News Coronavirus Thread

[mouncey2franklin]

Just so we are clear here, in Australia it is now considered cool or trendy to shame people for going to the beach?

And it is also cool and trendy to demand the government 'do something' to stop people going to the beach?

Don't get mad at me, I just want to be clear here, I've been outside of Australia for over a year, so I'm asking an innocent question.

Is this social media and MSM stuff I'm reading all fluff, or is this actually what is going on among the Australian public?

Are the regular people seriously calling for government bans on other people going to the ******* beach?

 

[Horace]

Do we know the names yet of these morons who refused to co-operate in Aspen?

Whoever they are they should be locked up for a very very long time. (I don't think you are allowed to string them up these days but that's what they deserve.)

 

[Val Keating]

Teenage boy whose death was linked to coronavirus 'turned away from urgent care for not having insurance'

Mayor confirms teenager’s death with heart-breaking statement: ‘The Friday before he died, he was healthy ... By Wednesday, he was dead’

www.independent.co.uk

A 17-year-old whose death was initially linked to the novel coronavirus despite not having any previously reported health conditions was denied treatment at a California medical facility over his lack of insurance, according to the mayor.

The mayor said the teen “didn’t have insurance, so they did not treat him” when he arrived at an urgent care facility in the area. The medical staff then told the child to go to a local public hospital.

America has moved so far to the right that even the alleged left Democrats blocked the only candidate that wants health care for all. God I hope we don’t follow their footsteps

 

[Val Keating]

Just so we are clear here, in Australia it is now considered cool or trendy to shame people for going to the beach?

And it is also cool and trendy to demand the government 'do something' to stop people going to the beach?

Don't get mad at me, I just want to be clear here, I've been outside of Australia for over a year, so I'm asking an innocent question.

Is this social media and MSM stuff I'm reading all fluff, or is this actually what is going on among the Australian public?

Are the regular people seriously calling for government bans on other people going to the ******* beach?

Nah it’s not cool or trendy. It’s more like the way we talk about people who drink drive.

Though, I must admit it’s a bit over the top when we have supermarkets full of people.

 

[Horace]

Just so we are clear here, in Australia it is now considered cool or trendy to shame people for going to the beach?

And it is also cool and trendy to demand the government 'do something' to stop people going to the beach?

Don't get mad at me, I just want to be clear here, I've been outside of Australia for over a year, so I'm asking an innocent question.

Is this social media and MSM stuff I'm reading all fluff, or is this actually what is going on among the Australian public?

Are the regular people seriously calling for government bans on other people going to the ******* beach?

Mate you are a complete idiot. You still don't understand how serious this situation is. A lot of innocent people are GOING TO DIE because of the stupid behaviour of others who are not prepared to put up with some mild inconvenience for a relatively short period of time. Wake up to yourself. Better still, leave this board for good.

 

[DesertRoo]

DesertRoo reckons the Chinese will try to pin this on the US and link it to the International Military games, Army Olympics or whatever it is that were held in Wuhan last year sometime.

they already have just ask the spokesmen for the information department...

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Nah it’s not cool or trendy. It’s more like the way we talk about people who drink drive.

Though, I must admit it’s a bit over the top when we have supermarkets full of people.

So in your mind going to the beach is now comparable with drink driving.

It would appear that this isn't just a media (social / mainstream) thing. This is a real thing. Among regular people.

I see.

Mate you are a complete idiot. You still don't understand how serious this situation is. A lot of innocent people are GOING TO DIE because of the stupid behaviour of others who are not prepared to put up with some mild inconvenience for a relatively short period of time. Wake up to yourself. Better still, leave this board for good.

So you are calling me names and telling me to leave the board because... you disagree with me?

Is it possible, just possible, that you are responding to my comment emotionally rather than logically?

 

[ferball]

Just so we are clear here, in Australia it is now considered cool or trendy to shame people for going to the beach?

