Coronavirus

[Les Malone]

Over 3000 people died to achieve that - while a couple of hundred died in each country next door.

honesty is the best policy Kranky, you are not very good answering any sort of questions that don't fit your narrow narrative

 

[Les Malone]

Kranky - no lockdown, how is this happening and where are 100,000 deaths you forecast coming from ?

Numerous studies out from all corners of the globe tell us that corona is no worse a mortality rate than the flu.

But old Kranky then pulls out the new media hysteria, its making kids sick like Kawasaki virus even kids who haven't had corona virus - is that right Kranky ?.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

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Kranky - no lockdown, how is this happening and where are 100,000 deaths you forecast coming from ?

Numerous studies out from all corners of the globe tell us that corona is no worse a mortality rate than the flu.

But old Kranky then pulls out the new media hysteria, its making kids sick like Kawasaki virus even kids who haven't had corona virus - is that right Kranky ?.

That's rubbish Les. You are comparing 3 months of covid to 12 months of flu.

It's primary school level maths that you keep getting wrong.

 

[kranky al]

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Kranky - no lockdown, how is this happening and where are 100,000 deaths you forecast coming from ?

Numerous studies out from all corners of the globe tell us that corona is no worse a mortality rate than the flu.

But old Kranky then pulls out the new media hysteria, its making kids sick like Kawasaki virus even kids who haven't had corona virus - is that right Kranky ?.

Again - i explained quite clearly that you have to look at mortality AND infectiousness.

its ok mate each time you forget - ill keep bringing it up.

 

[Les Malone]

Again - i explained quite clearly that you have to look at mortality AND infectiousness.

its ok mate each time you forget - ill keep bringing it up.

You haven't explained anything.

Explain how you are backing a quite clearly outrageously wrong model we locked down on, explain how the mortality rates for the flu season and covid are roughly the same from testing all over the world, explain how even the mortality rate per million for the flu in Sweden is more than Corona virus.

Explain how this graph signifies 100,000 dying in Sweden like you forecast, no lockdown remember.







I would love if you could explain this below- the official American line.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You haven't explained anything.

Explain how you are backing a quite clearly outrageously wrong model we locked down on, explain how the mortality rates for the flu season and covid are roughly the same from testing all over the world, explain how even the mortality rate per million for the flu in Sweden is more than Corona virus.

Explain how this graph signifies 100,000 dying in Sweden like you forecast, no lockdown remember.

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I would love if you could explain this below- the official American line.

Les, about those Swedish officials that you hold in such high regard....

https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...c/news-story/442a3ba3e0897d02ac1fb18e8a054bdf

 

[faible]

I would love if you could explain this below- the official American line.

In your own words, please explain the below;

 

[Over The Post]

Got a source for that graphic? Very useful.

 

[Les Malone]

In your own words, please explain the below;

fantastic humps, looks particularly childlike and amateur, but at any rate whether they are correct or not i have never said there is no virus or the virus is not killing anyone.

what i have repeatedly said is you quarantine the sick not healthy and the lockdown was built on hysteria and fear not facts and i still believe that to be the case.

had the virus attacked indiscriminately or targeted healthy people and kids i would have agreed wholeheartedly with a lockdown, but it was quite well known from Italy and indeed Wuhan this was not the case, in fact by the time we locked down there was info out that the mortality rate was around flu levels and it only attacked/killed a certain demographic like a seasonal flu

Protect the weak and old and you get on getting on, that is the history of the world and in this case would have also been the correct procedure.

 

[faible]

Got a source for that graphic? Very useful.

Coronavirus tracker: the latest figures as countries fight the Covid-19 resurgence | Free to read

The FT analyses the scale of outbreaks and tracks the vaccine rollouts around the world

www.ft.com

fantastic humps, looks particularly childlike and amateur, but at any rate whether they are correct or not i have never said there is no virus or the virus is not killing anyone.

what i have repeatedly said is you quarantine the sick not healthy and the lockdown was built on hysteria and fear not facts and i still believe that to be the case.

had the virus attacked indiscriminately or targeted healthy people and kids i would have agreed wholeheartedly with a lockdown, but it was quite well known from Italy and indeed Wuhan this was not the case, in fact by the time we locked down there was info out that the mortality rate was around flu levels and it only attacked/killed a certain demographic like a seasonal flu

Protect the weak and old and you get on getting on, that is the history of the world and in this case would have also been the correct procedure.

Have you considered the raw numbers of people that need to be quarantined to achieve that?

Anyone above a certain age or with certain health concerns. Anyone that comes in to contact with those people. At that point you've effectively done exactly what the government has already done.

