Coronavirus

[Les Malone]

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it appears all you can do is make stuff up, you are an expert.

 

[Les Malone]

Meanwhile in the real world, peer reviewed study.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766367

.02 Mortality rate

just like the flu

 

[kranky al]

Meanwhile in the real world, peer reviewed study.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766367

.02 Mortality rate

just like the flu

Doesnt seem to mention that anywhere.

i searched for 0.02 and mortality and read it several times and it didnt mention anything about that.

 

[Les Malone]

Correction

its .2

not .02

 

[kranky al]

Correction

its .2

not .02

Right so you got it wrong by a factor of ten
But this still doesnt address the fact that mortality rate of 0.2 or 0.02 or 202 isnt mentioned at all in that study that states specifically


<<This study has limitations. Selection bias is likely. The estimated prevalence may be biased due to nonresponse or that symptomatic persons may have been more likely to participate. Prevalence estimates could change with new information on the accuracy of test kits used. Also, the study was limited to 1 county. Serologic testing in other locations is warranted to track the progress of the epidemic.>>>

And thirdly where does it mention the peer review.

 

[Les Malone]

Right so you got it wrong by a factor of ten
But this still doesnt address the fact that mortality rate of 0.2 or 0.02 or 202 isnt mentioned at all in that study that states specifically


<<This study has limitations. Selection bias is likely. The estimated prevalence may be biased due to nonresponse or that symptomatic persons may have been more likely to participate. Prevalence estimates could change with new information on the accuracy of test kits used. Also, the study was limited to 1 county. Serologic testing in other locations is warranted to track the progress of the epidemic.>>>

And thirdly where does it mention the peer review.

Jama network is peer reviewed, every study has limitations

and you need to download it, or read an article on it.

Los Angeles study backs Stanford researchers' conclusion about high prevalence of COVID-19

Days after Stanford University researchers suggested that COVID-19 cases in the county are far less deadly than originally thought, a new study in Los Angeles County largely mirrored that conclusion.

www.paloaltoonline.com

The Stanford study, led by Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid, concluded that the mortality rate in Santa Clara County is between 0.12% and 0.2%. (In contrast, the county's mortality rate based solely on official cases and deaths as of last Friday, April 17, was 3.9%.)

Sood likewise said at a Monday news conference that because the number of infections in Los Angeles County cases appears to be so much higher than the number of confirmed cases, the actual mortality rate is lower.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Meanwhile in the real world, peer reviewed study.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766367

.02 Mortality rate

just like the flu

Flu doesn't wreck economies Les. This virus is heaps smarter than the flu.

It's starting to make you look dumb.

 

[Les Malone]

Flu doesn't wreck economies Les. This virus is heaps smarter than the flu.

It's even making you look dumb.

in this case politicians and the media have wrecked an economy and of course the hysterical ninnies who buy into it, but in your case you like it, because you get double dole money, you want it to continue, you posted it.

that makes you smart ?.

 

[kranky al]

Jama network is peer reviewed, every study has limitations

and you need to download it, or read an article on it.

Los Angeles study backs Stanford researchers' conclusion about high prevalence of COVID-19

Days after Stanford University researchers suggested that COVID-19 cases in the county are far less deadly than originally thought, a new study in Los Angeles County largely mirrored that conclusion.

www.paloaltoonline.com

The Stanford study, led by Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid, concluded that the mortality rate in Santa Clara County is between 0.12% and 0.2%. (In contrast, the county's mortality rate based solely on official cases and deaths as of last Friday, April 17, was 3.9%.)

Sood likewise said at a Monday news conference that because the number of infections in Los Angeles County cases appears to be so much higher than the number of confirmed cases, the actual mortality rate is lower.

And couple it with a high infectiousness rate and you have ....

 

[Les Malone]

And couple it with a high infectiousness rate and you have ....

a backtracking old ninny, that's what we have here

 

[owen87]

Jama network is peer reviewed, every study has limitations

and you need to download it, or read an article on it.

Los Angeles study backs Stanford researchers' conclusion about high prevalence of COVID-19

Days after Stanford University researchers suggested that COVID-19 cases in the county are far less deadly than originally thought, a new study in Los Angeles County largely mirrored that conclusion.

www.paloaltoonline.com

The Stanford study, led by Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid, concluded that the mortality rate in Santa Clara County is between 0.12% and 0.2%. (In contrast, the county's mortality rate based solely on official cases and deaths as of last Friday, April 17, was 3.9%.)

Sood likewise said at a Monday news conference that because the number of infections in Los Angeles County cases appears to be so much higher than the number of confirmed cases, the actual mortality rate is lower.

