News Coronavirus Thread

[Val Keating]

Beyond deer hunting and fish markets, I wouldn't say the USA has actual wet markets.

I didn't know much about the deer infected with CWD jump, is that actually legit?

There’s evidence that it’s mutating. Hopefully it never makes the jump because it’s 100% fatal

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

There’s evidence that it’s mutating. Hopefully it never makes the jump because it’s 100% fatal

With this virus business, I am much more concerned about this disease jumps and mutations.

 

[DesertRoo]

Mobile phones are 24/7 tracking devices.
SMS texts are stored indefinitely.
All call traffic is monitored constantly, but a warrant is required to bring something in to a court room.

Echelon is real.

So.............I struggle to see why anyone is now getting in to a tizz about 5G. Our privacy was taken away more than 15 years ago.

Yes it wouldve been quiet the process to get that information out in the past. Have a look at long it took them to get Ristevski, to get the phone data would’ve been a two second job.

the problem is it’s now the new norm, you’ll have police officers checking up on old partners and all sort of shit.

 

[ferball]

There's no such thing as an "EMF scientist".

Stop being pedantic about semantics.

You could define someone looking at the effect of magnetism on benzene rings as one.

This is their definition:

You are qualified to sign the Appeal as an EMF scientist if you have published peer-reviewed papers in science journals on the biological and health effects of non-ionizing radiation.

You are qualified to sign the Appeal as a Supporting Scientist if you have published peer-reviewed papers in a related field and have contributed in a sustained manner to increased understanding about EMF science and the need for more protective policies.

Please provide accompanying citations.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Echelon is part of the UKUSA network, it has been very real for a long time. We've been heading down this path since 1947 in actuality.

A government is not invading it's citizens privacy when it is not directly monitoring them.

They circumvent under international treaty powers, resulting in Canada monitoring British citizens, Britain monitoring Australian citizens, Australia monitoring U.S. citizens, etc., etc., etc...........then providing feedback to the respective governments via international allied "intelligence" reports.

A turning point was the huge amount of data mining conducted by ASIO after 9/11 that set out to eavesdrop for "terrorism", which was very quickly & quietly amended in 2006 to facilitate the passing on of "domestic criminal material" (whatever that may be at any given time).

1984 has come and gone. We are entrenched in it. Your government has viewed you as an enemy for many years now.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Yes it wouldn’t been quiet the process to get that information out in the past. Have a look at long it took them to get Ristevski, to get the phone data would’ve been a two second job.

Yeah well, there's an undisclosed controversy about that scenario.

He didn't do it.

the problem is it’s now the new norm, you’ll have police officers checking up on old partners and all sort of shit.

There are ways & means of staying off the radar. That hackers know this.

 

[Groin guru]

The WHO is not conspiring with the Chinese to cover up anything. The US President is using the WHO as a patsy to cover for his and his governments incompetence. If the system in the US is the Emperor, then he has never been more naked.

This isn't a man made virus, it hasn't escaped from a lab or been released on purpose. It isn't caused by 5G. China probably has tried to keep its start date and infection/death numbers under wraps because it will lose face internationally.

Thank you, I'm not sure I would have been able to survive the day without you doing the thinking for me.

Speaking in a matter-of-fact kind of way doesn't add any authority to your claims so let's not pretend that it does.

 

[Val Keating]

With this virus business, I am much more concerned about this disease jumps and mutations.

Oh shit yeah. That would be plague like

 

[Groin guru]

A government is not invading it's citizens privacy when it is no directly monitoring them.

They circumvent under international treaty powers, resulting in Canada monitoring British citizens, Britain monitoring Australian citizens, Australia monitoring U.S. citizens, etc., etc., etc...........then providing feedback to the respective governments via international allied "intelligence" reports.

A turning point was the huge amount of data mining conducted by ASIO after 9/11 which set out to eavesdrop for "terrorism", which was very quickly & quietly amended in 2006 to facilitate the passing on of "domestic criminal material" (whatever that may be at any given time).

1984 has come and gone. We are entrenched in it. Your government has viewed you as an enemy for many years now.

Indeed. The infamous '5 eyes'

 

[GarnerSmash]

Regarding Wetmarkets, I'm not sure that China banning them will change anything much when it comes to viruses like this arising. The main issues here, IMO, are population density and consumption of animal flesh. There are two factors here:

1: Farming practices
Regardless of how/where the animal flesh is purchased it still has to be farmed. Due to human population density many animal farms in South East Asia, including the most densely populated regions of China, are located within or close to sites of human habitation, and encroaching on habitats of wild animals, including bats. It is this interaction between many animals, bats and humans co-existing in close proximity that will continue to **** shit up.

2: Cultural eating practices
The practice of eating virtually anything with legs (and without) and farming of these various animals in close proximity of other animals and humans allows for multi-species transmission of viruses.

Removal of Wetmarkets will remove what are sites within more densely populated areas where live animals are kept under stress and butchered, thus limiting the possibility of an infection bomb like in Wuhan. What it does not do is stop these viruses from being transmitted to humans at site of farming, which is still densely populated. In short, the change that needs to occur to stop more viruses like this from happening into the future is far to systemic to ever be possible so China, SE Asia and the rest of the world need to not start pointing fingers at organisations that can address these challenges, and start working together to figure out how to mitigate problems into the future.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Stop being pedantic about semantics.

