Cotchins form.

[nobulltiger]

This is how it really is

Cotchin is back to normal, great effort but he's never had great disposal efficiency.

The players around him have picked up 100% and there is a lot less reliability on him and lids so it looks like he's out of form.

Cotch is still playing like cotch.

If his "bruise" really affects him that much, why play him. why not have him as sub until he's "100%"

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I heard that he did hyper extend it last night and frankly he did do it. That action with the shape of the tibia is exactly the type of motion you get when you hyper extend your knee.

You heard he hyper extended it last night ?
Or
You heard last night that he hyper extended it weeks ago ?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

This is how it really is

Cotchin is back to normal, great effort but he's never had great disposal efficiency.

The players around him have picked up 100% and there is a lot less reliability on him and lids so it looks like he's out of form.

Cotch is still playing like cotch.

If his "bruise" really affects him that much, why play him. why not have him as sub until he's "100%"

Because Cotchin at 50% is better than the option . He is still getting the opposition best taggers which is releasing others . Is playing his part in getting the job done .

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Thanks doc. Yeah I was fairly sure it was bone bruising just didn't know whether it was opinion or fact. Do you know how long this injury will take until Cotchin is 100%?

No idea on expected recovery time .

 

[tunksy]

bone bruising is iffy with recovery times. playing wouldn't make it recover any quicker

 

[_Wang_]

This is how it really is

Cotchin is back to normal, great effort but he's never had great disposal efficiency.

The players around him have picked up 100% and there is a lot less reliability on him and lids so it looks like he's out of form.

Cotch is still playing like cotch.

If his "bruise" really affects him that much, why play him. why not have him as sub until he's "100%"

Sorry dude I'm calling it.. You clearly have NFI.. Players carry injuries and niggles through entire seasons. It's been explained to you in 3 different ways..

 

[axel2cotch2lids]

I think they may well be managing his loads in the midfield and giving time to other players such as Conca against weaker teams and so if getting tagged for no reason by opposition and giving us a leg up. If you play less in the middle you will get less of it.

That being said .....

I also think his attitude is not quite up to scratch at the moment - lots of one handed stuff when its not needed, seems to pick and choose when he wants to go hard at, maybe the load of the captaincy could be telling a little bit as well.

Seems to be doing lots of media - more than Newy did anyway. Maybe he has got a bit ahead of himself.

Hope he is back to form soon as rounds 15, 16, 17 will shape our season.

 

[mcuzzy]

He's not injured, why do people here try to be so misleading with made up lies

Mate, he has been completely cooked since the Freo game, something isn't right with his legs. Past few games he's slowly been slowing down more and more until last night where he rarely even got into a full sprint.

 

[Harmichael]

Interesting point raised on another board about Cotchin's lower numbers coinciding with Tuck's absence.

I think there may well be some merit in that theory.

 

[AstroboyUK]

its the attack on the ball, and the trademark 'hunt for the ball' second effort that Ive noticed is missing.. that little sprint he'll do after a disposal to either get the ball back or make a tackle.... it was a devastating skill he had, but looks like he doesnt have the accelleration to attempt it at the moment. Definately playing injured: and probably, (given the charachter of the man) is refusing to stop playing. I bet its a big topic of discussion amongs the football department behind clsoed doors.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Interesting point raised on another board about Cotchin's lower numbers coinciding with Tuck's absence.

I think there may well be some merit in that theory.

Purely coincidence.

Tuck's presence doesn't mediate Corchin's pace, sidestep, and ability to win his own contested ball.

Besides, even if he did need an inside player to dish it out to him, Tuck is more of a get ball kick ball 50 metres forward... Shane Edwards is more the type who can bring outside mids into the game with a creative handball

Cotchin needs nobody.

He just needs his health and he'll tear everyone up.

 

[Tigers_fan24]

I absolutely love Cotch!

However, as he knows he's been down, he actually looks sad out there at times.