 

[kranky al]

This is a very sobering read

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

This is the bit les should pay particular attention to:

<<<Many people think COVID-19 kills 1% of patients, and the rest get away with some flulike symptoms. But the story gets more complicated. Many people will be left with chronic kidney and heart problems. Even their neural system is disrupted. There will be hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, possibly more, who will need treatments such as renal dialysis for the rest of their lives. The more we learn about the coronavirus, the more questions arise. We are learning while we are sailing. That’s why I get so annoyed by the many commentators on the sidelines who, without much insight, criticize the scientists and policymakers trying hard to get the epidemic under control. That’s very unfair.>>>>

 

[Les Malone]

Coronavirus tracker: the latest figures as countries fight the Covid-19 resurgence | Free to read

The FT analyses the scale of outbreaks and tracks the vaccine rollouts around the world

www.ft.com

Have you considered the raw numbers of people that need to be quarantined to achieve that?

Anyone above a certain age or with certain health concerns. Anyone that comes in to contact with those people. At that point you've effectively done exactly what the government has already done.

Pretty easy to change or just ramp up protocols around aged care facilities

It's what you call fear factor, most people you speak to say .... i have asthma or i got the flu once really bad or etc etc etc, so i hope i don't get it or i agree with the shutdown, those people in general are not losing their job etc etc etc and of course in general unless they are usually very sick they wont even know they have it, they are scared because of what they are told, not what they should know.

Statistically you have a greater chance of dying from a seasonal flu under the age of 60 or so than the wuhan flu, aged over you probably have a better chance of dying from wuhan, but with both you have a greater chance of dying in a car accident on the way to work.

But that's not how the fear factor works, its a built up hysteria maintained and increased by the media and people buy into it, plenty of losers on this thread continue to do so.

Ten reasons to end the lockdown now

Writing in this magazine a month ago, I applauded the government’s stated aim of trying to follow the science in dealing with Covid. Such promises are easier made than kept. Following science means understanding science. It means engaging with rival interpretations of the limited data in order...

www.spectator.co.uk

Lockdown was enacted on a prediction of 500,000 deaths in the UK, rapidly reduced to 250,000 and then to 20,000. As I write the UK death toll is 30,150. Broadcast media has relentlessly focussed on the number of deaths and emotional stories surrounding victims. While every death is sad, the significance of a death toll can only be understood by looking at the big picture. This pandemic is unique in the way it has been observed and measured. This means that we are testing and counting a far greater proportion of Covid cases than have ever previously been counted for other respiratory infections such as influenza. This is true even though many Covid cases in care homes were not initially included in the numbers. We don’t really know how many people die of flu each year, because the surveillance relies mainly on surrogate measures rather than actual testing, but the estimated number for 2014/15, the highest of recent years, was 28,330. So yes, Covid is a nasty new disease. But even if you assume 40,000 Covid deaths, its death toll is in the same ballpark as diseases we live with, not something so extraordinary as to justify the lockdown reaction.

And because it is new, this is likely to be as bad as it gets (see 9 below). The majority of cases are asymptomatic. The most common symptoms are not fever, cough, headache and respiratory symptoms; they are no symptoms at all. The typical case does not suffer respiratory fibrosis; the disease leaves no mark. Somewhere around 99.9 per cent of those who catch the disease recover. Of those unlucky enough to die, over 90 per cent have pre-existing conditions and were anyway approaching the end of their lives. To say this is not being uncaring: it is simply a fact of life that older people are more likely to die in any event, and especially more likely to die from new types of infection.

 

[Les Malone]

This is the bit les should pay particular attention to:

<<<Many people think COVID-19 kills 1% of patients, and the rest get away with some flulike symptoms. But the story gets more complicated. Many people will be left with chronic kidney and heart problems. Even their neural system is disrupted. There will be hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, possibly more, who will need treatments such as renal dialysis for the rest of their lives. The more we learn about the coronavirus, the more questions arise. We are learning while we are sailing. That’s why I get so annoyed by the many commentators on the sidelines who, without much insight, criticize the scientists and policymakers trying hard to get the epidemic under control. That’s very unfair.>>>>

Perhaps the most extraordinary thing about COVID-19 is its incredibly debilitating effect on the brains of people who don’t have it!

 

[Hawk Dork]

Perhaps the most extraordinary thing about COVID-19 is its incredibly debilitating effect on the brains of people who don’t have it!

Are you using that as your excuse ?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Perhaps the most extraordinary thing about COVID-19 is its incredibly debilitating effect on the brains of people who don’t have it!