And it is also cool and trendy to demand the government 'do something' to stop people going to the beach?

Don't get mad at me, I just want to be clear here, I've been outside of Australia for over a year, so I'm asking an innocent question.

Is this social media and MSM stuff I'm reading all fluff, or is this actually what is going on among the Australian public?

Are the regular people seriously calling for government bans on other people going to the ******* beach?

You'll be happy to know that next week the army or the reserves or both will be out on the street helping enforce quarantine (temporary house arrest) and stage three lock down rules that include a ban on any meeting in public of more than two people?

 

[Val Keating]

So in your mind going to the beach is now comparable with drink driving.

It would appear that this isn't just a media (social / mainstream) thing. This is a real thing. Among regular people.

I see.

So you are calling me names and telling me to leave the board because... you disagree with me?

Is it possible, just possible, that you are responding to my comment emotionally rather than logically?

Yes. At the moment both can kill people. In fact police in Australia have stopped breath testing because COVID-19 is a bigger threat

 

[ferball]

Yes. At the moment both can kill people. In fact police in Australia have stopped breath testing because COVID-19 is a bigger threat

Really?

 

[mouncey2franklin]

You'll be happy to know that next week the army or the reserves or both will be out on the street helping enforce quarantine (temporary house arrest) and stage three lock down rules that include a ban on any meeting in public of more than two people?

Why would I be happy to know that?

Yes. At the moment both can kill people. In fact police in Australia have stopped breath testing because COVID-19 is a bigger threat

Lots of things can kill people including alcoholism, obesity, and even medical malpractice.

Australia closing beaches is the kind of thing you would expect to see in a Orwellian satire.

Australians cheering this on is taking the piss to another level.

Australians cheering on being banned from going to the beach. Fair dinkum.

 

[Tas]

 

[Val Keating]

Why would I be happy to know that?


Lots of things can kill people including alcoholism, obesity, and even medical malpractice.

Australia closing beaches is the kind of thing you would expect to see in a Orwellian satire.

Australians cheering this on is taking the piss to another level.

Australians cheering on being banned from going to the beach. Fair dinkum.

WAKE THE FUKE UP FOR * SAKE.

 

[Val Keating]

Really?

Yes. But shhhh its a secret

 

[Billy Not Really]

Are the regular people seriously calling for government bans on other people going to the ******* beach?

Yes. People have lost their minds and are willing to go to extremes for peace of mind, when they are walking contradictions themselves and also participate in mass gatherings everyday unbeknownst to them.

Exhibit A: The supermarket.

 

[Only Forwards]

America has moved so far to the right that even the alleged left Democrats blocked the only candidate that wants health care for all. God I hope we don’t follow their footsteps

It's not because of Bernies Medicare for all that he's not the company man.

Running on a platform of strip money from politics makes few of the right friends when the people you need have pockets lined by special interest.

It'll be Biden vs Trump and Trump will win.

 

[Tas]

Disgraceful from the WHO.

 

[Ether]

Yes. People have lost their minds and are willing to go to extremes for peace of mind, when they are walking contradictions themselves and also participate in mass gatherings everyday unbeknownst to them.

Exhibit A: The supermarket.

One of the things I'm finding tiresome about this is people demanding perfect consistency. "You went to the the supermarket therefore I may be as big a knob as I want." I think the advice is that you should minimise gathering in groups, not that you should starve.

 

[ferball]

Yes. People have lost their minds and are willing to go to extremes for peace of mind, when they are walking contradictions themselves and also participate in mass gatherings everyday unbeknownst to them.

Exhibit A: The supermarket.

We know about it.

We're trying to minimise these things. It's probably not possible to live without them.

 

[Tectonic]

Yes. People have lost their minds and are willing to go to extremes for peace of mind, when they are walking contradictions themselves and also participate in mass gatherings everyday unbeknownst to them.

Exhibit A: The supermarket.