It's upsetting

Agree with this, I was right up close on the wing at the doggies game, saw him numerous times complaining to the umpire and shaking his head. Just generally looked angry/down. Also in the team song he was pretty stony faced. Poor guy needs a #concacuddle

 

[Schlurp]

Agree with this, I was right up close on the wing at the doggies game, saw him numerous times complaining to the umpire and shaking his head. Just generally looked angry/down. Also in the team song he was pretty stony faced. Poor guy needs a #concacuddle

Maybe a quiet chat to players like Gazza Jr or Juddy who have lived with this all their careers. Cotch is already a member of that elite club who would still be heavily tagged if they ran onto the ground in zimmer frames. It's life so it has to be dealt with. And dealing with it has to be a team thing. I don't doubt that the coaching panel are working on it.

 

[HighFlyer]

bone bruising is iffy with recovery times. playing wouldn't make it recover any quicker

Expect Vlastuin to to be a little sub par for some time now also. A kick to the shins like he got will hang around for some time. Bone bruising can take 6+ months to heal sometimes..

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Difference between the current Cotchin and the 100% fit Cotchin is how stationary he is around stoppages. The way he used to break tags and find room was through being on the move, bursting off the mark and finding the ball, eluding the parasite at his hip. At the moment without that initial pace he's basically a tackle bag and gets literally a millisecond to dispose.

 

[theflea]

You heard he hyper extended it last night ?
Or
You heard last night that he hyper extended it weeks ago ?

Yeah I didn't word it that well. I saw him do the injury and thought he did H/E it and I did hear it on the sat night commentary that he did it also from none other than Doc Larkins. Since i've done multiple knee injuries I know what the action is and the damage it causes.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Missed Larkin saying that and I agree it looked similar to other cases that have caused hyper extension .

 

[tunksy]

Expect Vlastuin to to be a little sub par for some time now also. A kick to the shins like he got will hang around for some time. Bone bruising can take 6+ months to heal sometimes..

yep not ideal. think we should give vlastuin a rest and debut arnot.

 

[Morro]

His form is a serious concern IMO. Not many teams win finals with their best player barely firing a shot. I hope he can get back to his best soon.

 

[Tiger2709]

Seriously if anyone believes he's injured is mental!

Players like cotchin don't get risked!

Rubbish players like Cotchin play injured all the time, just because you have an injury doesn't mean that playing with it will cause it to worsen, if Cotchin is on the ground the opposition have to but a good player on him, so even if Cotch is not doing much himself he is letting some of the other mid fielders have an easier run.

 

[Harmichael]

Purely coincidence.

Tuck's presence doesn't mediate Corchin's pace, sidestep, and ability to win his own contested ball.

Besides, even if he did need an inside player to dish it out to him, Tuck is more of a get ball kick ball 50 metres forward... Shane Edwards is more the type who can bring outside mids into the game with a creative handball

Cotchin needs nobody.

He just needs his health and he'll tear everyone up.

So you don't think the biggest body in our midfield and the best extractor in the team, if not the entire comp helps lighten Cotchin's workload at all or gives him any extra protection?

 

[nobulltiger]

If he's playing there's no excuses

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

So you don't think the biggest body in our midfield and the best extractor in the team, if not the entire comp helps lighten Cotchin's workload at all or gives him any extra protection?

While I appreciate Tuck's value to the team, I don't think he's the type to make Cotchin-type players become better.

I look at Cotchin's game in recent weeks and the problem is with his lateral Movement, agility, and lack of pace. He not suffering from a heavy workload on the inside IMO. He's good enough to be a superstar when surrounded by a below average players, let alone a finals quality team (which we look like ATM).

Plus, Cotchin has dominated without Tuck and Foley... This year the midfield depth is better than ever! And Foley alone makes up for Tuck (when looking at last year's form) since he did have Tuck, but no Foley. Now we swapped them around.

I just think Cotchin is like Ablett and would dominate in any team - he doesn't need tuck at all and it's a coincidence his injury coincided with Tuck's absence.

 

[Bruce Monteath]

If he's playing there's no excuses

Disagree NoBull. I think we'd still play Cotch at 80% fitness provided he is not at risk of exacerbating the injury. Cotch at 80% would be preferable to Petterd or Nahas at 100% any day in my book. This buys Cotch a bit of leeway in his performance.

Not saying this is the case at the moment but I suspect it is along these lines.

 

[nobulltiger]

Once again if he's playing there's no excuses.

There's actually nothing wrong, cotchin is playing like his normal self. It's just that there are half a dozen or more players that have increased the quality and involvement of there football which has less reliance on cotch lids. We are a team playing like a team.

NO EXCUSES