That's the stupidest thing you have said, so far.

 

[Number37]

Perhaps the most extraordinary thing about COVID-19 is its incredibly debilitating effect on the brains of people who don’t have it!

It's only a flu...
I don't recall your 5000 posts about last flu season.

 

[faible]

Pretty easy to change or just ramp up protocols around aged care facilities

It's what you call fear factor, most people you speak to say .... i have asthma or i got the flu once really bad or etc etc etc, so i hope i don't get it or i agree with the shutdown, those people in general are not losing their job etc etc etc and of course in general unless they are usually very sick they wont even know they have it, they are scared because of what they are told, not what they should know.

Statistically you have a greater chance of dying from a seasonal flu under the age of 60 or so than the wuhan flu, aged over you probably have a better chance of dying from wuhan, but with both you have a greater chance of dying in a car accident on the way to work.

But that's not how the fear factor works, its a built up hysteria maintained and increased by the media and people buy into it, plenty of losers on this thread continue to do so.

Ten reasons to end the lockdown now

Writing in this magazine a month ago, I applauded the government’s stated aim of trying to follow the science in dealing with Covid. Such promises are easier made than kept. Following science means understanding science. It means engaging with rival interpretations of the limited data in order...

www.spectator.co.uk

Lockdown was enacted on a prediction of 500,000 deaths in the UK, rapidly reduced to 250,000 and then to 20,000. As I write the UK death toll is 30,150. Broadcast media has relentlessly focussed on the number of deaths and emotional stories surrounding victims. While every death is sad, the significance of a death toll can only be understood by looking at the big picture. This pandemic is unique in the way it has been observed and measured. This means that we are testing and counting a far greater proportion of Covid cases than have ever previously been counted for other respiratory infections such as influenza. This is true even though many Covid cases in care homes were not initially included in the numbers. We don’t really know how many people die of flu each year, because the surveillance relies mainly on surrogate measures rather than actual testing, but the estimated number for 2014/15, the highest of recent years, was 28,330. So yes, Covid is a nasty new disease. But even if you assume 40,000 Covid deaths, its death toll is in the same ballpark as diseases we live with, not something so extraordinary as to justify the lockdown reaction.

And because it is new, this is likely to be as bad as it gets (see 9 below). The majority of cases are asymptomatic. The most common symptoms are not fever, cough, headache and respiratory symptoms; they are no symptoms at all. The typical case does not suffer respiratory fibrosis; the disease leaves no mark. Somewhere around 99.9 per cent of those who catch the disease recover. Of those unlucky enough to die, over 90 per cent have pre-existing conditions and were anyway approaching the end of their lives. To say this is not being uncaring: it is simply a fact of life that older people are more likely to die in any event, and especially more likely to die from new types of infection.

Unsurprisingly, none of what you wrote entails any form of facts and continues your 'just a flu' narrative.

 

[Les Malone]

It's only a flu...
I don't recall your 5000 posts about last flu season.

That's because in any given year we don't shut down with the flu, only 1.5 million people die of the flu every year!.

funny how unemployed and public servants who are in no danger of losing anything but just gaining cant reason with factual information

 

[Ghost Patrol]

That's because in any given year we don't shut down with the flu, only 1.5 million people die of the flu every year!.

funny how unemployed and public servants who are in no danger of losing anything but just gaining cant reason with factual information

This research gig just isn't working out Les, we are going to have to let you go.

 

[Les Malone]

Unsurprisingly, none of what you wrote entails any form of facts and continues your 'just a flu' narrative.

unsurprisingly you like many others are unable to answer any questions but just post a graph looking like you made it in year 7 computer games

 

[Les Malone]

That's the stupidest thing you have said, so far.

here, i will say it again, try to read it this time ....

Perhaps the most extraordinary thing about COVID-19 is its incredibly debilitating effect on the brains of people who don’t have it!

 

[Number37]

That's because in any given year we don't shut down with the flu, only 1.5 million people die of the flu every year!.

funny how unemployed and public servants who are in no danger of losing anything but just gaining cant reason with factual information

How does one "reason with factual information"?

 

[Les Malone]

How does one "reason with factual information"?

more than what you currently do!

 

[Number37]

more than what you currently do!

More than what I currently do what?

 

[kranky al]

Perhaps the most extraordinary thing about COVID-19 is its incredibly debilitating effect on the brains of people who don’t have it!

1)The person i quoted did have it
2) The person i quoted is a virologist with 30 years experience fighting ebola and other such deadly afflictions.