Sending one person from a house to the shops and being responsible about it is hardly the same as taking your family to the beach for a day.

 

[La Flama Blanca]

Why would I be happy to know that?


Lots of things can kill people including alcoholism, obesity, and even medical malpractice.

Australia closing beaches is the kind of thing you would expect to see in a Orwellian satire.

Australians cheering this on is taking the piss to another level.

Australians cheering on being banned from going to the beach. Fair dinkum.

I'm willing to bet you don't have any skin in the game.

I've been caring for my sick father for over a year now while he has been battling cancer. He's made good progress, but if he got this virus he'd be in big trouble. He's only in his early 60s. There are a lot of vulnerable people out there and many more who care about them. To do anything but completely minimise social interaction is at best ignorant and at worst an incredible display of disdain for others in the community.

This time next year that social gathering you missed out on won't matter. The lives lost will.

 

[bresker]

I was going to send this message to your coach & players, and my coach and players, prior to the Good Friday game. But it's a bit superfluous now so I'll post it here....

My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus. There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying you taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you do so every day. Some days they had to treat patients in the corridors in the children's hospital because they'd run out of beds. The RCH in Melbourne is one of the leading children's hospitals in the world; it largely functions because of the amazing charitable donations Victorians give every year. Thank you Victorians. You saved my daughter's life. You pay for her continued cardiac treathment.....

One awful day two doctors and four nurses had to work frantically busily, yet with an eerie calm that only comes with experience & training, to save a teenage boy's life in the ICU corridor because they'd run out of beds. This was at the height of the flu season in 2017. It was a bad flu year, but you don't appreciate what that means unless you hang out in an ICU ward of a public hospital for a winter. Actually when I say save his life, he may well have died because you don't talk about that stuff in ICU. I did look into his mother's eyes and it's a look you don't want to see. Then again, she probably saw the same look in my eyes, because it was there every day as my daughter struggled between life and death after the virus destroyed a large part of her heart function...

I was going to send a longer version of this to Bev & the Bulldogs, and to North Melbourne FC, prior to the Good Friday game but it seems superfluous now.

My daughter Josie got very ill in 2017 and I had to pretty much live in the ICU ward of the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne. Her heart got attacked by a virus/bacteria , possibly the flu, though we'll never know because she was too damaged to take a biopsy. At one stage she had forty doctors working on her. She was put on a special treatment called extra corporeal life support (ECMO) that requires 24 hour, extremely vigilant care from a specialist team of doctors & nurses. Machines do the work of your heart & lungs & circulatory system because your whole body has been overwhelmed by a virus.

There were a few patients on ECMO but not many because it's incredibly expensive & labour intensive. When Josie was first brought in, the doctors in ICU debated the wisdom of even bothering to treat her because she was so far gone from the heart attack. Some of the doctors thought she should be left to die; others thought she was pretty hopeless but she should be given the ECMO chance. Thankfully the latter won the day. Some coronavirus patients in the UK are currently on ECMO; it probably costs a million pounds a day per a handful of patients. If you are in the UK, thank you so much for paying your taxes & national health insurance. You saved peoples lives, and you continue to do so every day.

Some days they had to treat patients in the corridors in the children's hospital because they'd run out of beds. The RCH in Melbourne is one of the leading children's hospitals in the world; it largely functions because of the amazing charitable donations Victorians give every year. Thank you Victorians. You saved my daughter's life. You pay for her continued cardiac treatment..... One day two doctors and four nurses had to work frantically busily, yet with an eerie calm that only comes with experience & training, to save a teenage boy's life in the ICU corridor. Actually when I say save his life, he may well have died because you don't talk about that stuff in ICU. I did look into his mother's eyes and it's a look you don't want to see. Then again, she probably saw the same look in my eyes, because it was there every day as my daughter struggled between life and death after the virus destroyed a large part of her heart function...

