News Coronavirus Thread

[Orange Peanut]

This goes a step further thou, and connects who you’ve been in contact with, where and at what time.

think of it this way, in the future if you go and protest the G20 with your phone in your pocket, they’ll be able to track everyone who‘s present, who spoke with whom, and they’ll be able to follow each vector straight back to their house.

another scenario, if you’re a journalist and you’ve managed to find a source exposing gov war crimes, law enforcement will be able to push rewind on your life and track every person you’ve had contact with longer then 10 seconds.
They’ll be able to easily cross reverence a database of gov employees to find out who that source was.

it’s wrong.

I get all that, but shit if the guy helping me at Bunnings yesterday ends up in ICU next week, I'd like to know about it.

Wouldn't most people?

 

[7577969923]

I get all that, but shit if the guy helping me at Bunnings yesterday ends up in ICU next week, I'd like to know about it.

Wouldn't most people?

I think most people would happily trade-off being traceable if there was a clear health benefit and especially if it meant that we could open up the country again.

 

[Orange Peanut]

Yeah well, there's an undisclosed controversy about that scenario.

He didn't do it.

The bloke convicted for killing his hairdresser wife?

OK, now I'm really interested.

 

[Steamin Beamin]

This goes a step further thou, and connects who you’ve been in contact with, where and at what time.

think of it this way, in the future if you go and protest the G20 with your phone in your pocket, they’ll be able to track everyone who‘s present, who spoke with whom, and they’ll be able to follow each vector straight back to their house.

another scenario, if you’re a journalist and you’ve managed to find a source exposing gov war crimes, law enforcement will be able to push rewind on your life and track every person you’ve had contact with longer then 10 seconds.
They’ll be able to easily cross reverence a database of gov employees to find out who that source was.

it’s wrong.

This might just be paranoia but I've always believed that they're doing all this already.
If I can think of it, I'm sure there's someone elsewhere in the world that has implemented it.

 

[Val Keating]

Im sure this has been covered before, but what do you lot make of this?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Very sus. Can’t see America doing that. The Chinese government is evil

 

[ferball]

.........and don't think for one second that the LNP or ALP differ one iota when it comes to this stuff.

100% agree with this.

 

[ferball]

I get all that, but shit if the guy helping me at Bunnings yesterday ends up in ICU next week, I'd like to know about it.

Wouldn't most people?

You will probably know about it anyway given how good our contact tracing seems to be.

 

[ferball]

I think most people would happily trade-off being traceable if there was a clear health benefit and especially if it meant that we could open up the country again.

I asked you this before, but how do you turn it off. Not just individually but as a society?

You know about anti association and anti consorting laws don't you?

They can be applied arbitrarily to any group, perhaps an organisation devoted to action on climate change for example. Ate you happy for this technology to be available to enforce that? Cos it will be.

Its already illegal to attempt to hide your com's from the government using particular software.

Anyway they reckon they only need 40% uptake to make it work so go for it, just don't expect me to.

 

[ferball]

Im sure this has been covered before, but what do you lot make of this?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Very sus. Can’t see America doing that. The Chinese government is evil

Do you have more than one phone account or simcard?

 

[Val Keating]

Do you have more than one phone account or simcard?

No.

 

[koshari]

I see the 5G conspiracy theorists are in full swing tonight all social media...

Thoughts?

the whole thing that makes 5g capable of more throughput is smaller cells and more backhaul to more cells. thus meaning each cell whilst having smaller range can handle more data to collective end users as less of them are hanging of each cell. smaller cells mean less power transmitters are required to carry the data over smaller distances, so the transmitter you have up against your ear as well as the fixed infrastructure emit less radio energy. not that the truth has ever been a great requirement for a good story.

 

[Val Keating]

Wuhan Residents Dismiss Official Coronavirus Death Toll: 'The Incinerators Have Been Working Around the Clock' | National Review

 

[7577969923]

Im sure this has been covered before, but what do you lot make of this?

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Very sus. Can’t see America doing that. The Chinese government is evil

Doing what?

Do you know how many active mobile accounts there were in China before the virus lockdown?

 

[Val Keating]

Doing what?

Do you know how many active mobile accounts there were in China before the virus lockdown?

15-20M more

 

[Val Keating]

Coronavirus coverup is ‘China’s Chernobyl moment,’ warn 100 politicians, experts

Coronavirus coverup is ‘China’s Chernobyl moment,’ warn 100 politicians, experts - National | Globalnews.ca

More than 100 politicians and global China experts are condemning the country's alleged coverup of the coronavirus.

globalnews.ca

“There have been repeated intelligence leaks in recent weeks casting doubt on the official case numbers of the novel coronavirus reported by China to the World Health Organization.

That report cited three U.S. intelligence officials calling the data from China “intentionally incomplete.”

