News Coronavirus Thread

[7577969923]

Do you believe the Chinese military dictatorships official numbers?

Not really but this is not the smoking gun evidence.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Turn the heat up on these lying campaigners

GOP senators, starting probe, demand WHO turn over details on COVID-19's origin

GOP senators on Tuesday requested a sweeping list of materials regarding what they called “WHO’s failed and delayed response to the Coronavirus.”

abcnews.go.com

What are the WHO lying about?

 

[7577969923]

fu** that! Are you serious? Do you realise what that would lead to? Ffs

I'm just saying that in my opinion if you said to the general public in Australia you can all go back to work, back to the pub, the footy etc, but the trade-off is you have to let us have the ability to track your movements via your mobile phone for the purpose of being able to conduct rapid contact tracing in the event of any new positive tests, I believe the majority would accept it. Especially if they believe the alternative is 6 months of stage 3 lockdown. That is all I am saying so you can keep your bridges and statues of liberty.

 

[Val Keating]

What are the WHO lying about?

I’m referring to China as lying

 

[DesertRoo]

I'm just saying that in my opinion if you said to the general public in Australia you can all go back to work, back to the pub, the footy etc, but the trade-off is you have to let us have the ability to track your movements via your mobile phone for the purpose of being able to conduct rapid contact tracing in the event of any new positive tests, I believe the majority would accept it. Especially if they believe the alternative is 6 months of stage 3 lockdown. That is all I am saying so you can keep your bridges and statues of liberty.

Do you put yourself in that category?

 

[Val Keating]

I'm just saying that in my opinion if you said to the general public in Australia you can all go back to work, back to the pub, the footy etc, but the trade-off is you have to let us have the ability to track your movements via your mobile phone for the purpose of being able to conduct rapid contact tracing in the event of any new positive tests, I believe the majority would accept it. Especially if they believe the alternative is 6 months of stage 3 lockdown. That is all I am saying so you can keep your bridges and statues of liberty.

It wouldn’t stop there. Once they had that power, they’d never let it go

 

[Val Keating]

Not really but this is not the smoking gun evidence.

What about the massive crematoriums?

 

[Val Keating]

Yeah. I’m ****ing mad at China. Really ****ing mad. That anger also extends to anyone who played a hand in this not getting contained the moment there was a risk there was a novel virus breaking out

 

[GarnerSmash]

I’m referring to China as lying

Ah so.

Yeah, China won't give a ****.

 

[7577969923]

What about the massive crematoriums?

That would be far more compelling evidence in my mind. What wouldn't surprise me at all is if doctors were told that if anyone dies of a complication of Covid19 like pneumonia then their death is recorded as a pneumonia death. That would be a way of manipulating the figures that would exclude a large proportion of Covid19 deaths from the figures.

 

[7577969923]

It wouldn’t stop there. Once they had that power, they’d never let it go

Still doesn't mean the public wouldn't give it to them. It has happened before with things like terrorism where the public is either willing or indifferent to trading off the right to privacy for a perceived benefit of a safer society.

 

[DaveyBoy123]

I’m referring to China as lying

Ah so... Yeah, China won't give a fu**.

Well, they might. If Val gets so mad, that he either loses his job or goes to prison, then he might not be able to afford his mortgage. That's when a Chinese "investor" will step in and graciously buy his house.

 

[Firestarter]

China allowed 5 million people to leave Wuhan after they were aware of the potential of a novel coronavirus outbreak. Dead set campaigners

I can only hope the 30,000 students we let in didn't come from Wuhan...

 

[7577969923]

I can only hope the 30,000 students we let in didn't come from Wuhan...

If they were going to be a problem it would have happened 4 to 6 weeks ago. Our infection numbers suggest that there was no real problem arising from that source.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Universities are going to be hard hit. A lot of their business model and programs are centered on catering to international students.

 

[Steamin Beamin]

I can only hope the 30,000 students we let in didn't come from Wuhan...

Ironically we actually contained that wave quite well, there were only like 11 or something cases that came in in Jan.
However it was when the USA and Iran started getting infected we started having problems.
Unfortunately other countries didn't contain the first wave of Chinese exodus quite as well as Australia.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Ironically we actually contained that wave quite well, there were only like 11 or something cases that came in in Jan.
However it was when the USA and Iran started getting infected we started having problems.
Unfortunately other countries didn't contain the first wave of Chinese exodus quite as well as Australia.

We were a little slow ourselves, but we were quick to ramp up the travel and distancing restrictions come mid March.

 

[7577969923]

Do you put yourself in that category?

If I was confident that there were safeguards in place, that any changes were strictly temporary, that all data collected would be destroyed or at least anonymised at the end of the threat, and that there was sufficient independent oversight, then yes I would be okay with it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

If I was confident that there were safeguards in place, that any changes were strictly temporary, that all data collected would be destroyed or at least anonymised at the end of the threat, and that there was sufficient independent oversight, then yes I would be okay with it.

Likewise. Tracing is an important component in the eradication of the virus in our country, even though I have individual reservations about it all.

 

[DesertRoo]

If I was confident that there were safeguards in place, that any changes were strictly temporary, that all data collected would be destroyed or at least anonymised at the end of the threat, and that there was sufficient independent oversight, then yes I would be okay with it.

Do you trust scomo to be able to do it?
the guy who banned encryption?

 

[Cyber_punk]

I miss gym. Been doing workouts from home but it just ain't the same.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Universities are going to be hard hit. A lot of their business model and programs are centered on catering to international students.

The sector is expecting a $5 billion shortfall in revenue this year. and at this stage it will take up a decade for some institutions to recover. Those with large cash reserves or assets in property will be ok in the short to medium term, but all unis will feel the hit.

There has been a mountain of work done in moving courses from all disciplines on-line. There are the large number of student who have taken leave or have quit their courses for whom fees will not be collected. I believe some institutions have almost a 40% reduction in international numbers this semester, and this will likely carry over into semester 2.

Once courses go online there is less need for the face to face teaching aspect, so sessional teaching roles, which are done on a casual engagement basis or short term contract, will end up disappearing first. Then go the capital works projects, those engaged on short term contracts on such projects or institutional restructures, then come the redundancy packages for ongoing staff.

It is worth noting that there has been a trend in the sector for the centralisation of services to the student body, staff services such as HR, as well as support structures for academic staff in areas like research, commercialisation etc. This means that the current situation will encourage further 'rationalisation' and lead to staff cuts given the movement to remote support and online service.

 

[ferball]

,
Bro have you seen the heat map over Wuhan around the time of the breakout? Shits Crazy.

No but I'd like to.

There is obviously some cover up going on, probably more than one, but why and who organised them is another matter.

I think the Chinese response shows they weren't really in control, and didn't really know what was going on.

And don't forget my default position is they lied and showed the WHO delegation exactly what they wanted it to see. Not the truth of the situation.

Bit I think you are giving them credit for more power and control than they have in terms of stopping it.

 

[Val Keating]

Ah so.

Yeah, China won't give a fu**.

They will if the US cut them off at the knees, which they’re more then capable of doing. China is a paper tiger compared to the US.

Well, they might. If Val gets so mad, that he either loses his job or goes to prison, then he might not be able to afford his mortgage. That's when a Chinese "investor" will step in and graciously buy his house.

Cute. Luckily I don’t have to worry about that. Even though I own my own business I’m not the major bread earner of my house.

 

[Limerick]

It wouldn’t stop there. Once they had that power, they’d never let it go

I would want solid assurances that once the pandemic is over I could opt-out otherwise no go.