Except somewhere between 0.15% (minimum 13,156 lab tested and confirmed COVID-19 deaths) and 0.27% (based on 23,000 total excess deaths) of the actual population in NYC has already died from this. Based on estimates of actual numbers of cases being 10 x higher than the confirmed, that leaves us with a 0.77% - 1.35% range for death if you contract it based on an estimate of total actual cases.

Weirdly enough, Australia is considered amongst the world leaders for testing and case identification, and based on our confirmed numbers we're showing 1.41% of total cases being fatal, and 1.53% of cases with an outcome being fatal. How wrong those figures are obviously depends on your level of conspiracy beliefs in deaths being falsely reported, confirmed cases being falsely reported, and how many extra asymptomatic cases exist amongst the community.

Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Case Fatality Rate (CFR), Infection Fatality Rate (IFR), and Crude Mortality Rate (CMR) latest estimates for the COVID-19 disease from the SARS-CoV-2 virus originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

Fatality Rate based on New York City Actual Cases and Deaths
Worldometer has analyzed the data provided by New York City, the New York State antibody study, and the excess deaths analysis by the CDC. Combining these 3 sources together we can derive the most accurate estimate to date on the mortality rate for COVID-19, as well as the mortality rate by age group and underlying condition. These findings can be valid for New York City and not necessarily for other places (suburban or rural areas, other countries, etc.), but they represent the best estimates to date given the co-occurrence of these 3 studies.

Actual Cases (1.7 million: 10 times the number of confirmed cases)
New York State conducted an antibody testing study [source], showing that 12.3% of the population in the state had COVID-19 antibodies as of May 1, 2020. The survey developed a baseline infection rate by testing 15,103 people at grocery stores and community centers across the state over the preceding two weeks. The study provides a breakdown by county, race (White 7%, Asian 11.1%, multi/none/other 14.4%, Black 17.4%, Latino/Hispanic 25.4%), and age, among other variables. 19.9% of the population of New York City had COVID-19 antibodies. With a population of 8,398,748 people in NYC [source], this percentage would indicate that 1,671,351 people had been infected with SARS-CoV-2 and had recovered as of May 1 in New York City. The number of confirmed cases reported as of May 1 by New York City was 166,883 [source], more than 10 times less.

Actual Deaths (23,000: almost twice the number of confirmed deaths)
As of May 1, New York City reported 13,156 confirmed deaths and 5,126 probable deaths (deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate but no laboratory test performed), for a total of 18,282 deaths [source]. The CDC on May 11 released its "Preliminary Estimate of Excess Mortality During the COVID-19 Outbreak — New York City, March 11–May 2, 2020" [source] in which it calculated an estimate of actual COVID-19 deaths in NYC by analyzing the "excess deaths" (defined as "the number of deaths above expected seasonal baseline levels, regardless of the reported cause of death") and found that, in addition to the confirmed and probable deaths reported by the city, there were an estimated 5,293 more deaths to be attributed. After adjusting for the previous day (May 1), we get 5,148 additional deaths, for a total of actual deaths of 13,156 confirmed + 5,126 probable + 5,148 additional excess deaths calculated by CDC = 23,430 actual COVID-19 deaths as of May 1, 2020 in New York City.

Infection Fatality Rate (23k / 1.7M = 1.4% IFR)
Actual Cases with an outcome as of May 1 = estimated actual recovered (1,671,351) + estimated actual deaths (23,430) = 1,694,781.

Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) = Deaths / Cases = 23,430 / 1,694,781 = 1.4% (1.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 have a fatal outcome, while 98.6% recover).

Mortality Rate (23k / 8.4M = 0.28% CMR to date) and Probability of Dying
As of May 1, 23,430 people are estimated to have died out of a total population of 8,398,748 in New York City. This corresponds to a 0.28% crude mortality rate to date, or 279 deaths per 100,000 population, or 1 death every 358 people. Note that the Crude Mortality Rate will continue to increase as more infections and deaths occur (see notes under the paragraph "Herd Immunity" below for details).

 

[Ghost Patrol]

a backtracking old ninny, that's what we have here

Didn't realise you were that old Les. Any comorbidities?

 

[Les Malone]

Except somewhere between 0.15% (minimum 13,156 lab tested and confirmed COVID-19 deaths) and 0.27% (based on 23,000 total excess deaths) of the actual population in NYC has already died from this. Based on estimates of actual numbers of cases being 10 x higher than the confirmed, that leaves us with a 0.77% - 1.35% range for death if you contract it based on an estimate of total actual cases.

