News Coronavirus Thread

[ferball]

I think Snake's point is that Trump isn't a health professional and doesn't make decisions based on his mood or feelings, he relies on specialists and makes a decision based on their recommendations. If he said I am going to do X when all my advisors are saying to do Y then I am sure these people would say this is not what I told the president, especially given how serious an issue is.

That doesn't mean he didn't make a bad call and he is implicated in that due to dismantling the pandemic task force when he came into office, but I think the bulk of the media is democratic biased and they have been found countless times lying about Trump and pushing false narratives that it is hard to trust the media there in terms of unbiased political opinion.

I think if he was ignoring expert opinion then it would be common knowledge.



The American testing regime is abysmal. These systems weren't implemented by Trump, it is like the nonsense of blaming Morrison for bushfires or blaming him for going on holidays, like there is anything he can do about it. Media often fans irrational comments that are politically motivated to cause harm simply due to politics.



I think America made a bad call, simply because like us, they had a fairly tight border when the virus was contained in China. When it reached Europe, the country got contaminated. Without completely isolating the country, there is no way to adequately test huge numbers of people.

The major problem is that at a local level, they have been really poor in tracking down people who may have been exposed and placing tighter quarantine controls. Trump couldn't stop muslims from terrorist hotbeads getting into the USA, to make it sound he has some magical power to stop infected people that are impossible to detect en masse getting into the USA is disingenuous.

Given the size, the population and just how much traffic goes through the USA, it is impossible. China did it because they were able to weld people into their apartment complexes and other draconian measures, he doesn't have the same powers. America is facing a looming catastrophe but it is one of numerous levels. He probably made what he believes is the best decision based on the advice of people who think this is the best he can hope to do with the power they have. I am sure UK is also making similar tough choices.

We have a relative small population and are relatively isolated, it is a lot easier for us to be more proactive about it.

No one is blaming Morrison for the bush fires. Those of us who fought them for months, put our lives on the line repeatedly and are now facing a higher risk of death from this campaigner of a virus blame him for his failures in not listening to experts before the fire season, not consulting with the states when he did act, acting like a campaigner around people who'd lost everything but their lives and then made an ad telling us how great he was and just think he's an incompetent piece of shit with no clue.

BTW that woke bloke who made international media sit up and laugh telling the pm to **** off ..

He is a one nation voter. Not a Greenie...

It's not about politics it's about competence.

 

[Groin guru]

No one is blaming Morrison for the bush fires.

 

[ferball]

Thanks man. I'm fine, just unsure how to approach it with work if i can't get a test. I'd rather not take the chance of infecting peeps but would like some certainty. I never get anything more than a sniffle, never had the flu, so don't know how sick i will get if i do have it.

14 day lock down on a hunch is f’ed.

That's a pretty strong bunch of potential evidence to back up your hunch.

Simple question ..

If there is a 10% chance you have it do you want to take the risk of spreading it to others?

 

[ferball]

I must have missed the open letter from concerned doctors when they were abusing the shit out of the pricing that made "elective" procedures, like being able to walk properly, too expensive for even people with private health insurance so they have to overload the public health system.

I mean, it is touching that they care but what are they proposing, we weld everyone into their house like China?

South Korea didn't lock down citizens, they just employed social distancing and mass screenings to identify hot-spots. Their population density is absurdly high, it you would disinfect 1000 square km in SK you would cover 10% of the entire nation or an equivalent of 5.17m people so countermeasures are more impactful. That same area is 0.013% of our area represents about 333k people. it is a lot harder to mobilize or quarantine effectively here because the area is so large. Even if we neglect the large part of the arid country, we are just dispersed way too much, we don't have the resources to implement similar strategies without enforcing martial law and we have no legal framework to do so.

Maybe but the other part of that letter is simply we need to be prepared now cos when it hits next week or the week after (by hits I mean goes mental, not arrives in the country) we won't have enough beds or gear.

It's asking the government to get its shit together.

 

[ferball]

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Read the ****en comment properly.

 

[Horace]

You do realise Gaso Jr and 99,000 other Vic kids have 2 weeks school holidays starting in 10 days...

Of course. But many parents make arrangements to take holidays to coincide with School holidays, helping to reduce the number of grandparents performing child minding activities.

 

[Grogg]

Cabinet in a bit of trouble here you'd think.

