News Coronavirus Thread

[7577969923]

Flu vaccines have helped, but the numbers are still higher than Corona Virus without a vaccine. Except for last year.

Coronavirus is less than 3 months from the first identified infection and we are at 307k confirmed and 13k deaths so far. I think the "it's not as bad as the flu argument" is pretty weak when you look at the worst-case outcome from Covid 19, like Italy is experiencing right now.

 

[Billy Not Really]

Italy it seems are an outlier and aren’t comparable.

I haven't looked too far into Italys situation, but they have an extremely open border policy as part of the EU, their population and traffic of tourism + migration is extremely high, geographically and politically alone they are miles apart from us.

A majority of the cases also take place in the northern part of Italy, which coincidentally, is where the largest percentile of Italy's older aged populace resides, Italy in general has a very old age demographics, they were a ticking time bomb for this.

Italy is off the charts and we aint there at all. Alls i know is that our hospitals are expecting shit to get real.

They're wise to expect it, all hospitals prepare for the worst, what I'm wondering is how are we tracking right now in terms of occupation in hospitals, is it way above normal, are we guaranteed to experience worse? So far I'm not seeing much on that topic, and its hard to say if we're actually going to experience an over-capacity issue.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Everyone gotta quarantine and homebody introverts be all like

My new to-do-list for next week:
Extended versions of the LOTR.
All star wars movies and shows.
All Pirates of the Carribean
All episodes of Breaking Bad, GOT and Homeland
A few dozen books to catch up on.

Sadly, it's little different from a normal week.

 

[GarnerSmash]

They're wise to expect it, all hospitals prepare for the worst, what I'm wondering is how are we tracking right now in terms of occupation in hospitals, is it way above normal, are we guaranteed to experience worse? So far I'm not seeing much on that topic, and its hard to say if we're actually going to experience an over-capacity issue.

The govt are not going to come out and say directly that people are going to die because hospitals will not be able to cope with severe cases. As it stands things are well under control, but i can guarantee you that hospitals are not just preparing for many severe cases and many deaths, but expecting it.

We all hope thay are wrong, as do they, but their informed stance is that they are not.

 

[7577969923]

Do we have any data tracked about hospitals becoming overworked, and is there any evidence to suggest that in say, 1-3 weeks they will be overwhelmed?

We can't look at Italy as the golden rule, we aren't in the same scenario.
I have surgery in April, expecting it to be cancelled, hospital says they're fine and I'm still good to go.

My sister is a nurse in the public system and they are definitely preparing for a massive increase in patients over the next two to three weeks.

I think our politicians will be looking at Italy right now and breaking out in cold sweats. It is likely that a week from now over 10,000 people will have died in Italy from an infection that was first detected in the country only about 5 weeks ago. I don't think we can just assume we are different from Italy.

 

[Gasometer]

The figures I keep hearing about Italy's situation are absolutely horrendous, and seemingly getting worse by the day.

The figures are figures
Look on YouTube for Skynews Italian Ward from the past couple of days
Dying in a crowded ward with a plastic bubble on your head, and without loved ones around you is scary sad

 

[CURVE]

Coronavirus is less than 3 months from the first identified infection and we are at 307k confirmed and 13k deaths so far. I think the "it's not as bad as the flu argument" is pretty weak when you look at the worst-case outcome from Covid 19, like Italy is experiencing right now.

What Italy is experiencing is still minor compared to the US in 2017 when over 60,000 people died from Influenza.

 

[Billy Not Really]

The govt are not going to come out and say directly that people are going to die because hospitals will not be able to cope with severe cases. As it stands things are well under control, but i can guarantee you that hospitals are not just preparing for many severe cases and many deaths, but expecting it.

We all hope thay are wrong, as do they, but their informed stance is that they are not.

That still doesn't forecast anything, I get what you're saying though.

