' if they don't actually know??

Someone please enlighten me as from my perspective they have nfi what community spread has occurred!

I think you're right, though with community spread you'd expect someone to be badly affected enough to require testing eventually. Have we been lucky/unlucky enough for that not to happen yet, or is there genuinely no community spread? Or are they just trying to prevent panic?

Community spread here is defined as someone catching Covid-19 without having contact with anyone who's been overseas recently.

 

[kerrazy]

They do test in the community if you present with possible symptoms.

So far were are fine community transmission wise.

I can't find info anywhere on tests that are done to those who have symptoms and haven't travelled. Would love to know your source!

Various medical people around WA have said that there is most likely community spread, possibly up to ten times the official numbers!

 

[Dark Sharks]

I have absolutely ZERO faith in beating the virus by the public adhering to the guidelines/restrictions set out by the Australian Health Organisations and Government.

Zero.

After maintaining a good 3m from the handful of people in the office today, skipping public transport, minimising contact from everyone...

I went down to grab some groceries and it was a total nightmare. Any distance I put between myself and people in Woollies was ignored. People have no ******* clue.

If I get Corona, I'm blaming it on that trip. I feel dirtier having gone anywhere.

It felt like someone was licking my ear the entire time I was in there. No spacial awareness and respect for social distancing from customers whatsoever.

Same in Coles and the rest of Whitfords Westfield. Mullalooo Beach is PACKED with imbeciles running around playing, tackling, family's watching the sunset etc etc..



Zero faith

 

[kerrazy]

I think you're right, though with community spread you'd expect someone to be badly affected enough to require testing eventually. Have we been lucky/unlucky enough for that not to happen yet, or is there genuinely no community spread? Or are they just trying to prevent panic?

Community spread here is defined as someone catching Covid-19 without having contact with anyone who's been overseas recently.

Has the virus been around long enough for us to know whether it has reached the community? 2 week incubation period for those who have returned home, followed by another 2 week period for any signs and symptoms from the community. Possibly 4 weeks from first arrivals.