When you die from coronavirus there won't be any family there. You'll die alone and the last faces you see are strange doctors and nurses. You'll be conscious right up to the end, because the virus overwhelms your lungs and heart before your brain dies. You'll drown in your own phlegm. The doctors and nurses will be so exhausted and overwhelmed they will not even text your family to tell them you have died, because there are so many half-dead corpses and bodies all over the hospital they can't even identify them. I found this out by watching the news from Europe on SBS this morning. They don't tell you this on channel 7 or channel 9 because it is too upsetting for you.

I am telling you this not shame you or scare you, you will be scared in a week's time. I am telling you this because you can still change.

On another note, anyone wishing death on North Melbourne FC due to this virus are w***ers & I despise them. We're all in this together. The Preston Bullants FC aka Northern Blues have folded. Few mourned their passing because no-one cares about history. I am Irish and I know the history not only of North Melbourne FC but of the suburb, and the Irish people who made it. They left an Ireland wallowing in disease for a better life.

 

[ferball]

Why would I be happy to know that?

Obviously I didn't actually expect you to be happy about it.

I'm a little non plused myself.

At the same time the army was mobilised in similar circumstances during the fire season and no on batted an eyelid. Cos they didn't act like an occupying force. They helped the people they signed up to protect.

We basically expect the same of them. Frankly if you've got this virus you should be quarantined until you are clear of it. Tough luck if you don't like it. This is a society. If you want all the benefits you have in the good times you have do your civic duty when you need to to keep it going. For all our flaws we are lucky enough that we live somewhere we can pull this off.

You've got more chance of accessing the resources you need and the rest of us do too, along with a smaller chance of getting sick. We're not asking you (or me) to give up years of our lives. Maybe a month. And afterwards if we're not one the unlucky minority we'll have immunity for at least a little while.

It's because people didn't take more precautions earlier that we have to do this. And that more people will die. There are other failures too. Right now we need to put all that aside to focus immediately on what we need to do now to control the spread of this virus. It's an emergency situation and we have to act appropriately.

All of this restriction comes under legislation enacted to be temporary in specific emergencies. So we obviously need to be vigilant about the extent of its use and what have you. That's on all of us, especially those of us that get it and recover.

I'm not really comfortable with it but I can see the necessity.

I also have my own views on when this should end and won't be slow about voicing them. But it'll take a while and we'll need to see specifics things. Controlled rates of spread, low fatalities, lots of rEcovered immunity in the community, successful treatment regimes, potentially vaccines and clear methods of control over where the virus is. Real potential to stop it the way other places seem to have.

 

[nelroo]

So in your mind going to the beach is now comparable with drink driving.

It would appear that this isn't just a media (social / mainstream) thing. This is a real thing. Among regular people.

I see.

I'm willing to bet you don't have any skin in the game.

I've been caring for my sick father for over a year now while he has been battling cancer. He's made good progress, but if he got this virus he'd be in big trouble. He's only in his early 60s. There are a lot of vulnerable people out there and many more who care about them. To do anything but completely minimise social interaction is at best ignorant and at worst an incredible display of disdain for others in the community.

This time next year that social gathering you missed out on won't matter. The lives lost will.

Exactly the way I feel. Father has stage 4 cancer and trying to fight it. If he got this virus he would be in trouble too. Makes me so angry that people are not doing their part to slow this thing down. Selfish and inexcusable..

 

[mouncey2franklin]

I'm willing to bet you don't have any skin in the game.

I'm currently stuck in an apartment with military rolling around stopping people from even going for a walk.

Here in Malaysia, we seem to be a couple weeks ahead of Australia in terms of government action.

That's right, you aren't even allowed to go out for regular exercise here. It is total 'stay home'.

If that isn't enough skin in the game for you, I also have elderly family members back in Aus.

Apparently they are not supposed to be visited by their own family any more.

Isolation sucks, especially for old people. How can any sane man think this is all okay and above board?