But I really I'm with TennisPlayerAndy on this, I can't see our death toll reaching the extreme heights others have forecasted here, I think the situation has gotten TOO in control, the measures the govt took into place just a week ago have now completely changed, and if you ask me it was the ramifications of the scenes at Bondi Beach as a primary example, which in turn has now put the entire country to an absolute standstill, which is what I feared.

Opinion | Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease? (Published 2020)

There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Ralph said football departments about to be stripped bare. AFL looking to get a line of credit.

 

[Billy Not Really]

I don't think we can just assume we are different from Italy.

We are though, empirically. The reasons I listed above aren't just personality differences, those are extremely impact differences that make or break countries in a situation like this, we are nothing like Italy, that is just a fact.

Ofcourse its the right mindset to look at them and think "We can't have this", but at what cost?

Well, the economy for one, jobs, etc. For every reaction we have, theres an equal amount of action that passively takes place upon the country.

 

[GarnerSmash]

That still doesn't forecast anything, I get what you're saying.

But I really I'm with TennisPlayerAndy on this, I can't see our death toll reaching the extreme heights others have forecasted here, I think the situation has gotten TOO in control, the measures the govt took into place just a week ago have now completely changed, and if you ask me it was the ramifications of the scenes at Bondi Beach as a primary example, which in turn has now put the entire country to an absolute standstill, which is what I feared.

Opinion | Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease? (Published 2020)

There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.

www.nytimes.com

Those i know involved in the front line and planning dont think it is over the top, and this includes an ID specialist involved in response planning and a palliative care specialist.

I think the main diff between us and Italy though is that it went nutso through theor elderly community early so I don't think it will be as bad as that here. Fingers crossed.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Churchies want a free pass from mass gatherings.

Nutjobs.

Religion really does completely blunt critical thinking.

 

[muttley45]

The figures are figures
Look on YouTube for Skynews Italian Ward from the past couple of days
Dying in a crowded ward with a plastic bubble on your head, and without loved ones around you is scary sad

I saw a story where they are now using churches as mortuary's, they have run out of rubber gloves for doctors ffs

 

[Billy Not Really]

Those i know involved in the front line and planning dont think it is over the top, and this includes an ID specialist involved in response planning and a palliative care specialist.

That's their opinion, and I don't think their job qualifies theirs as something to be placed above all others.

If I was in their job I'd think the same thing, naturally.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I read somewhere that a whole lot of Chinese people went to Milan to make dresses at the height of the pandemic.

Could have something to do with it.

 

[Gasometer]

I saw a story where they are now using churches as mortuary's, they have run out of rubber gloves for doctors ffs

Love that joint. I even married one. It is so sad.

 

[GarnerSmash]

That's their opinion, and I don't think their job qualifies theirs as something to be placed above all others.

If I was in their job I'd think the same thing, naturally.

Really? Its their job to understand epidemiology and the potential medical impacts of this moreso than pretty much anyone else. I would have thought listening to experts and preparing in line with their recommendations is exactly what we should be doing.

Anyways, I will be following their advice. I'd hate to be a link in a chain that ends up with a death that could have been avoided.

 

[7577969923]

What Italy is experiencing is still minor compared to the US in 2017 when over 60,000 people died from Influenza.

That would be from approximately 30 million infections. The numbers are large but the mortality rate much lower than Covid 19. The doctors in Italy deal with seasonal flu every year as well and not one of them would tell you Covid 19 is better.

 

[Billy Not Really]

Really? Its their job to understand epidemiology and the potential medical impacts of this moreso than pretty much anyone else. I would have thought listening to experts and preparing in line with their recommendations is exactly what we should be doing.

Anyways, I will be following their advice. I'd hate to be a link in a chain that ends up with a death that could have been avoided.

Yes, because anyone can research this from the top virologists and scientists in the world right now from anywhere, and even then there are experts who say "I don't know what's going to happen", which in my opinion, is the only right answer.

We don't know.