 

[Snake_Baker]

At what point did you start defending the worst failures of the state.

The point where these idiots actually control things.

 

[ferball]

We're all gunna die and you f***ers are still sorting out who's the most intelligent. This campaigner has you all licked........







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Edibles and vapes mate. Smoke and this virus are a bad mix.

 

[Tas]

No legal framework, but there are historical precedents, not that’s worth much in this situation.

I am no expert in Australian history, but I believe martial law was only ever used by colonies before federation, that action would have been based on British law.

I think our constitution is poor enough that if the government felt warranted they could probably do it, we have one of the worst constitutions ever put together in terms of protecting individual rights. It is just not a right that is clearly defined either in the constitution or legislation like defense act, neither document even bothers to define what domestic violence is and it is the basis for the ability of the government to deploy troops. Australia being half-arsed hasn't been a relatively new phenomenon.

Our constitution should just be called **** It. We'll work it out on the fly.

 

[ferball]

The point where these idiots actually control things.

They make decisions and the act in a way that sets an example.

You yourself made the comment about closing the pandemic team down coming back to bite him. It has but I'm more up him about his response to that journo where he threw other people to the wolves in a moment of panic.. That's not leadership its leadershit - and a real sign of poor character.


Morrison could have said "I'd like to go to the footy on Saturday and my mates Jesus rorting, hick fleecing party on Sunday but I've been exposed to a positive case so if there's even the slightest chance of passing this on I'll forgo it."

That is what I'd have done.

They are both examples of ... idiots controlling things.

Trump closing the pandemic crew is less of a big deal than some other things, stupid, with hindsight, but kind of ideologically understandable.

Morrison failed to lead by example. And that's after a reasonable start to managing this. The stimulus wasn't shit government at all. But he needs to do more. Renters and mortgage holders won't have their usual incomes soon. If he manages the rest of it well I'll happily praise him, if I'm still here.

As I said up thread, he failed during the fires, in so many ways and I hope he has learnt cos he is leading the country. He has to be up to it - there's no one else - but I don't think he is.

It's on him to mobilise what resources we have in the best way he can now.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Do you feel better now?

 

[Tas]

No one is blaming Morrison for the bush fires. Those of us who fought them for months, put our lives on the line repeatedly and are now facing a higher risk of death from this campaigner of a virus blame him for his failures in not listening to experts before the fire season, not consulting with the states when he did act, acting like a campaigner around people who'd lost everything but their lives and then made an ad telling us how great he was and just think he's an incompetent piece of shit with no clue.

BTW that woke bloke who made international media sit up and laugh telling the pm to fu** off ..

He is a one nation voter. Not a Greenie...

It's not about politics it's about competence.

You don't think anyone blamed Morrison, really?

The media definitely ran that narrative based on climate change hysteria, that kind of vanished once we hit record rainfalls during summer.

Yeah, I don't like Morrison, I think he is a clown. But he is a clown who is being told by "experts" what he should be doing. That doesn't mean the experts he is listening to aren't full of shit. I mean, if you listen to 100 Economic experts, you will end up with 100 different opinions, a lot comes down to who it is.

If the chief medical officer isn't representative of specialist medical opinion then we have an issue, but I am not sure if a bunch of GPs giving their opinion on national policy when it comes to pandemics is constructive, I would hope we listen to worldwide specialist opinion from those who are experts in pandemics, i don't care how many Aspirin prescribing GPs who haven't seen anything worse than the flu sign an open letter. So context is very important.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

You're premiers mate, let your hair down, 'a slab' is not enough!
Unless you are the only drinker of course

Corona was just for photo opportunities.

Made the team of the year, but can't bask in the glory because no presentation night. Will be divorced by Tuesday. Beers Sat, Sun and Mon after tonight.

I won a flag at another club 22 years ago but this one is special as it is the 1st flag our club has won in the top grade here.

 

[Billy Not Really]

Most people experience that stuff from their lounge room.

Don't care, we all experienced tragedies in some form or another.

I'm not copping the narrative that the country is weak. I'm not a pessimist when it comes to my own nation and I take offence to the idea of assumed weakness.

 

[StiffArm]

Do you feel better now?

Low effort post is low effort.

How do you then go and suggest people shouldn't have bothered posting?

