News Coronavirus Thread

[mouncey2franklin]

Over 5,000 deaths in the USA in the last two days alone. Grim stuff.

In a country of 300 million people or whatever it is, how many people would normally die in the space of two days?

Asking for a friend.

 

[King Corey]

Asking for a friend.

I dispute your figures.

 

[GarnerSmash]

In a country of 300 million people or whatever it is, how many people would normally die in the space of two days?

Asking for a friend.

Hard to say.

One thing for sure, school shootings are down (yay Merca!). Traffic deaths might also be down too. Whats not down are deaths by COVID-19. They're up compared to previous years.

 

[Sillygit]

I dispute your figures.

Nah, cmon, the people-die-anyway-whats-big-deal perpsective is a big winner with making friends.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Steamin Beamin]

In a country of 300 million people or whatever it is, how many people would normally die in the space of two days?

Asking for a friend.

According to CDC, 2.8 million die a year.
Divide that by 365, so about 7-8000 per day.
Without factoring in reduced death from shootings/car accident/work accident, that's still probably close to 50% increase in daily death rate.

 

[giantroo]

PM: “There are no plans to change the baseline restrictions in place right now for at least four weeks”

 

[Steamin Beamin]

On a side note, anyone with stats background can explain to me what R0 is?

 

[giantroo]

The 7 principles

 

[7577969923]

In a country of 300 million people or whatever it is, how many people would normally die in the space of two days?

Asking for a friend.

From Covid19? Zero. A bad seasonal flu season might see 1,000 to 1,500 in two days.

Bear in mind this is even with significant measures taken to try to slow and stop the spread. To try and claim it is no big deal is just denialism.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

According to CDC, 2.8 million die a year.
Divide that by 365, so about 7-8000 per day.
Without factoring in reduced death from shootings/car accident/work accident, that's still probably close to 50% increase in daily death rate.

That claim rests on a few assumptions, though, doesn't it?

 

[7577969923]

I dispute your figures.

Massively overstated.

 

[giantroo]

 

[7577969923]

That claim rests on a few assumptions, though, doesn't it?

Not really. It is pretty straight forward.

 

[krakouers]

The 7 principles

It may be these glasses but world domination seems a tad excessive...

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The 7 principles

Fair enough. Those principles lay it out for people.

How will those objectives be achieved would be my next question.

 

[giantroo]

We are using a modelling strategy called Nowcasting


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[mouncey2franklin]

Another four weeks and 'maybe' the restrictions can be lifted.

Come on, how utterly hopeless does somebody have to be to not see through this bullshit?

 

[7577969923]

Another four weeks and 'maybe' the restrictions can be lifted.

Come on, how utterly hopeless does somebody have to be to not see through this bullshit?

You never say specifically what you think is bullshit, what specifically you would do differently, what you don't believe, who is lying, and what is their motivation.

 

[King Corey]

That claim rests on a few assumptions, though, doesn't it?

Let's cut to the chase. You're implying:

1. 5,000 people in relation to the US population is tiny proportionately. More or less a rounding error. ie - business as usual, nothing to see here
2. People were dying anyway from other causes so what's the big deal? - ie business as usual, nothing to see here

 

[Steamin Beamin]

That claim rests on a few assumptions, though, doesn't it?

Yep, a lot of assumptions, from literally 20 seconds of googling. But just a mid starting point, you can swing either way.

 

[GarnerSmash]

You never say specifically what you think is bullshit, what specifically you would do differently, what you don't believe, who is lying, and what is their motivation.

something about 5G, ah....lizard people, ah.....gay frogs, ah....project ultra, ah.....flouride in the water, ah.....chip implants in your brain, ah.....and new world order.

 

[giantroo]

2 cases in Vic

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Let's cut to the chase. You're implying:

1. 5,000 people in relation to the US population is tiny proportionately. More or less a rounding error. ie - business as usual, nothing to see here
2. People were dying anyway from other causes so what's the big deal? - ie business as usual, nothing to see here

Not quite.

It has already been established that the new coding system introduced by the CDC will lead to people being recorded as dying from covid, when they have in fact died due to other causes.

They say it themselves:

"... the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not... COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

So if covid is 'assumed' to have 'contributed' to a death, it is now to be recorded as a covid death, according to the CDC.

It has already been established that 99% of people dying after covid diagnosis were already suffering from other major illness.

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Italy's median age of recorded death is in the high 70s, same as Australia and the rest of the world.

Old people die. This is reality. And now those old people who die are being classed as covid deaths due to the CDC's classification system.

Connect those dots and what do you see? Deaths which would have occurred anyway are now being recorded as due to covid.

The problem is, people have been scared shitless by government and news and 24/7 coverage and emotive reports and a social media frenzy.

To admit that he has been fooled, a man has to have a certain degree of humility, which most people are in dire lack of.

So instead they will attack me or my motives, they will let emotion rule over reason, like children being told 'no'.

 

[DesertRoo]

Not quite.

It has already been established that the new coding system introduced by the CDC will lead to people being recorded as dying from covid, when they have in fact died due to other causes.

They say it themselves:

"... the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not... COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death."

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/...w-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

So if covid is 'assumed' to have 'contributed' to a death, it is now to be recorded as a covid death, according to the CDC.

It has already been established that 99% of people dying after covid diagnosis were already suffering from other major illness.

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Italy's median age of recorded death is in the high 70s, same as Australia and the rest of the world.

Old people die. This is reality. And now those old people who die are being classed as covid deaths due to the CDC's classification system.

Connect those dots and what do you see? Deaths which would have occurred anyway are now being recorded as due to covid.

The problem is, people have been scared shitless by government and news and 24/7 coverage and emotive reports and a social media frenzy.

To admit that he has been fooled, a man has to have a certain degree of humility, which most people are in dire lack of.

So instead they will attack me or my motives, they will let emotion rule over reason, like children being told 'no'.

I’m glad you agree with our chief medical officers assessment of the figures coming out of America.
When he said the only numbers he trusts are the Australian ones, he kind of meant it.