 

[krakouers]

NRL officially shuts down over Coronavirus crisis

In an unprecedented blow, the NRL season has been suspended indefinitely — effective immediately — after Queensland announced it would be shutting its borders to try and contain the outbreak.

thewest.com.au

Peter V’landys vows: NRL season will continue despite AFL bombshell
Paul CrawleyThe Daily Telegraph
Sunday, 22 March 2020 1:40PM

Cowboys star Jason Taumalolo arrives at Bankstown Airport for his side’s clash with the Bulldogs at ANZ Stadium. Credit: News Corp Australia, Jonathan Ng

Despite the AFL’s bombshell decision to postpone its season, Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’Landys says the NRL has not changed its stance.
In the wake of the AFL’s bombshell decision to postpone its season on Sunday afternoon, the Australian Rugby League Commission chairman told The Daily Telegraph that the NRL had not changed its stance.
V’landys was aware of the AFL’s move but said the NRL was in a better position to push forward because it had already implemented chartered flights to transport every team.

It is understood a meeting of the national cabinet on Sunday night will draft legislation to prevent all interstate travel that is deemed non-essential.
But this is also expected to include wiggle room for the individual state premiers to allow sports to continue and it will be judged on a case-to-case basis.
“I honestly don’t know (if this could change),” V’landys said, “it is moving so fast.

Cowboys star Jason Taumalolo arrives at Bankstown Airport for his side’s clash with the Bulldogs at ANZ Stadium. Credit: News Corp Australia, Jonathan Ng
“We have said from day one that we will act in accordance with the medical health officers and the biosecurity experts.
“It is much harder for the AFL to be fair to them because they have got teams in Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia.
“So all these travel restrictions are certainly going to affect them.
“We are a little bit different.
“If the health authorities allow it we will be still playing.
“Unless the chief medical officers say otherwise.”
V’landys thinks sporting teams will be able to travel interstate as long as they have proper health standards in place.
V’landys said there was no plan as yet to get all NRL teams to play out of one state.
“Not at this stage because while we can still have chartered planes to take them around and the states allow us like South Australia has there is no difference,” V’landys said.
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Earlier, V’landys said he had not received any confirmation from the government that the NRL season would be suspended immediately and said that the decision to implement private flights for all teams could save the game.
“We are just checking at the moment to see what this non-essential travel means but first off we charter our planes and secondly it is work travel,” V’landys said.
“The Prime Minister did say travel for work was still ok.
“We are going to investigate and see what it all means but I am not overly panicking at the moment because there is not enough detail.
“We have to look at all contingencies and I have to wait until tonight because there could be more (updates) because national cabinet is meeting tonight.
“It just highlights what I said last Sunday.
“We have to plan for every contingency and what we are doing today we might not be doing tomorrow. Decisions we make today will probably change tomorrow.”
The NRL has already locked out all non-essential staff from games and have introduced strict self-isolation guidelines.

bet this changes

 

[GarnerSmash]

Yes, because anyone can research this from the top virologists and scientists in the world right now from anywhere, and even then there are experts who say "I don't know what's going to happen", which in my opinion, is the only right answer.

We don't know.

So let's prepare for the worst then, yeah?

 

[Only Forwards]

Churchies want a free pass from mass gatherings.

Nutjobs.

But maybe their skyman will protect them

 

[amaz199]

Italy has a higher mortality rate because overall it has a higher median population age (45.4) compared to other countries (highest in Europe). The average age of those killed by COVID-19 is roughly 78.5. Almost 99% of them were also already suffering from a condition.

Not only that, but their healthcare system is unprepared and completely overwhelmed.

Why Italy? The factors behind a coronavirus disaster

Why Italy?

www.channelnewsasia.com

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

NRL cannot afford to stop, they are even worse off than the AFL.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Italy has a higher mortality rate because overall it has a higher median population age (45.4) compared to other countries (highest in Europe). The average age of those killed by COVID-19 is roughly 78.5. Almost 99% of them were also already suffering from a condition.

Not only that, but their healthcare system is unprepared and completely overwhelmed.

Why Italy? The factors behind a coronavirus disaster

Why Italy?

www.channelnewsasia.com

Hmmm.

Factual information not based on hyperbole.