Weirdly enough, Australia is considered amongst the world leaders for testing and case identification, and based on our confirmed numbers we're showing 1.41% of total cases being fatal, and 1.53% of cases with an outcome being fatal. How wrong those figures are obviously depends on your level of conspiracy beliefs in deaths being falsely reported, confirmed cases being falsely reported, and how many extra asymptomatic cases exist amongst the community.

Coronavirus Death Rate (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Case Fatality Rate (CFR), Infection Fatality Rate (IFR), and Crude Mortality Rate (CMR) latest estimates for the COVID-19 disease from the SARS-CoV-2 virus originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

just today .....

Steven Bognar

@Bogs4NY
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NJ changing the way it records deaths in state long-term care facilities ... State says it will now report ONLY lab confirmed deaths ... meaning toll drops from 5,408 to 4,295 Gov Murphy says previous reporting was "apples to oranges"

............

whats that about 20/25 % less deaths ?

and for proof here is the Governor saying it himself.

New Jersey Governor Murphy Coronavirus News Conference

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy (D) held a news conference in Trenton on the state's response to the coronavirus pandemic. Governor Murphy said that while it was no time to "spike footballs," all major indicators were going "in the right direction." In addition, he made several announcements...

www.c-span.org

around the 9.50 mark

do you ever get the feeling they bumped them up to get assistance or alternatively make Trump look bad, but now there is talk of Cuomo sending sick patients to aged care facilities - which he did -they are bumping them down, you can trust nothing in this whole farce.

Its clear NY had worse outcomes but i don't think they are representative of the disease across the board.

 

[owen87]

just today .....
Steven Bognar
@Bogs4NY
·
6h

NJ changing the way it records deaths in state long-term care facilities ... State says it will now report ONLY lab confirmed deaths ... meaning toll drops from 5,408 to 4,295 Gov Murphy says previous reporting was "apples to oranges"

............

whats that about 20/25 % less deaths ?

and for proof here is the Governor saying it himself.

New Jersey Governor Murphy Coronavirus News Conference

New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy (D) held a news conference in Trenton on the state's response to the coronavirus pandemic. Governor Murphy said that while it was no time to "spike footballs," all major indicators were going "in the right direction." In addition, he made several announcements...

www.c-span.org

around the 9.50 mark

do you ever get the feeling they bumped them up to get assistance or alternatively make Trump look bad, but now there is talk of Cuomo sending sick patients to aged care facilities - which he did -they are bumping them down, you can trust nothing in this whole farce.

Its clear NY had worse outcomes but i don't think they are representative of the disease across the board.

So... 0.15% - 0.27% of the population of NYC have died already. 0.15% is confirmed positive tests, 0.27% is all excess deaths. Unless you believe 100% of NYC has had COVID-19 then the actual fatality rate is higher than those figures.

How New Jersey reports their deaths has little to do with how much of the total population of NYC has died.

 

[Les Malone]

So... 0.15% - 0.27% of the population of NYC have died already. 0.15% is confirmed positive tests, 0.27% is all excess deaths. Unless you believe 100% of NYC has had COVID-19 then the actual fatality rate is higher than those figures.

How New Jersey reports their deaths has little to do with how much of the total population of NYC has died.

An article out gives NY a .5 % mortality rate ....

Cuomo: 21.2% of NYC Residents Sampled in Test Had Coronavirus Antibodies

To date, there have been 15,740 deaths in New York State.

www.ny1.com

that number wont go up, it will go down, antibody test are much more reliable a month after the infection, as they take that long to develop and are more easily identifiable, also as per the above link numbers are being revised down.

lastly, just because you test positive and then die doesn't mean you die from covid, this is a very important point you and many others seem to overlook.

 

[owen87]

An article out gives NY a .5 % mortality rate ....

Cuomo: 21.2% of NYC Residents Sampled in Test Had Coronavirus Antibodies

To date, there have been 15,740 deaths in New York State.

www.ny1.com

that number wont go up, it will go down, antibody test are much more reliable a month after the infection, as they take that long to develop and are more easily identifiable, also as per the above link numbers are being revised down.

lastly, just because you test positive and then die doesn't mean you die from covid, this is a very important point you and many others seem to overlook.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that of the ~ 23,000 excess deaths in NYC, the 13,156 lab tested and confirmed as having COVID-19 are also being misreported.

Really only about 4,200 people actually died from coronavirus, the other ~19,000 died from something else that happened to cause excess deaths at the exact same as the outbreak of this particular virus was occurring.