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The following day, the New York Times reported that the CIA had been warning the American administration since early February that China’s coronavirus tallies could not be trusted.

The intelligence officials cited in that report said a likely cause was that health officials in Wuhan, China had been hiding the real numbers out of fear of losing their jobs.“

They urge people around the world to confront “an inconvenient truth” about China.

“By politicizing all aspects of life including people’s health, continued autocratic one-party rule in the People’s Republic of China has endangered everyone,” they write, suggesting that the intentions of the Communist Party of China can no longer be trusted.

“We should pay greater attention to the voices of what can be termed ‘unofficial’ China. These independent-minded academics, doctors, entrepreneurs, citizen journalists, public interest lawyers and young students no longer accept the CCP’s rule by fear. Neither should you.”

Other signatories to the letter include U.K. MP Damian Collins, who chaired the international grand committee examining privacy and social media misinformation last year, along with members of Parliament from Lithuania, Estonia, the Czech Republic, the European Parliament and the U.K.

There are also several former ministers of foreign affairs, defence and home affairs, along with a broad range of civil society advocates and academics, including Canadian writer Jonathan Manthorpe.“

 

[Val Keating]

China allowed 5 million people to leave Wuhan after they were aware of the potential of a novel coronavirus outbreak. Dead set campaigners

 

[7577969923]

15-20M more

There were over 1.6 billion active accounts. That's more than one for every person in China. The suspension of 21 million accounts is not the smoking gun that conspiracy theorists would have you believe. Many people operate multiple accounts, especially if they work in a different province from their village. When the country was in lockdown and people were stuck in their apartments on not making any money it was one of the discretionary expenses that got cut.

Probably similar things happening in Aus right now.

 

[ferball]

No.

I know plenty of people who do.

Technically I do cos of the brigade phone but I know people with multiple sims because the deals they like don't give them appropriate international call access or don't have good coverage in rural areas (home) but do in town, at work or various other reasons.

That data point (drop in phone accounts) on its own doesn't mean a lot.

There does seem to be increasing evidence for the Wuhan death toll being under reported but the same thing is happening in the US wrt deaths at home and untested fatalities.

I think that's specifically down to losing the ability to accurately assess numbers when the systems all go to shit.

Feiw I agree about the Chinese gov too. Sus as.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Coronavirus coverup is ‘China’s Chernobyl moment,’ warn 100 politicians, experts

Coronavirus coverup is ‘China’s Chernobyl moment,’ warn 100 politicians, experts - National | Globalnews.ca

More than 100 politicians and global China experts are condemning the country's alleged coverup of the coronavirus.

globalnews.ca

“By politicizing all aspects of life including people’s health, continued autocratic one-party rule in the People’s Republic of China has endangered everyone,” they write, suggesting that the intentions of the Communist Party of China can no longer be trusted.

Anyone who trusts these guys on anything that contradicts their own self interest needs their heads read.

 

[Val Keating]

There were over 1.6 billion active accounts. That's more than one for every person in China. The suspension of 21 million accounts is not the smoking gun that conspiracy theorists would have you believe. Many people operate multiple accounts, especially if they work in a different province from their village. When the country was in lockdown and people were stuck in their apartments on not making any money it was one of the discretionary expenses that got cut.

Probably similar things happening in Aus right now.

Do you believe the Chinese military dictatorships official numbers?

 

[DesertRoo]

I think most people would happily trade-off being traceable if there was a clear health benefit and especially if it meant that we could open up the country again.

I’ve got this magnificent bridge for sale...

 

[Val Keating]

I know plenty of people who do.

Technically I do cos of the brigade phone but I know people with multiple sims because the deals they like don't give them appropriate international call access or don't have good coverage in rural areas (home) but do in town, at work or various other reasons.

That data point (drop in phone accounts) on its own doesn't mean a lot.

There does seem to be increasing evidence for the Wuhan death toll being under reported but the same thing is happening in the US wrt deaths at home and untested fatalities.

I think that's specifically down to losing the ability to accurately assess numbers when the systems all go to shit.

Feiw I agree about the Chinese gov too. Sus as.

Bro have you seen the heat map over Wuhan around the time of the breakout? Shits Crazy.

 

[Val Keating]

I think most people would happily trade-off being traceable if there was a clear health benefit and especially if it meant that we could open up the country again.

**** that! Are you serious? Do you realise what that would lead to? Ffs

 

[krakouers]

I’ve got this magnificent bridge for sale...

Bridge? Nah mate, ive got one of these...

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[Val Keating]

Turn the heat up on these lying campaigners

GOP senators, starting probe, demand WHO turn over details on COVID-19's origin

GOP senators on Tuesday requested a sweeping list of materials regarding what they called “WHO’s failed and delayed response to the Coronavirus.”

abcnews.go.com