It's not semantics when the very basis of a protest is an appeal to a sphere of academia that does not exist.

It also invites the the notion of "expert" being applied to the non credentialled, by folding them in to a pack formed under a false banner.

 

[Groin guru]

My take, and I suspect the take of others, is that you are trying to say that the number of deaths from covid-19 in the USA is not all that significant, because the number of deaths from all sources is down in March 2020 versus the preceding few years.

But do you actually know anything about statistical theory?

1. it's just data. You're free to analyse it however you please. Listing it does not make it my duty to analyse it for you.
2. An assumption. I'm not trying to say anything.
3. Nope, I have no idea about statistical theory is

 

[Snake_Baker]

Indeed. The infamous '5 eyes'

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Okay, just don't take this to the lizard people zone.

The masses are overseen and controlled, but in all honesty this could actually be a good thing considering the stupidity & gullibility of the average person.

Bernays was correct.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

A government is not invading it's citizens privacy when it is not directly monitoring them.

They circumvent under international treaty powers, resulting in Canada monitoring British citizens, Britain monitoring Australian citizens, Australia monitoring U.S. citizens, etc., etc., etc...........then providing feedback to the respective governments via international allied "intelligence" reports.

A turning point was the huge amount of data mining conducted by ASIO after 9/11 that set out to eavesdrop for "terrorism", which was very quickly & quietly amended in 2006 to facilitate the passing on of "domestic criminal material" (whatever that may be at any given time).

1984 has come and gone. We are entrenched in it. Your government has viewed you as an enemy for many years now.

If you ever have the time, Richelson and Desmond Ball's "The Ties that Bind" book examines how deep the Anglo Five-Eyes goes and who pulls the strings within the intelligence apparatus. Our past federal governments have blissfully walked into the US windchipper in regards to US intelligence bases in Australia, with the exception of Gough. Even in the case of Gough, the higher defence bureaucrats and his cabinet supported the value of US bases, i.e. friendly defence and technology arrangements.

 

[Snake_Baker]

.............with the exception of Gough.

.....and we know what happened to him.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

.....and we know what happened to him.

I know it's a subject for another thread, but there's a lot of hidden information about that saga.

 

[tazaa]

The Government wants to track us via our phones. And if enough of us agree, coronavirus restrictions could ease

The battle against coronavirus is going hi-tech, with Australians to be asked to download a phone app that will monitor their movements — but only with their express permission.

mobile.abc.net.au

F off, no way anyone should be monitored like this.

This is Australia 2020.
There are definitely enough numbers out there to make this a success.
I mean this country voted Scott Morrison in.
MetaData laws
MyHealth record
and now this app

Lets not forget the census being hacked

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[7577969923]

US Mortality rate March 2020 = 193,000 deaths

US average Mortality rate March 2016-19 = 227,000 deaths

Difference = 34,000 or 2020 deaths are 85% of ave. of prior 4 years.

Source: CDC's online database (and yes it includes Covid19-related data).

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Any chance you can provide a link to the data? Have tried to find it on the CDC website with no luck.

 

[Gasometer]

Who would ignore Gaso just to do that?

The door is always open at the Hall of Grumpiness.

The Cnumber, Orange Man and Eugene is off limits.

Lockdown chat is permitted because we are Unique Individuals

#make grumpiness great again

MGGA

Grumpy Old Thread

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[ferball]

It's not semantics when the very basis of a protest is an appeal to a sphere of academia that does not exist.

It also invites the the notion of "expert" being applied to the non credentialled, by folding them in to a pack formed under a false banner.

Geeze you talk some crap at times.

its obviously an ad hoc definition formed for marketing purposes, classic Bernays influenced social control if you like.

None the less you have to be published researcher in the fields posted in their requirements for entry. Most of those members (every one I looked at) is more credentialed than you and published in the specific field.

Its specific to people published in that field cos obviously they are the only people with the required expertise. Is if you haven't done any research in that field you have the same cred as people who claim 5g technology causes SARS2, at least in terms of advising on any public policy.​

 

[King Corey]

Thank you, I'm not sure I would have been able to survive the day without you doing the thinking for me.

Speaking in a matter-of-fact kind of way doesn't add any authority to your claims so let's not pretend that it does.

Welcome back.

 

[Snake_Baker]

A government is not invading it's citizens privacy when it is not directly monitoring them.

They circumvent under international treaty powers, resulting in Canada monitoring British citizens, Britain monitoring Australian citizens, Australia monitoring U.S. citizens, etc., etc., etc...........then providing feedback to the respective governments via international allied "intelligence" reports.

A turning point was the huge amount of data mining conducted by ASIO after 9/11 that set out to eavesdrop for "terrorism", which was very quickly & quietly amended in 2006 to facilitate the passing on of "domestic criminal material" (whatever that may be at any given time).

1984 has come and gone. We are entrenched in it. Your government has viewed you as an enemy for many years now.

.........and don't think for one second that the LNP or ALP differ one iota when it comes to this stuff.

This is why the left-right paradigm is an orchestrated sham.The more invested you are, the more brainwashed you have become.

 

[Groin guru]

Welcome back.

Lennon one flank. Taylor the other (the good one...Curtis)...what dreams are made of.