This means only 0.05% of the NYC population has died from coronavirus so it's only half as deadly as the flu, what a farce.

 

[Les Malone]

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that of the ~ 23,000 excess deaths in NYC, the 13,156 lab tested and confirmed as having COVID-19 are also being misreported.

Really only about 4,200 people actually died from coronavirus, the other ~19,000 died from something else that happened to cause excess deaths at the exact same as the outbreak of this particular virus was occurring.

This means only 0.05% of the NYC population has died from coronavirus so it's only half as deadly as the flu, what a farce.

more hysterical rambling ..... keep going

it actually far less deadly for kids and younger people than a seasonal flu

 

[Ghost Patrol]

An article out gives NY a .5 % mortality rate ....

Cuomo: 21.2% of NYC Residents Sampled in Test Had Coronavirus Antibodies

To date, there have been 15,740 deaths in New York State.

www.ny1.com

that number wont go up, it will go down, antibody test are much more reliable a month after the infection, as they take that long to develop and are more easily identifiable, also as per the above link numbers are being revised down.

lastly, just because you test positive and then die doesn't mean you die from covid, this is a very important point you and many others seem to overlook.

Why are you still posting articles from 23 April? NY deaths have doubled since then Les.

Surely you can find some newer articles to support your narrative?

 

[owen87]

more hysterical rambling ..... keep going

it actually far less deadly for kids and younger people than a seasonal flu

Ah yes, hysterical rambling...

The article you posted gives a minimum figure of 0.58% (not 0.5%) based on the confirmed 15,740 deaths on the unconfirmed 2.7m actual cases. Excluding the additional excess actual deaths being around the ~23,000 mark, which actually gives us 0.85% on those estimated 2.7m cases.

Clearly numbers aren't your thing.

 

[kranky al]

in this case politicians and the media have wrecked an economy and of course the hysterical ninnies who buy into it, but in your case you like it, because you get double dole money, you want it to continue, you posted it.

that makes you smart ?.

This is what you are happy to sentence people to les

"Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

 

[HairyO]

Flu doesn't wreck economies Les. This virus is heaps smarter than the flu.

It's starting to make you look dumb.

Does the flu or COVID-19 close borders and shut down businesses and make everyone stay at home?

I thought people did all those things.

 

[Les Malone]

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This is what you are happy to sentence people to les

"Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going out without a mask...

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for Covid-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine. The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley catheter to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line f to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA’s and MA’s to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

then it really begs the question why you have not turned yourself inside out begging and pleading with authorities to shutdown every year for the flu for the thousands of people that die from pneumonia and are ventilated

quite frankly you are absolute hypocrite of the highest order

a brainwashed hysterical old ninny who adds nothing

 

[kranky al]

then it really begs the question why you have not turned yourself inside out begging and pleading with authorities to shutdown every year for the flu for the thousands of people that die from pneumonia and are ventilated

quite frankly you are absolute hypocrite of the highest order

a brainwashed hysterical old ninny who adds nothing

Your idol president trump says flu kills 20-70000 americans each year.

since hes said those words 72 days ago 94000 americans have died of covid.

in 71 days covid has killed more americans than the flu kills in its worst years in 365 days.

 

[Les Malone]

Your idol president trump says flu kills 20-70000 americans each year.

since hes said those words 72 days ago 94000 americans have died of covid.

in 71 days covid has killed more americans than the flu kills in its worst years in 365 days.

the more you post, the more it becomes clear, this is really about you and Trump

you have issues, major ones it appears, covid seems to be the least of your problems

get your TDS looked at

and still not a word on people dying on ventilators from the flu

if you cant blame Trump, then they don't matter it appears

 

[kranky al]

the more you post, the more it becomes clear, this is really about you and Trump

you have issues, major ones it appears, covid seems to be the least of your problems

get your TDS looked at

and still not a word on people dying on ventilators from the flu

if you cant blame Trump, then they don't matter it appears

Id say nice deflection les - but it wasnt - it was a patently obvious deflection.

Just so you understand, i dont argue against you with any hope of changing your mind.

i argue with you because its easy to make what you say look ridiculous to anybody reading. Im arguing so that people reading will see you for the shill you are.

You sit there page after page saying this is no worse than the flu - and im here illustrating that covid has killed 24000 more people in 71 days than the worst ever flu season has in 365 days.

you obviously have no counter to that argument so you waffle on about tds and other red herrings - and thats fine. I knew you would do exactly that - and i also know that anyone reading can see that. That was my plan.

Have a nice day les.