 

[dus]

Mining companies with large (1000 +) camps don’t seem to be shutting down.

if fact, we’re sending more than ever up there.

 

[Gasometer]

Of course. But many parents make arrangements to take holidays to coincide with School holidays, helping to reduce the number of grandparents performing child minding activities.

Well let’s hope that some also have the common sense to cancel all of those Easter Weekend trips and meet ups

 

[The Other Dean]

Good times.

I have seen plenty of music in plenty of places, but i don't think anything beat the Melbourne music scene in the early 90s.

Agreed.

Some places might seem better, eg London, but it was so spread out and hard to keep track of. Melbourne had tight street press and radio and all the shows were within 15kms - city, st kilda, fitzroy, richmond, and the best bands in the world coming to play.

Spent the early 90's living in a flat on Fitzroy Street, almost directly across from the Prince. Saw all sorts of fine bands just playing low-key, mid-week gigs and residencies in the front bar upstairs, and all it took was crossing the road. Excellent bands (The Hollowmen, Barb Waters & The Rough Diamonds, The Wreckery, The Fireballs, Not Drowning Waving, the Meanies, etc, etc) playing to all of half a dozen people. Even bands from o/s - I remember seeing Sebadoh play in the front bar to a "crowd" of about 20-30.

And then of course if nothing was going on at the Prince, it was 2 minutes around the corner to the Espy, which was also pumping out quality live music 7 nights a week. Plus the metric shitload of venues doing likewise across the river. Completely spoiled for choice. Great times indeed.

Moved to London for a couple of years after that and was a little disappointed with the live music scene there. And like you say, Camden area notwithstanding, it's all pretty spread out. Probably saw more live music once I moved to Reading.

 

[D23D]

Just looking at the stats, Germany seems to be handling things better than others. Germany has nearly twice as many cases as USA. However, they have only 20 deaths and 1 critical. USA has 93 deaths and 12 critical. France has less cases than Germany but has 148 deaths and 400 critical! Australia seem to tracking fairly well on that score so far.


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I wonder if there is any correlation between sever cases and countries that do or don't have high levels of annual flu jabs.
Maybe putting the body into fight mode helps against a new virus in which the body reacts to in a similar way.
There must be a reason for this disparity between say Germany and France with there similar numbers of cases but vastly different number of deaths
(assuming similar levels of care)

 

[Snake_Baker]

I wonder if there is any correlation between sever cases and countries that do or don't have high levels of annual flu jabs.
Maybe putting the body into fight mode helps against a new virus in which the body reacts to in a similar way.

No mate.

Vaccines are specific to a particular epitope (protein sequence) of a particular virus.

Think of it like a key opening a lock. Now, there can be several different keys that will open one particular lock, but a key/s for one particular lock, will not open any other lock*.

*It is statistically possible, but highly improbable.

 

[D23D]

No mate.

Vaccines are specific to a particular epitope (protein sequence) of a particular virus.

Think of it like a key opening a lock. Now, there can be several different keys that will open one particular lock, but a key/s for one particular lock, will not open any other lock*.

*It is statistically possible, but highly improbable.

Yes it makes sense.
I was told once with regards to the flu jab, that even though it's made to work against a particular strain, there can be some 'stickiness' to other (similar I suppose) strains.
Is that your understanding??

 

[Horizons_00]

So who thinks we’re going to all go into self isolation?

Most businesses are already making their staff work from home (if available) and shut down for a few weeks already

Surely it’s happening soon. Why wait for the inevitable? If the government is planning to anyways just do it now

There is no food left on the shelves and my mate from Coles said they are days behind in their orders. They can’t keep up with the unnecessary panic

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I am no expert in Australian history, but I believe martial law was only ever used by colonies before federation, that action would have been based on British law.

I think our constitution is poor enough that if the government felt warranted they could probably do it, we have one of the worst constitutions ever put together in terms of protecting individual rights. It is just not a right that is clearly defined either in the constitution or legislation like defense act, neither document even bothers to define what domestic violence is and it is the basis for the ability of the government to deploy troops. Australia being half-arsed hasn't been a relatively new phenomenon.

Our constitution should just be called fu** It. We'll work it out on the fly.

We did it with the mandated ‘Australian’ territory in New Guinea during the Second World War for a brief period. We introduced new legislation to make it happen and then repealed it a little while after.

 

[Del191229]

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